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NiHiLuSsc2
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States50 Posts
March 13 2014 10:17 GMT
#341
one half of our foreign hope is now gone
PBJT
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
March 13 2014 10:28 GMT
#342
While this really saddens me, I can understand him. If he is not enjoying the game anymore, there is no real point in continue to compete, although I hope his passion can be restored at some time, maybe he'll come back after some updates are made. Until then thanks for everything and enjoy your stay in poland.

This also means, that the foreigner crown is waiting for someone to take it for te first time since the pre-Jinro era. Scarlett looked like an undisputed nr.2 for the majority of 2013, but with her recent struggels in WCS NA/ Enders game tournament/ Shoutcraft and also the events of SeatStoryCup, it looks like the euro zergs might have surpassed her. I guess, we'll find out in the next few months.
nigsky
Profile Joined February 2013
United Kingdom114 Posts
March 13 2014 12:08 GMT
#343
How guilty should I feel for being cheerful? The only foreigner at Blizzcon is retiring, explicitly because of bad game design and a complete lack of confidence in the developers. This is terrible PR for Blizzard, and maybe it will give them the kick in the ass they need.

I hope to see Naniwa back in an improved SC2.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1351 Posts
March 13 2014 12:14 GMT
#344
This can´t be true this can´t be true this can´t be true
monchi | IdrA | Flash
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 12:21:09
March 13 2014 12:19 GMT
#345
Johan Lucchesi ‏@NaNiwaSC2

i dont think im alone feeling this about SH + Pvp i guess, but i have 0 faith in blizzard ever changing anything considering the last years.


I think SHs will get some attention , eventually.

*burp*
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 13 2014 12:21 GMT
#346
I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.
Zerg for Life
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46214 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 12:23:35
March 13 2014 12:21 GMT
#347
On March 13 2014 15:38 IAMPRO wrote:
So happy if this is true. Always an unpleasant person, bad loser, basically cheated by watching replays when it was against the rules. Just a thoroughly horrible person that only has fans because he's very good at a game. GL in the real world.

For me, being good at a game doesn't make being a total douche suddenly irrelevent.


I was fortunate enough to meet him a few times and I found him to be a pretty chill guy. Certainly not the most sportsmanlike when it comes to taking a loss, but that's centrally because his goal was always to win (rather than entertain his audience) and if he didn't accomplish that goal, then he saw no reason to even bother faking a smile about it. I liked him for his work ethic and pride as a competitor, not for his behavior. Naniwa was easily one of the hardest working, most focused, and most motivated foreigners (see: Naniwa's time in Korea, Code S) we've ever seen in SC2. He wanted to be the best, and he was certainly the best foreigner for a period of time. And you write him off as just some douchey cheater? What the hell.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
March 13 2014 12:27 GMT
#348
he should watch the code S group that was played yeasterday with parting and rain for pvp . as for swarm host i dont think protoss has an awnser now .
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
nigsky
Profile Joined February 2013
United Kingdom114 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 12:38:36
March 13 2014 12:35 GMT
#349
On March 13 2014 21:21 KelsierSC wrote:
I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.


I doubt this is about balance. Naniwa hates Swarmhosts for the same reason he hates PvP. The games aren't fun, and if you're not having fun as a progamer you should enter the marketplace and get a proper job, which can dull the tedium of work with a good salary and real prospects.

The only people who stay in progaming after they stop enjoying it are people like IdrA, who abandoned school to go pro and got locked in.
5c0rp10n
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany342 Posts
March 13 2014 12:37 GMT
#350
On March 13 2014 21:21 KelsierSC wrote:
I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.

Yeah and then every zerg will whine about protoss all ins...
| NaNiwa | CJ`herO |
nigsky
Profile Joined February 2013
United Kingdom114 Posts
March 13 2014 12:41 GMT
#351
On March 13 2014 21:19 Parcelleus wrote:
Show nested quote +
Johan Lucchesi ‏@NaNiwaSC2

i dont think im alone feeling this about SH + Pvp i guess, but i have 0 faith in blizzard ever changing anything considering the last years.


