Through a series of posts in his TeamLiquid fanclub thread, Swedish player NaNiwa has revealed that he will be taking an indefinite break from StarCraft 2. He cited a lack of enjoyment of the game as a reason. Though NaNiwa did not rule out a return, he did not confirm one either.
At present, NaNiwa is still set to compete in the upcoming IEM World Championship tournament, which he qualified for with a second place finish at last year's IEM New York.
On March 13 2014 02:43 Naniwa wrote: Sorry, isnt me. i havent played a single ladder game the last month and a bit more
On March 13 2014 02:52 Naniwa wrote: Sorry, pretty sure i will be . but after that you wont have to worry since i probably wont play any more.
On March 13 2014 03:28 Naniwa wrote: my team gave me a great contract, its not about money for those who wonder. i am taking a break untill i get motivation back but if that doesnt happen then ofcourse i wont continue. i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it. i am tired of complaining about it so instead i just choose this instead
My favorite Swedish player after ThorZaIN stopped competing and Jinro retired. Hope to see NaNi come back but it sounds like he's just not happy with SC2.
I really hope the polish people give him a warm farewell then! He was the only player I really did considere myself a fan of. and the only player who could leave me on the edge of my chair screming at my computer.
Hope he comes back sc2 won't be the same without him..
He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
EDIT: Scarlett belongs on that list, I didn't have her on there because I thought she was stepping back from competitive play.
On March 13 2014 04:22 Yemaka wrote: I really hope the polish people give him a warm farewell then! He was the only player I really did considere myself a fan of. and the only player who could leave me on the edge of my chair screming at my computer.
Hope he comes back sc2 won't be the same without him..
wow, now i realized i'm not going because i'm lazy (were there last year and it was amazing). And i could cheer for him on his last tournament.
if Nani will win i shall kill myself because of wasted opportunity to be there in person...
On March 13 2014 04:16 Meki wrote: " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it."
With this he means Terran being imba vs Protoss?
Think he means Swarm hosts.
But nice subtle balance whine.
It isn't balance whine to hate Swarm Hosts from a fun standpoint.
It's a boring terribly designed unit. Is the game balanced with it? Sure it is for the most part, but I can be completely sympathetic to Naniwa (and this is one of the only times I can see myself saying this) for being sick and tired of having to deal with Swarm Host turtle bull shit on ladder.
Naniwa is totally within his rights here to be unhappy. After dealing with Broodlord/Infestor as a casual player and a spectator I was sick of the game at the end of WoL I can't even imagine how some of the pros felt, it's totally understandable to not want to have a repeat of it.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
On March 13 2014 04:16 Meki wrote: " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it."
With this he means Terran being imba vs Protoss?
Think he means Swarm hosts.
But nice subtle balance whine.
It isn't balance whine to hate Swarm Hosts from a fun standpoint.
It's a boring terribly designed unit. Is the game balanced with it? Sure it is for the most part, but I can be completely sympathetic to Naniwa (and this is one of the only times I can see myself saying this) for being sick and tired of having to deal with Swarm Host turtle bull shit on ladder.
Naniwa is totally within his rights here to be unhappy. After dealing with Broodlord/Infestor as a casual player and a spectator I was sick of the game at the end of WoL I can't even imagine how some of the pros felt, it's totally understandable to not want to have a repeat of it.
He wasn't whining about swarm hosts. If you read his post he says "Terran being imba vs Protoss".
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
You can't draw conclusions based on premier event winnings alone. Foreigner don't win premier events, but that doesn't mean that they are "weak". There are a dozen Korean players that haven't won anything either, but that makes them weak no more than not winning makes Naniwa or anyone on that list weak.
On March 13 2014 04:30 Darkhorse wrote: Off Topic but holy shit has there been a lot of drama/news this past week. NASL, Coca, Naniwa etc. and all on the eve of a super stacked tournament.
NASL, sure, but Coca and Naniwa were a long time coming in my opinion.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
Well, Snute has won a Preimer tournament, and several major tournaments aswell..
On March 13 2014 04:16 Meki wrote: " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it."
With this he means Terran being imba vs Protoss?
Think he means Swarm hosts.
But nice subtle balance whine.
It isn't balance whine to hate Swarm Hosts from a fun standpoint.
It's a boring terribly designed unit. Is the game balanced with it? Sure it is for the most part, but I can be completely sympathetic to Naniwa (and this is one of the only times I can see myself saying this) for being sick and tired of having to deal with Swarm Host turtle bull shit on ladder.
Naniwa is totally within his rights here to be unhappy. After dealing with Broodlord/Infestor as a casual player and a spectator I was sick of the game at the end of WoL I can't even imagine how some of the pros felt, it's totally understandable to not want to have a repeat of it.
He wasn't whining about swarm hosts. If you read his posts he says "Terran being imba vs Protoss".
Doesn't play ladder for months and bitches about Terran being too strong against Protoss?
On March 13 2014 04:16 Meki wrote: " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it."
With this he means Terran being imba vs Protoss?
Think he means Swarm hosts.
But nice subtle balance whine.
It isn't balance whine to hate Swarm Hosts from a fun standpoint.
It's a boring terribly designed unit. Is the game balanced with it? Sure it is for the most part, but I can be completely sympathetic to Naniwa (and this is one of the only times I can see myself saying this) for being sick and tired of having to deal with Swarm Host turtle bull shit on ladder.
Naniwa is totally within his rights here to be unhappy. After dealing with Broodlord/Infestor as a casual player and a spectator I was sick of the game at the end of WoL I can't even imagine how some of the pros felt, it's totally understandable to not want to have a repeat of it.
He wasn't whining about swarm hosts. If you read his posts he says "Terran being imba vs Protoss".
On March 13 2014 04:16 Meki wrote: " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it."
With this he means Terran being imba vs Protoss?
Think he means Swarm hosts.
But nice subtle balance whine.
It isn't balance whine to hate Swarm Hosts from a fun standpoint.
It's a boring terribly designed unit. Is the game balanced with it? Sure it is for the most part, but I can be completely sympathetic to Naniwa (and this is one of the only times I can see myself saying this) for being sick and tired of having to deal with Swarm Host turtle bull shit on ladder.
Naniwa is totally within his rights here to be unhappy. After dealing with Broodlord/Infestor as a casual player and a spectator I was sick of the game at the end of WoL I can't even imagine how some of the pros felt, it's totally understandable to not want to have a repeat of it.
He wasn't whining about swarm hosts. If you read his posts he says "Terran being imba vs Protoss".
On March 13 2014 04:16 Meki wrote: " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it."
With this he means Terran being imba vs Protoss?
Think he means Swarm hosts.
But nice subtle balance whine.
It isn't balance whine to hate Swarm Hosts from a fun standpoint.
It's a boring terribly designed unit. Is the game balanced with it? Sure it is for the most part, but I can be completely sympathetic to Naniwa (and this is one of the only times I can see myself saying this) for being sick and tired of having to deal with Swarm Host turtle bull shit on ladder.
Naniwa is totally within his rights here to be unhappy. After dealing with Broodlord/Infestor as a casual player and a spectator I was sick of the game at the end of WoL I can't even imagine how some of the pros felt, it's totally understandable to not want to have a repeat of it.
He wasn't whining about swarm hosts. If you read his posts he says "Terran being imba vs Protoss".