I think SHs will get some attention , eventually.



The best we can hope for is Blizzard nerfing them to infestor-tier uselessness. The core design is broken and removing it would be an admission of a mistake, which Blizzard won't ever do.
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
March 13 2014 12:42 GMT
#352
David Kim just said that they don't want big modification on SC2 because it will hurt Pro players carrier.

It seems that doing nothing is equally bad.

playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 13:00:25
March 13 2014 12:56 GMT
#353
On March 13 2014 21:42 klup wrote:
David Kim just said that they don't want big modification on SC2 because it will hurt Pro players carrier.

It seems that doing nothing is equally bad.



I guess they shouldn't come out with another expansion since big changes can alter one's career. It's pretty sad when you make such a horrible unit that if LotV was simply HotS minus the swarm host, then it would be a "must buy" or at least way better of a game.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18702 Posts
March 13 2014 13:04 GMT
#354
On March 13 2014 21:41 nigsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 21:19 Parcelleus wrote:
Johan Lucchesi ‏@NaNiwaSC2

i dont think im alone feeling this about SH + Pvp i guess, but i have 0 faith in blizzard ever changing anything considering the last years.


I think SHs will get some attention , eventually.



The best we can hope for is Blizzard nerfing them to infestor-tier uselessness. The core design is broken and removing it would be an admission of a mistake, which Blizzard won't ever do.


zergs cant win games if they lose SH without replacement...
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
March 13 2014 13:28 GMT
#355
On March 13 2014 10:57 lichter wrote:
I hope you find something to do that pisses you off less on a regular basis :D


This kind of comments is why this scene sucks.
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
March 13 2014 13:35 GMT
#356
On March 13 2014 22:28 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 10:57 lichter wrote:
I hope you find something to do that pisses you off less on a regular basis :D


This kind of comments is why this scene sucks.



Really? It's quite good advice actually. Even if it's just a break from the game, it can certainly help. This is why people take week long vacations in 9-5 office life. You absolutely need time for yourself sometimes.
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RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
March 13 2014 13:44 GMT
#357
On March 13 2014 21:35 nigsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 21:21 KelsierSC wrote:
I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.


I doubt this is about balance. Naniwa hates Swarmhosts for the same reason he hates PvP. The games aren't fun, and if you're not having fun as a progamer you should enter the marketplace and get a proper job, which can dull the tedium of work with a good salary and real prospects.

The only people who stay in progaming after they stop enjoying it are people like IdrA, who abandoned school to go pro and got locked in.


Yeah, I agree.

Not trying to trashtalk Idra here (I was sad about him leaving the scene as well), but sticking with playing the game fulltime for so long even though he stated repeatedly that he didn't enjoy is something I wouldn't wish on anyone else.
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
March 13 2014 13:50 GMT
#358
On March 13 2014 21:21 KelsierSC wrote:
I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.


I think the fact that they happen late in games is also part of the problem.

I mean, losing to a random Protoss all-in as Terran is frustrating as hell, but it only takes 10 minutes per game.
Losing to Swarm Hosts isn't just frustating, it's also agonizingly slow. Having to play a really boring game that lasts for 45-90 minutes before it ends in a loss and you can move on to the next one can't work wonders for your practice routine.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
March 13 2014 13:59 GMT
#359
I don't think this has anything to do with balance. It's game design that makes the experience of playing less fun by a certain amount. Win or lose.
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AnonymousSC2
Profile Joined January 2014
United States189 Posts
March 13 2014 14:12 GMT
#360
I read his posts and see a little child who hasn't gotten his way so he's throwing a temper tantrum and covering it with smiley faces. Good bye, not that many will miss you honestly.

OF course, he will be back. This is just him trying to get his way, or attention, or both. He forgot to say what he wanted, though.
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