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
Zelda 2? Dark Siders? Prince of Persia? I got game references for days on this one.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
You can't draw conclusions based on premier event winnings alone. Foreigner don't win premier events, but that doesn't mean that they are "weak". There are a dozen Korean players that haven't won anything either, but that makes them weak no more than not winning makes Naniwa or anyone on that list weak.
What I'm driving at is there really isn't a HuK, Idra, Jinro, Nani, Stephano etc to root for anymore, which sucks because it's boring to people without that story line.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
You can't draw conclusions based on premier event winnings alone. Foreigner don't win premier events, but that doesn't mean that they are "weak". There are a dozen Korean players that haven't won anything either, but that makes them weak no more than not winning makes Naniwa or anyone on that list weak.
What I'm driving at is there really isn't a HuK, Idra, Jinro, Nani, Stephano etc to root for anymore, which sucks because it's boring to people without that story line.
Don't quit on Scarlett so fast she's going back to Korea soon.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
How can CatZ be in that list and not Scarlett ? o_o
Holy cow...it is his choice for darn sure, but I'll be hoping he gets refocused and starts having fun again because he has had some definite hype moments.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
You can't draw conclusions based on premier event winnings alone. Foreigner don't win premier events, but that doesn't mean that they are "weak". There are a dozen Korean players that haven't won anything either, but that makes them weak no more than not winning makes Naniwa or anyone on that list weak.
What I'm driving at is there really isn't a HuK, Idra, Jinro, Nani, Stephano etc to root for anymore, which sucks because it's boring to people without that story line.
HuK, Idra, Nani and Stephano all gradually fell off in terms of results before calling it quits (well, Huk hasn't). Did they get worse or the competition better? No idea, but I don't they would have won stuff today even if they were in their best shapes. The game is tough.
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
Zelda 2? Dark Siders? Prince of Persia? I got game references for days on this one.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
You can't draw conclusions based on premier event winnings alone. Foreigner don't win premier events, but that doesn't mean that they are "weak". There are a dozen Korean players that haven't won anything either, but that makes them weak no more than not winning makes Naniwa or anyone on that list weak.
What I'm driving at is there really isn't a HuK, Idra, Jinro, Nani, Stephano etc to root for anymore, which sucks because it's boring to people without that story line.
People always say story line but I still have no idea what that means.
for some reason, the very good foreigners like to retire(or take a break) t.t hope it doesn't hit scarlett, but i presonally can understand his decision, the game became very very unenjoyable for me as well. sad times, but for now let's see which foreigner will rise next.
In any case, Naniwa has always been a player with a lot of out of game distractions, I guess they finally got too much for him (plus his general frustration against Swarm Hosts / infinite Zerg armies, which have really backfired in terms of Blizzard's vision for the unit being to *break* turtles).
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
You can't draw conclusions based on premier event winnings alone. Foreigner don't win premier events, but that doesn't mean that they are "weak". There are a dozen Korean players that haven't won anything either, but that makes them weak no more than not winning makes Naniwa or anyone on that list weak.
What I'm driving at is there really isn't a HuK, Idra, Jinro, Nani, Stephano etc to root for anymore, which sucks because it's boring to people without that story line.
People always say story line but I still have no idea what that means.
I root for aLive I am told that he is the opposite of a story line. So I guess a story line = Squirtle?
I don't like this, is like a soccer player, dunno, let's say Piqué (player frome Spain), he's not the best but he's good, he will never quit playing soccer, i find this decision chilsdish and inmature.
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
Zelda 2? Dark Siders? Prince of Persia? I got game references for days on this one.
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
Zelda 2? Dark Siders? Prince of Persia? I got game references for days on this one.
Naniwa go to the water temple and fight yourself.
Water temple confirmed worse than swarm hosts.
As an avid hater of the Water Temple I strongly disagree. Swarm Hosts are worse.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
You can't draw conclusions based on premier event winnings alone. Foreigner don't win premier events, but that doesn't mean that they are "weak". There are a dozen Korean players that haven't won anything either, but that makes them weak no more than not winning makes Naniwa or anyone on that list weak.
What I'm driving at is there really isn't a HuK, Idra, Jinro, Nani, Stephano etc to root for anymore, which sucks because it's boring to people without that story line.
People always say story line but I still have no idea what that means.
I root for aLive I am told that he is the opposite of a story line. So I guess a story line = Squirtle?
Squirtle is Kira. Too bad his schemes didn't work out.
On March 13 2014 04:38 goxtisc wrote: I don't like this, is like a soccer player, dunno, let's say Piqué (player frome Spain), he's not the best but he's good, he will never quit playing soccer, i find this decision chilsdish and inmature.
I'm pretty sure Gerard Piqué earns a little more money than NaNiwa (+ Shakira).
On March 13 2014 04:38 goxtisc wrote: I don't like this, is like a soccer player, dunno, let's say Piqué (player frome Spain), he's not the best but he's good, he will never quit playing soccer, i find this decision chilsdish and inmature.
I don't think it is childish and immature to try to find something to do that you actually enjoy...
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
Zelda 2? Dark Siders? Prince of Persia? I got game references for days on this one.
Naniwa go to the water temple and fight yourself.
Water temple confirmed worse than swarm hosts.
As an avid hater of the Water Temple I strongly disagree. Swarm Hosts are worse.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
That's a really weak list in terms of premier event winnings.
You can't draw conclusions based on premier event winnings alone. Foreigner don't win premier events, but that doesn't mean that they are "weak". There are a dozen Korean players that haven't won anything either, but that makes them weak no more than not winning makes Naniwa or anyone on that list weak.
What I'm driving at is there really isn't a HuK, Idra, Jinro, Nani, Stephano etc to root for anymore, which sucks because it's boring to people without that story line.
People always say story line but I still have no idea what that means.
It means that players I don't like are inherently uninteresting because I don't like them
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
How can CatZ be in that list and not Scarlett ? o_o
Mostly because I thought Scarlett was inactive/stepping back for now?? Am I wrong? I mean, Scarlett is an amazing player, but I thought she wasn't going to be competing as seriously anymore.
On March 13 2014 04:38 goxtisc wrote: I don't like this, is like a soccer player, dunno, let's say Piqué (player frome Spain), he's not the best but he's good, he will never quit playing soccer, i find this decision chilsdish and inmature.
Piqué enjoys playing football. That's the difference, and a very important one. If your desire to win is outweighed by your dislike for the game you play, you can never succeed or grow as a player. You can't force the kind of passion required to improve at Naniwa's (or, well, I guess Piqué's) level unless you already have a substantial amount of passion for what you do. If Naniwa has none, then taking a break to regain that passion is necessary and the correct move to make.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
How can CatZ be in that list and not Scarlett ? o_o
Mostly because I thought Scarlett was inactive/stepping back for now?? Am I wrong? I mean, Scarlett is an amazing player, but I thought she wasn't going to be competing as seriously anymore.
Nope! She is going back to Korea and will be playing full time! Don't blame you for not knowing that though. + Show Spoiler +
On March 05 2014 22:03 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Hello everyone~ Just wanted to give you a quick update since I've been pretty quiet lately on twitter/etc
First; I wanted to apologize for my performance over the last couple months.. Since ASUS in december I haven't really been focused on my play, but I should be back to my usual self from here on..
I'm gonna be flying to Korea on the 22nd to stay there for awhile (5-6 months minimum); and after I'm settled I'll start streaming somewhat regularily (few times a week or more)
If any of you want to ask me something or just send me a message, you can PM me here on TL and I usually read&respond to everything
Don't have any LANs planned at the moment.. I'll play the qualifiers of MLG and for next season of IEM whenever that starts up; but this year I'll mainly be staying in Korea and streaming/etc
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
How can CatZ be in that list and not Scarlett ? o_o
Mostly because I thought Scarlett was inactive/stepping back for now?? Am I wrong? I mean, Scarlett is an amazing player, but I thought she wasn't going to be competing as seriously anymore.
She's going to Korea. Not much reason to go there except to player Koreans or get hair advice from Wolf.
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
Zelda 2? Dark Siders? Prince of Persia? I got game references for days on this one.
Naniwa go to the water temple and fight yourself.
Water temple confirmed worse than swarm hosts.
As an avid hater of the Water Temple I strongly disagree. Swarm Hosts are worse.
Lies. You can kill swarm hosts. The water temple still stands after you beat the boss. Taunting you. Nothing is worse than the water temple.
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
Zelda 2? Dark Siders? Prince of Persia? I got game references for days on this one.
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
How can CatZ be in that list and not Scarlett ? o_o
Mostly because I thought Scarlett was inactive/stepping back for now?? Am I wrong? I mean, Scarlett is an amazing player, but I thought she wasn't going to be competing as seriously anymore.
EDIT: Also, I am a huge, unashamed CatZ fanboy
She's going to Korea in two weeks. And I don't think it's to eat bbq. :D
On March 13 2014 04:25 DinosaurJones wrote: He's a good player, but I'm not that upset about it. It's his choice, he can do what he wants.
In terms of foreign hope... well, Bunny and TLO are doing great right now. Snute too! And there are always a host of other decent foreigners who can step their game up when needed... Grubby, Suppy, CatZ, Xeno, Dayshi...
We will survive! And all the best to Nani!
How can CatZ be in that list and not Scarlett ? o_o
Mostly because I thought Scarlett was inactive/stepping back for now?? Am I wrong? I mean, Scarlett is an amazing player, but I thought she wasn't going to be competing as seriously anymore.
She's going to Korea. Not much reason to go there except to player Koreans or get hair advice from Wolf.
Would not blame her for a second if it was the latter
On March 13 2014 04:45 TXRaunchy wrote: when you play to win and rage when you lose, you lose motivation.
play for fun. that's the point of the game.
Playing to win and raging when you lose does not mean you cannot have fun when you play. Playing and competing are different things. It's fine to hate losing like the plague when you're in a competitive setting as long as you enjoy playing when you're not. I would even say that doing everything not to lose is key in becoming the best, which has always been Naniwa's ultimate goal.
Well, I can feel with him. Toss and Mech made me quit sc2 as well (master league). I don't even think Blizzard will fix this, the casual scene is what they are pointing at, and even though they state they care about esports, its still all about selling the game, not about keeping the game interesting for those who already bought it.
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
Zelda 2? Dark Siders? Prince of Persia? I got game references for days on this one.
Naniwa go to the water temple and fight yourself.
Water temple confirmed worse than swarm hosts.
As an avid hater of the Water Temple I strongly disagree. Swarm Hosts are worse.
Lies. You can kill swarm hosts. The water temple still stands after you beat the boss. Taunting you. Nothing is worse than the water temple.
You only have to complete the Water Temple once, and as terrible as that one time is once it is over it is over.
Swarm Hosts however are inescapable, they keep returning to torment you.
Also the Water Temple had a redeeming quality, Dark Link is cool as fuck. Swarm Hosts have no redeeming quality.
On March 13 2014 04:26 Plansix wrote: Will be back. Nani's greatest enemy is himself. He has to go on a spirit quest to fight shadow Nani and regain his power.
I think you have the wrong game. This is SC2 not Final Fantasy 4.
Zelda 2? Dark Siders? Prince of Persia? I got game references for days on this one.
Naniwa go to the water temple and fight yourself.
Water temple confirmed worse than swarm hosts.
As an avid hater of the Water Temple I strongly disagree. Swarm Hosts are worse.
Lies. You can kill swarm hosts. The water temple still stands after you beat the boss. Taunting you. Nothing is worse than the water temple.
You only have to complete the Water Temple once, and as terrible as that one time is once it is over it is over.
Swarm Hosts however are inescapable, they keep returning to torment you.
Also the Water Temple had a redeeming quality, Dark Link is cool as fuck. Swarm Hosts have no redeeming quality.
Two years ago, I began watching SC2 and watched every single major tournament. Since then, I've been watching less and less. The last year or so, I only watched Naniwa playing and now it feels like I won't watch anything.
Not sure how I feel about this. not a Nani fan necessarily for a variety of reasons. Still I can understand why he has such a passionate following. On the one hand I think it's a little silly to play a game you don't even enjoy. On the other hand he is a whiner and this seems like a bit of a cop out. But if you're not having fun what can you do? Best of luck Nani
On the birthday of HOTS I hear the most saddening news yet. Hath the world no mercy?!
This is harder to take then bisu or Kiwikaki leaving for me, Nani was my main source of motivation and excitement in SC
I knew if anyone would re-kindle my love for Starcraft it would be him. If MC retires I am going back to real life, this barrage of announcements is just depressing
I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
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Honestly, this is great news in my opinion. I dislike the guy pretty thoroughly and would love to have him out of the scene. The way he quit may be a bit unprofessional, but coupling the hiatus announcement with the reasoning that the game (presumably the Swarm Host, specifically) wasn't even fun to play right now brings even more attention to the need to fix problematic areas of the game. If Naniwa quits permanently and nothing changes, I'll be satisfied. If Naniwa quits, the Swarm Host is fixed, and Naniwa returns, I'll be very happy. If Naniwa quits permanently, but the Swarm Host is still changed, I'll be positively ecstatic.
My only hope is that he shows up and puts effort into his matches at IEM. We've all seen a naniwa who doesn't care before and I for one would hate to see him phone in his games and pull another Probe fiasco.
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Honestly, this is great news in my opinion. I dislike the guy pretty thoroughly and would love to have him out of the scene. The way he quit may be a bit unprofessional, but coupling the hiatus announcement with the reasoning that the game (presumably the Swarm Host, specifically) wasn't even fun to play right now brings even more attention to the need to fix problematic areas of the game. If Naniwa quits permanently and nothing changes, I'll be satisfied. If Naniwa quits, the Swarm Host is fixed, and Naniwa returns, I'll be very happy. If Naniwa quits permanently, but the Swarm Host is still changed, I'll be positively ecstatic.
On March 13 2014 04:56 ElMeanYo wrote: I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
Congratulations on not understanding how sports work.
On March 13 2014 04:56 ElMeanYo wrote: I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
You can't compare casual work and playing on competitive level. If you can't contribute every part of yourself - you will fail. If you fail - then what's reason to play? Same in sports. Bunch of soccer players retire because they don't have motivation/they reached everything/they can't play because they have too many injuries/etc. Naniwa was always vocal about his target that he wants to be the best. He was trying harder than every foreigner and not little amount of Koreans. But when you don't like the game, you can't contribute every part of yourself. He doesn't want to fail.
I hope, you will return stronger, NaNi. Just to make haters silent. <3 Thank you for all.
A shit this is sad... losing the best foreigner and the swedish starcraft scene is semi collapsing at the same time. Jinro, Thorzain and now Naniwa. Dont even know how is the best swede now, Zanster? Sigh...
On March 13 2014 05:02 4ZakeN87 wrote: A shit this is sad... losing the best foreigner and the swedish starcraft scene is semi collapsing at the same time. Jinro, Thorzain and now Naniwa. Dont even know how is the best swede now, Zanster? Sigh...
On March 13 2014 05:02 4ZakeN87 wrote: A shit this is sad... losing the best foreigner and the swedish starcraft scene is semi collapsing at the same time. Jinro, Thorzain and now Naniwa. Dont even know how is the best swede now, Zanster? Sigh...
On March 13 2014 04:56 ElMeanYo wrote: I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
Congratulations on not understanding how sports work.
I understand perfectly how sports contracts work. I can't abide these spoiled brats who sign for millions and coast along with minimal effort. Even if injured a player should NOT be paid IMO, all the more motivation for them to rehab and get back in shape.
But Nani doesn't have an injury excuse. He's just raking in his teams money. No streaming, likely to get bounced in first round of IEM. I'm sure his team feels as though they've gotten their moneys worth. /sarcasm
On March 13 2014 05:02 4ZakeN87 wrote: A shit this is sad... losing the best foreigner and the swedish starcraft scene is semi collapsing at the same time. Jinro, Thorzain and now Naniwa. Dont even know how is the best swede now, Zanster? Sigh...
Sase or Sortof maybe? I don't really know.
Miniraiser/SortOf/SaSe, other are way behind.
Zanster is highest in aligulac after Naniwa though... well my point is that the swedish SC2 scene is nothing compared to what it was in the past... we used to have several top 3 contenders in tournaments. Now we are lucky to get past round 32
On March 13 2014 05:07 sharkie wrote: this will cost IEM a few viewers
On the contrary I think "Come see Naniwa's last SC2 event!" will be a viewership draw. However it is likely he goes out really early which will hurt viewer counts.
Never been a big fan of his, for a few reasons, but I sympathize with him here, and he's hardly alone in his sense of frustration and disenchantment.
He might come back but I strongly doubt it. Not much of a future as an SC2 pro gamer past a certain age and there are far better things to do if the fiery passion isn't there.
On March 13 2014 04:56 ElMeanYo wrote: I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
Congratulations on not understanding how sports work.
I understand perfectly how sports contracts work. I can't abide these spoiled brats who sign for millions and coast along with minimal effort. Even if injured a player should NOT be paid IMO, all the more motivation for them to rehab and get back in shape.
But Nani doesn't have an injury excuse. He's just raking in his teams money. No streaming, likely to get bounced in first round of IEM. I'm sure his team feels as though they've gotten their moneys worth. /sarcasm
"Even if injured a player should NOT be paid IMO, all the more motivation for them to rehab and get back in shape." This is beyond stupid for a number of reasons but not really something that needs to be discussed here.
Naniwa also just decided to quit and not accept a new contract from his team so he isn't going to be raking in any more money. I'm sure EGAlliance is happy with what Naniwa did while on their team.
On March 13 2014 05:07 sharkie wrote: this will cost IEM a few viewers
On the contrary I think "Come see Naniwa's last SC2 event!" will be a viewership draw. However it is likely he goes out really early which will hurt viewer counts.
Which is dumb, with so many amazing players there, but sadly true
Might be bad for the "foreigner" scene, but I don't really care about this. He was a pretty good player from time to time though. Return and play the game, otherwise stay away from it. It's as simple as that. I wonder if he sets his eyes on another game or considers taking on work/study.
Do not like Naniwa at all, because i don´t like his bad manner. Hes one of the most skilled foreigners and its sad to loose one of those, but just from the perspective of his behaviour i am not sad about it. Hope he finds his way and maybe comes back.
Well, if he's taking a break I can respect that, but I'll be super bummed if he quits. He's never been close to my favorite player but I've always respected his ability.
On March 13 2014 04:56 ElMeanYo wrote: I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
Congratulations on not understanding how sports work.
I understand perfectly how sports contracts work. I can't abide these spoiled brats who sign for millions and coast along with minimal effort. Even if injured a player should NOT be paid IMO, all the more motivation for them to rehab and get back in shape.
But Nani doesn't have an injury excuse. He's just raking in his teams money. No streaming, likely to get bounced in first round of IEM. I'm sure his team feels as though they've gotten their moneys worth. /sarcasm
You do understand most athletes are paid for their advertising value, and not so much for their performance, right? Besides, there is no comparing sports athletes to e-sports "athletes", as the two industries are worlds apart.
At the end of the day, it's a game. If he doesn't enjoy it, he should feel free to stop. It's not a career, it's not a life-long contract nor is it a commitment, it's simply entertainment brought to a professional level. If he were a caster it would be different, as that is an actual job which does come with responsibilities, but in the end, if you don't enjoy something, you should be free to rid yourself of it if you can afford it, even it if is a job.
On March 13 2014 04:56 ElMeanYo wrote: I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
Congratulations on not understanding how sports work.
I understand perfectly how sports contracts work. I can't abide these spoiled brats who sign for millions and coast along with minimal effort. Even if injured a player should NOT be paid IMO, all the more motivation for them to rehab and get back in shape.
But Nani doesn't have an injury excuse. He's just raking in his teams money. No streaming, likely to get bounced in first round of IEM. I'm sure his team feels as though they've gotten their moneys worth. /sarcasm
You would do well to presume less.
On March 13 2014 03:28 Naniwa wrote: my team gave me a great contract, its not about money for those who wonder. i am taking a break untill i get motivation back but if that doesnt happen then ofcourse i wont continue. i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it. i am tired of complaining about it so instead i just choose this instead
A few things to note:
Nani most certainly did not sign "for millions", and the idea that there are salaries in the millions in Starcraft is ridiculous.
You assume that Nani just up and left saying "I won't work any more", but you have no way of knowing what went down behind closed doors. Besides, the above post seems to indicate that Alliance is fine with Naniwa's decision, or they would not have agreed to the terms.
You can pay a player billions, but the player isn't actually passionate enough to dedicate everything to performing and improving, there is nothing money alone can do. You may think that Naniwa could just "get off his lazy ass and get back to work", and he could, but he would not perform. Few can under such conditions, and a player like Naniwa, notorious for being emotional? Never.
Of course, you can say what you want about Naniwa and contracts and sports and whatever you think you may be an authority on, but I'm reasonably confident that Naniwa would not quit (even temporarily) unless there is no motivation for him to muster. He wants to perform, and if he knows he can't then he won't play. It's likely that Alliance and Naniwa are on the same page on this matter, or he would have left Alliance first.
The idea that injured athletes shouldn't be paid is beyond ridiculous, though. If you're not being paid well, how do you suppose they will pay for treatment? Pull money out of their kneecaps?
On March 13 2014 05:15 trada wrote: I wonder what he is doing instead of SC2 then. Is he just chillin for now or does he play any other games? go to school maybe like thorzain?
Interesting question... hearing him talk about his early gaming career does put a question mark around what grades he has. As far as I understood he more or less dropped everything to pursue gaming.
On March 13 2014 04:56 ElMeanYo wrote: I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
Congratulations on not understanding how sports work.
I understand perfectly how sports contracts work. I can't abide these spoiled brats who sign for millions and coast along with minimal effort. Even if injured a player should NOT be paid IMO, all the more motivation for them to rehab and get back in shape.
But Nani doesn't have an injury excuse. He's just raking in his teams money. No streaming, likely to get bounced in first round of IEM. I'm sure his team feels as though they've gotten their moneys worth. /sarcasm
Spoiled brat? Wow. He has been the top foreigner for a long time, and has shown a lot of dedication. Just because he is taking a break doesn't undo all the hard work he has done.
Also, saying an injured player shouldn't get paid is completely asinine. People have to pay bills, dude.
On March 13 2014 05:15 trada wrote: I wonder what he is doing instead of SC2 then. Is he just chillin for now or does he play any other games? go to school maybe like thorzain?
Interesting question... hearing him talk about his early gaming career does put a question mark around what grades he has. As far as I understood he more or less dropped everything to pursue gaming.
Fortunately for us Swedes, the doors don't really close even if you don't attend high school. I imagine if Naniwa wants to, he'll be more than capable of getting an education.
On March 13 2014 05:15 trada wrote: I wonder what he is doing instead of SC2 then. Is he just chillin for now or does he play any other games? go to school maybe like thorzain?
Interesting question... hearing him talk about his early gaming career does put a question mark around what grades he has. As far as I understood he more or less dropped everything to pursue gaming.
Fortunately for us Swedes, the doors don't really close even if you don't attend high school. I imagine if Naniwa wants to, he'll be more than capable of getting an education.
On March 13 2014 04:56 ElMeanYo wrote: I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
Congratulations on not understanding how sports work.
Well, even in the sports world, players just taking time off for non-injury reasons are generally not accepted. Lamar Odom's weird stint with the Dallas Mavericks being a prime example with people trashing him left and right. To a lesser extend Royce White's conflicts over his mental issues weren't accepted either.
Oh, I remember the flareup over Barry Sanders retiring too. He was still under contract and still a great player with no injury concerns. People just couldn't accept that being on a crappy team just wore on him so much that he'd rather quit than stay with the Lions lol.
Then again, if Naniwa's not even on a team at the moment (I'm not up to date), then he's free to not join a team and not play. That's pretty common in the sports world (bunch of players never even bother announcing a retirement when they can't find a new team).
On March 13 2014 05:15 trada wrote: I wonder what he is doing instead of SC2 then. Is he just chillin for now or does he play any other games? go to school maybe like thorzain?
Interesting question... hearing him talk about his early gaming career does put a question mark around what grades he has. As far as I understood he more or less dropped everything to pursue gaming.
Fortunately for us Swedes, the doors don't really close even if you don't attend high school. I imagine if Naniwa wants to, he'll be more than capable of getting an education.
As far as I know NaNiwa have finished high school(Gymnasiet)
On March 13 2014 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote: I love how people think that Naniwa gets paid a lot
SC2 community has a rampant lack of understanding of what money goes where in this scene.
I love how no one tells the community how much people get paid.
It's an interesting argument for transparency in that area. Those kinds of things are easily viewable for traditional sports but of course esports is different.
On March 13 2014 05:15 trada wrote: I wonder what he is doing instead of SC2 then. Is he just chillin for now or does he play any other games? go to school maybe like thorzain?
Interesting question... hearing him talk about his early gaming career does put a question mark around what grades he has. As far as I understood he more or less dropped everything to pursue gaming.
Fortunately for us Swedes, the doors don't really close even if you don't attend high school. I imagine if Naniwa wants to, he'll be more than capable of getting an education.
On March 13 2014 04:56 ElMeanYo wrote: I can't stand this guy. He's being paid good money to play a freaking game and bring eyeballs to his teams sponsors.
If I suddenly one day told my boss I i wasn't working anymore until 'i got my motivation back', not only would I not have a job the next day, but my professional reputation would be on thin ice.
Naniwa get your lazy ass out there and back to work.
Congratulations on not understanding how sports work.
I understand perfectly how sports contracts work. I can't abide these spoiled brats who sign for millions and coast along with minimal effort. Even if injured a player should NOT be paid IMO, all the more motivation for them to rehab and get back in shape.
But Nani doesn't have an injury excuse. He's just raking in his teams money. No streaming, likely to get bounced in first round of IEM. I'm sure his team feels as though they've gotten their moneys worth. /sarcasm
Wow what an asshole. People who are injured while at work, aka, whole playing sports, should get paid. Anything less is not ok. Do you think people will play harder if they know if they get injured they won't get a dime? Why would they risk that?
You might want to think a little more before you type stuff like that.
On March 13 2014 05:15 trada wrote: I wonder what he is doing instead of SC2 then. Is he just chillin for now or does he play any other games? go to school maybe like thorzain?
Interesting question... hearing him talk about his early gaming career does put a question mark around what grades he has. As far as I understood he more or less dropped everything to pursue gaming.
Fortunately for us Swedes, the doors don't really close even if you don't attend high school. I imagine if Naniwa wants to, he'll be more than capable of getting an education.
As far as I know NaNiwa have finished high school(Gymnasiet)
I think so as well, I was just illustrating how practical the Swedish educational system is for people who dropped out of school or didn't perform too well.
On March 13 2014 05:13 lantz wrote: just sell yourself out and be a streamer.
you will get many views because you are a top foreigner.. and you may enjoy interacting with viewers and gain a passion for the game again
He was never playing for money or trying to showcase how good is he. He only wanted to be the best and show his fans what they deserve. And when he failed, he was coming back stronger.
And imagine this session of streaming if he gets to play 5 hours of swarm host turtling? Hell, i bet, he will leave the game instead of wasting time of viewers and himself. And that's worst feeling in game, when you know how to deal with it, but you just don't want to.
could it be that he is just doing a sneaky maneuver to make everyone think he suks, then he shows his true mad skills because he's been practising like crazy for the last month or so? i mean, he is a poker player, isnt he?
On March 13 2014 05:34 khmerrouge wrote: could it be that he is just doing a sneaky maneuver to make everyone think he suks, then he shows his true mad skills because he's been practising like crazy for the last month or so? i mean, he is a poker player, isnt he?
Unlikely. Apparently he hasn't laddered for a month or more.
I'm sure that he's met a lot of people and can find an opportunity. Patrick Chapin said the same thing about being a pro-MTG player. Going to all of those events and meeting all those people can give someone work opportunities.
Never been a fan of Nani (playstyle and personality), but it still makes me sad to see one of the best foreigners to ever play Sc2 take a break. I hope he gets back when he feels like it.
naniwa stop being like idra. yeah you might not like your job, (its a job yo,) but you have literally thousands of fans who want to cheer for you, so keep your head up and stuff.
Some nerds honestly should never use sports metaphors ugh its literally painful. No i am serious my eyes sting.
Its like the 26 year old NFL player who retired recently, Mendenhall I think it was and people were also shocked and appalled but he had realistic reasons, he saw what the game does to your body and he didn't want his brain to be mush or legs/back to give him pain all his life. To him his peace was worth millions.
Naniwa is probably asking himself is the grind worth the opportunity cost of doing things you love instead and the haters, as a Protoss going through the maddening frustration of dealing with Swarm Host just made the game not worth it, also the ridiculous clicking and work just to win in these free unit says maybe gives him wrist soreness and fatigue. Some things aren't worth it.
He didn't 'quit' y'all Naniwa just needs a break and if he wants to wait for a new unit or nerfed SH then I think he should be able to do whats best for his body and mind.
On March 13 2014 05:34 khmerrouge wrote: could it be that he is just doing a sneaky maneuver to make everyone think he suks, then he shows his true mad skills because he's been practising like crazy for the last month or so? i mean, he is a poker player, isnt he?
Unlikely. Apparently he hasn't laddered for a month or more.
I´ve thought about that as well ... but it would not make sense at all. I mean what would be his benefits? The other players are practicing no matter if he´s participating or not. And it´s unlikely that someone is checking his BOs. Plus his aversion to SHs is absolutely credible. We´ll see what happens next...
On March 13 2014 05:40 Roswell wrote: naniwa stop being like idra. yeah you might not like your job, (its a job yo,) but you have literally thousands of fans who want to cheer for you, so keep your head up and stuff.
"If you don't like your job you should just put your head down and keep doing it and not try to find something you enjoy" - this doesn't sound like good life advance.
Also "It's not what you want that matters it is what other people want" referring to your comment about the fans.
On March 13 2014 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote: I love how people think that Naniwa gets paid a lot
SC2 community has a rampant lack of understanding of what money goes where in this scene.
It might have a rampant lack of understanding where the money goes because no one in the scene wants to talk about this information, don't you think?
This isn't even only regarding the money, it's basically impossible to know what goes on in the scene unless you are already in it, since very few people are open on how things work.
I'm not even saying we need to know (I certainly don't need to know what Naniwa gets payed, for example, I don't really care), but I don't understand the whole "you're so stupid for being wrong I'm not even going to bother correcting you other than pointing and laughing, because you clearly don't understand"-thing. What good does that do?
On March 13 2014 05:40 Roswell wrote: naniwa stop being like idra. yeah you might not like your job, (its a job yo,) but you have literally thousands of fans who want to cheer for you, so keep your head up and stuff.
"Nani this is not 'Nam, this is proffesional starcraft. There are RULES!"
On March 13 2014 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote: I love how people think that Naniwa gets paid a lot
SC2 community has a rampant lack of understanding of what money goes where in this scene.
It might have a rampant lack of understanding where the money goes because no one in the scene wants to talk about this information, don't you think?
This isn't even only regarding the money, it's basically impossible to know what goes on in the scene unless you are already in it, since very few people are open on how things work.
I'm not even saying we need to know (I certainly don't need to know what Naniwa gets payed, for example, I don't really care), but I don't understand the whole "you're so stupid for being wrong I'm not even going to bother correcting you other than pointing and laughing, because you clearly don't understand"-thing. What good does that do?
TB has a point when he says that people don't understand about where the money goes. I see a lot of people saying "Well no one tells us the monetary situations of esports teams so how are we supposed to know?" which is true but then people try to make points with assumptions on financial situations that they know nothing about, so I can kind of see TB's frustration with that.
On March 13 2014 05:40 Roswell wrote: naniwa stop being like idra. yeah you might not like your job, (its a job yo,) but you have literally thousands of fans who want to cheer for you, so keep your head up and stuff.
If it's a job that he doesn't enjoy, why should he weigh his fans' feelings over his own? He provides entertainment and competition, and there will still be strong foreign players without him.
On March 13 2014 05:12 Darkhorse wrote: Naniwa also just decided to quit and not accept a new contract from his team so he isn't going to be raking in any more money. I'm sure EGAlliance is happy with what Naniwa did while on their team.
Yea but I'll bet hes not giving that money back that he 'earned' while 'finding his motivation'. I don't know the details of his contract but I would assume he would have some duties that would involve streaming or earning his keep somehow. Apparently he hasn't played a single ladder game in a month.
On March 13 2014 05:12 Darkhorse wrote: Naniwa also just decided to quit and not accept a new contract from his team so he isn't going to be raking in any more money. I'm sure EGAlliance is happy with what Naniwa did while on their team.
Yea but I'll bet hes not giving that money back that he 'earned' while 'finding his motivation'. I don't know the details of his contract but I would assume he would have some duties that would involve streaming or earning his keep somehow. Apparently he hasn't played a single ladder game in a month.
If he did breach his contract at all he is legally obligated to return the money actually if Alliance chose to go that route. However, Naniwa hasn't streamed much during his entire tenure on Alliance and I'm guessing he didn't actually breach his contract at all. So Naniwa probably didn't really do anything wrong even though he took a break.
On March 13 2014 05:40 Roswell wrote: naniwa stop being like idra. yeah you might not like your job, (its a job yo,) but you have literally thousands of fans who want to cheer for you, so keep your head up and stuff.
If it's a job that he doesn't enjoy, why should he weigh his fans' feelings over his own? He provides entertainment and competition, and there will still be strong foreign players without him.
because that is was what i implied. nice. i get it if hes burnt out and doesnt want to play anymore. but only he knows what he wants so well just have to follow his lead.
On March 13 2014 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote: I love how people think that Naniwa gets paid a lot
SC2 community has a rampant lack of understanding of what money goes where in this scene.
It might have a rampant lack of understanding where the money goes because no one in the scene wants to talk about this information, don't you think?
This isn't even only regarding the money, it's basically impossible to know what goes on in the scene unless you are already in it, since very few people are open on how things work.
I'm not even saying we need to know (I certainly don't need to know what Naniwa gets payed, for example, I don't really care), but I don't understand the whole "you're so stupid for being wrong I'm not even going to bother correcting you other than pointing and laughing, because you clearly don't understand"-thing. What good does that do?
TB has a point when he says that people don't understand about where the money goes. I see a lot of people saying "Well no one tells us the monetary situations of esports teams so how are we supposed to know?" which is true but then people try to make points with assumptions on financial situations that they know nothing about, so I can kind of see TB's frustration with that.
Sure, I can understand that as well, and of course there are some completely unrealistic assumptions. But when there is no information to go on at all (except some rumors about the top paid players), of course all people can do is speculate. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
On March 13 2014 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote: I love how people think that Naniwa gets paid a lot
SC2 community has a rampant lack of understanding of what money goes where in this scene.
It might have a rampant lack of understanding where the money goes because no one in the scene wants to talk about this information, don't you think?
This isn't even only regarding the money, it's basically impossible to know what goes on in the scene unless you are already in it, since very few people are open on how things work.
I'm not even saying we need to know (I certainly don't need to know what Naniwa gets payed, for example, I don't really care), but I don't understand the whole "you're so stupid for being wrong I'm not even going to bother correcting you other than pointing and laughing, because you clearly don't understand"-thing. What good does that do?
TB has a point when he says that people don't understand about where the money goes. I see a lot of people saying "Well no one tells us the monetary situations of esports teams so how are we supposed to know?" which is true but then people try to make points with assumptions on financial situations that they know nothing about, so I can kind of see TB's frustration with that.
Sure, I can understand that as well, and of course there are some completely unrealistic assumptions. But when there is no information to go on at all (except some rumors about the top paid players), of course all people can do is speculate. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
The fact the industry is still in it's infancy (calm down BW folks) in terms on foreign teams, etc, it seems doubtful a standard has been set for the financials of an esports team. One team might pay 2x what the other team does, but no one wants to share information like that because teams don't want to get embarrassed by not having enough to match some other teams salary.
As you said, it's pure speculation, but it's fun to guess
On March 13 2014 06:09 radscorpion9 wrote: I'm still not a fan of Naniwa, but I'd be happy if he switched to something else he enjoys. Maybe he can be the next star in Hearthstone
NaNiwa? Hearthstone? :D It's like calling him to play in team with Loda and Forest and win TI5.
On March 13 2014 06:14 Musicus wrote: I hope this means 1 more slot in the open bracket.
No hopes for you. Let us to clap for our hero once more, probably last time.
I don't really find protoss to be a fun race to play, can't say I blame him. Naniwa was always someone who searched for his own style and way to play, protoss is probably the worst race for that approach.
Wow. I never really liked him, but for his personalities. Even though i really have to admit that he was and is one of the most important persons we had in Starcraft 2. After losing Stephano we are losing another great foreigner. Sad.
gl hf Nani, you will be missed, both by your fans and those on the other side I think. Maybe getting a job as a nurse or a janitor will help you find the motivation to once again aim to be the best in the world at playing computer games in the future. The world could do with more nurses/janitors with an average APM of 200 though.
So, when I first heard this news, I was sad and worried, cause Naniwa, together with Idra and Huk, was one of the first people I followed after WoL was released, and it seems more and more of the people that got me into the game are leaving it.
But here people keep saying it's cause of the turtle fest of the Swarm host.
Really? I mean, may not be the truth, is just speculation. But. Really? If that is the case, it's simply silly of Naniwa.
Has he forgotten that Terran has had Siege Tanks that do the exact same thing, maybe even better for years?
Well despite this I wish him luck for the upcoming IEM and I hope he may return sometime soon.
On March 13 2014 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote: I love how people think that Naniwa gets paid a lot
SC2 community has a rampant lack of understanding of what money goes where in this scene.
It might have a rampant lack of understanding where the money goes because no one in the scene wants to talk about this information, don't you think?
This isn't even only regarding the money, it's basically impossible to know what goes on in the scene unless you are already in it, since very few people are open on how things work.
I'm not even saying we need to know (I certainly don't need to know what Naniwa gets payed, for example, I don't really care), but I don't understand the whole "you're so stupid for being wrong I'm not even going to bother correcting you other than pointing and laughing, because you clearly don't understand"-thing. What good does that do?
TB has a point when he says that people don't understand about where the money goes. I see a lot of people saying "Well no one tells us the monetary situations of esports teams so how are we supposed to know?" which is true but then people try to make points with assumptions on financial situations that they know nothing about, so I can kind of see TB's frustration with that.
Sure, I can understand that as well, and of course there are some completely unrealistic assumptions. But when there is no information to go on at all (except some rumors about the top paid players), of course all people can do is speculate. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
The fact the industry is still in it's infancy (calm down BW folks) in terms on foreign teams, etc, it seems doubtful a standard has been set for the financials of an esports team. One team might pay 2x what the other team does, but no one wants to share information like that because teams don't want to get embarrassed by not having enough to match some other teams salary.
As you said, it's pure speculation, but it's fun to guess
I was actually going to mention that in my first post, but since that was pure speculation as well I decided to leave it out. But yes, looking at the scene from the outside you get the feeling that not even everyone in the scene knows what everyone else is doing. And as I said, this isn't only the money, there are a lot of things going on that you have no way to know about unless you're part of it. Which is why I feel it's kind of strange to criticize people for not knowing.
On topic: This sucks. Although maybe not such a surprise after seeing his games in WCS EU. It certainly didn't look like he was having a good day. But even though Naniwa is a polarizing figure, he's still one of the foreigners who can take multiple games of Koreans on a good day. Personally I hope he comes back.
WTF. The foreign hope on a "break"? Love him or hate him, he's a great player and I hope he comes back soon. The scene could use more smack talking foreigners
This is very sad for the entire foreign scene... People may love him or people may hate him, this doesn't change the fact that he's one of the very few foreigners who actually have a shot at winning tournaments packed with Koreans. This is a fact.
I really hope he finds his motivation, and that Blizzard ACTS. It's not that Zerg in any way is overpowered in my opinion, but Swarm Hosts are simply a very stupid and boring unit, forcing hour-long games whether you like it or not. I really hope this gives Blizzard a wakeup call when one of the very few foreigners even take breaks from the game to avoid playing against swarm hosts.
If you look at Naniwas twitter its just full of SH complaints, I don't blame him but I find it sad that he would lose his motivation no matter the reason.
Naniwas drive and motivation was always his strongest charm, he wanted to win, he wanted to be the best and he put that ahead of everything. It seems how the SH functions and effects the game makes Naniwa lose his drive, my guess would be that the options he finds that makes it the most likely for him to win is not fun for him and he cant find any viable options. This is just guesswork though, hope he makes a comeback. Maybe win at Katowice
Anyway I'll always cheer for Nani, hoping for a blazing comeback, all he needs is the spark that ignites it all.
On March 13 2014 06:09 radscorpion9 wrote: I'm still not a fan of Naniwa, but I'd be happy if he switched to something else he enjoys. Maybe he can be the next star in Hearthstone
NaNiwa? Hearthstone? :D It's like calling him to play in team with Loda and Forest and win TI5.
On March 13 2014 06:09 radscorpion9 wrote: I'm still not a fan of Naniwa, but I'd be happy if he switched to something else he enjoys. Maybe he can be the next star in Hearthstone
NaNiwa? Hearthstone? :D It's like calling him to play in team with Loda and Forest and win TI5.
On March 13 2014 06:14 Musicus wrote: I hope this means 1 more slot in the open bracket.
No hopes for you. Let us to clap for our hero once more, probably last time.
Today Savijz was streaming and he was playing someone called Naniwa, maybe he's playing it for real.
When i play dota, usually i have guys against me with some stolen nickname from pro to look cute. It doesn't mean that they're real :D
LOL Naniwa is complaining about Toss being too OP ?
On March 13 2014 03:28 Naniwa wrote: my team gave me a great contract, its not about money for those who wonder. i am taking a break untill i get motivation back but if that doesnt happen then ofcourse i wont continue. i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it. i am tired of complaining about it so instead i just choose this instead
On March 13 2014 06:59 saltis wrote: LOL Naniwa is complaining about Toss being too OP ?
On March 13 2014 03:28 Naniwa wrote: my team gave me a great contract, its not about money for those who wonder. i am taking a break untill i get motivation back but if that doesnt happen then ofcourse i wont continue. i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it. i am tired of complaining about it so instead i just choose this instead
On March 13 2014 06:59 saltis wrote: LOL Naniwa is complaining about Toss being too OP ?
On March 13 2014 03:28 Naniwa wrote: my team gave me a great contract, its not about money for those who wonder. i am taking a break untill i get motivation back but if that doesnt happen then ofcourse i wont continue. i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it. i am tired of complaining about it so instead i just choose this instead
Not the best at reading comprehension are you?
My comprehension is based on " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it". What does he expect Blizzard to fix ? It's obvious he wasn't talking about the design since it would require the whole redevelopment and the earliest could happen is LotV. The only thing he could talk was a balance "super long time to fix".
Starcraft 2 is dead, I don't give a fuck if I get "warned" "Banned" for this post. Keep telling yourself Starcraft 2 is doing well, there is a reason why so many pros keep retiring. The only reason I was a little bit interested in this game was cause of Naniwa himself, now that he is leaving, meh, who cares about SC2.
That's a shame. I used to think Protoss mass air was IMBA, but then saw the Hero vs Rogue game in PL where Rogue covered the whole map in spores and spines and then pulled the tempests in with vipers. Must be frustrating to play against, but it's the same principle as in WOL, you have to attack before they get that set up.
Well enjoy your break Nani and come back stronger. :D
Naniwa is the last true personality left in the foreign sc community... suddenly the game seems quite a bit more boring (and its already reached a level of dullness)
I've been very sad about Nani quitting, but I already went through all the emotions on the night after his WCS games. I pretty much felt this was going to happen then. Now there's just emptiness, and a quiet wondering if I'll ever feel the same about watching SC2 again.
On March 13 2014 06:59 saltis wrote: LOL Naniwa is complaining about Toss being too OP ?
On March 13 2014 03:28 Naniwa wrote: my team gave me a great contract, its not about money for those who wonder. i am taking a break untill i get motivation back but if that doesnt happen then ofcourse i wont continue. i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it. i am tired of complaining about it so instead i just choose this instead
Not the best at reading comprehension are you?
My comprehension is based on " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it". What does he expect Blizzard to fix ? It's obvious he wasn't talking about the design since it would require the whole redevelopment and the earliest could happen is LotV. The only thing he could talk was a balance "super long time to fix".
I'm not 100%, but when the problem was free units from blord-infestor, zerg could still play without em. I'm not sure if the situation with SH is exactly the same, but simply removing it is perhaps the fix in mind. But with the meta so SH dominated(not quite sure tho, haven't cathed all too much of the latest esports) it could probably spawn some issues. So then follows the question; what could be done instead? While blords and infestors are still around, they are not ruining the game quite as much as they used to do. So how could blizzard recreate this elimination of injustice? Now this is something quite complicated and the majority of us probably don't want them to rush to some random solution, but they can't of course wait too long either. And who knows if they even have ackowledged the problem yet, although with Naniwa's break it should definately reach their ears. So, in the end I think Naniwa is right with that it'll take some time
I always hated his constant childish bitching a fighting and his seeming lack of concern for his image as a professional player, but this is bad for the foreign scene. I wonder what will happen with IEM WC, is he still going to play?
On March 13 2014 07:22 Josh_Video wrote: I always hated his constant childish bitching a fighting and his seeming lack of concern for his image as a professional player, but this is bad for the foreign scene. I wonder what will happen with IEM WC, is he still going to play?
On March 13 2014 07:22 Josh_Video wrote: I always hated his constant childish bitching a fighting and his seeming lack of concern for his image as a professional player, but this is bad for the foreign scene. I wonder what will happen with IEM WC, is he still going to play?
Yes, he is.
Well thats good, atleast. All IEM needs is a foreign star dropping out before the event even starts, especially with the whole 100k to first place risk...
On March 13 2014 05:07 ElMeanYo wrote: I understand perfectly how sports contracts work. I can't abide these spoiled brats who sign for millions and coast along with minimal effort. Even if injured a player should NOT be paid IMO, all the more motivation for them to rehab and get back in shape.
But Nani doesn't have an injury excuse. He's just raking in his teams money. No streaming, likely to get bounced in first round of IEM. I'm sure his team feels as though they've gotten their moneys worth. /sarcasm
This is the most retarded writing I can remember reading in quite some time. If injured sports players didn't get payed, the result would not be "more motivation for them to rehab."
Instead you'd see far more boring sporting events, because everyone would be trying not to get injured instead of play their hardest. Jadeveon Clowney, arguably the best college football player we have seen in awhile, had a monster season two years ago. His statistics this past season dropped considerably, and many people think one of the reasons for that is he kept himself from going 100% to avoid injury and jeopardize his first NFL payday.
See the NFL Pro Bowl (or don't cuz it's unbearably boring), that is what a field full of players who have nothing to gain by doing anything other than avoiding injury looks like.
Also, see Adrian Peterson and Robert Griffin III of the NFL, who, despite still getting paid while they had torn ACLs, worked their asses off to return to the game in unprecedented time (a matter of months when usually that type of injury requires a year or more).
The vast majority of professional sports players aren't even topping a million dollars a year, though the superstars might get upwards of 20. And there isn't a single professional athlete, millionaire or not, who is "coasting along with minimal effort." First of all, you can't develop and maintain a body to compete at that level while "coasting." Then you have to consider the amount of time spent on the mental aspects, learning the intricacies of your game, studying your opponents' tendencies...I think you just have no idea what you're talking about.
NOOOOOOO. He was by far my favorite player i watched him in every tournament and i still remeber the nerd chills i got after he had beaten Jaedong at Dreamhack in the semifinals
Naniwa is mirroring his falloff from WoL exactly (1 year from release). His strengths are just better suited to a less explored/figured out game. Earlier on mechanics are less important and being creative and surprising has more power. I guess we'll see him when the protoss expansion hits ^^
so of the only two foreigner players worth anything (save maybe the Chinese), one is semi-retired, and the other keeps talking about taking a break from the game.
On March 13 2014 07:51 JoeCool wrote: Was there ever an athlete that became better (or at least reached the same level as before) after "taking some time off" ?
michael jordan retired and then came back and was still good.
Lets hope naniwa goes to the same medical school as Thorzane, and EG can monetize its employees via a reality show hosted by Incontrol.
On March 13 2014 07:47 m0ck wrote: Naniwa is mirroring his falloff from WoL exactly (1 year from release). His strengths are just better suited to a less explored/figured out game. Earlier on mechanics are less important and being creative and surprising has more power. I guess we'll see him when the protoss expansion hits ^^
lol. You talk like he became bad at the game and lost motivation because of that. It's more like he lost motivation and stopped practicing.
On March 13 2014 07:36 GaliX wrote: So only robot Koreans and mainstream foreigners are left in Starcraft sadly.
No person with personality is left now. Maybe MC, Jeadong or Parting can be called personalitys now. But they are so different. MC is just a troll.
I would have argued against you but the idea that Korean players are robots or void of personality is too stupid and it's been used a million times too many. Come on dude, don't be thick.
On March 13 2014 07:49 thirtyapm wrote: well i guess scarlett becomes the undisputed best foreigner then.
until she takes an indefinite break heh, or state catches up.
True but we don't hear alot from Scarlett recently. And i would not put State in top 20 foreigner.
Scarlett is going to Korea in a few weeks, and State just joined Prime and is said to consistently hang around the upper half of KR GM. I don't think there are 20 foreigners that could do the same.
This hurts the foreign scene so much. Whether you were a fan or not, Nani was a big personality and one of the few foreign hopes. And we've seen that replacements for big foreign hopes aren't exactly lining up
Well, if he's not enjoying the game, I think it's the right call to make. I'm sure lots of people will be sad by it but such is life. If this is done purely for balance reasons though, then I disagree with the method of getting change to happen. Best of luck to him.
On March 13 2014 07:15 Vertigro wrote: Naniwa is the last true personality left in the foreign sc community... suddenly the game seems quite a bit more boring (and its already reached a level of dullness)
Since when you have to insult your opponents and blame anything but yourself when you lose to have a "true personality"?
MC has no personality? Targa ? Mana ? Huk? Catz ?
I'm happy for the SC2 scene today and I hope he'll never come back. Being different is good, being an ass like Idra or Naniwa is a shame.
Naniwa was one of very few SC2 players who I'd get excited to watch. Whether you loved him or you hated him, the emotion that he played with transferred to the viewers. Some people would be angry if he won or happy if he lost because of his bad manners and "I only care about winning" attitude. I fell into the other camp with people who were elated when he won because his intensity was palpable onscreen, even though you couldn't see him. You just knew he wanted to win so badly, and that he really did put the work and time in to try to be the best.
Seeing a guy who cared as much as Naniwa cared basically saying he doesn't enjoy the game anymore is pretty upsetting. Good luck to him in whatever endeavor he moves on to.
he was like a version of idra that was actually good at the game. polarizing, but actually able to back up trash talking with results. he will be missed
On one hand, we lose a foreigner who could consistently play against koreans with results. On the other, we lose a foreigner who would consistently shit-talk and just be a massive douche.
On March 13 2014 08:42 Meepman wrote: Don't know how I feel about this, really.
On one hand, we lose a foreigner who could consistently play against koreans with results. On the other, we lose a foreigner who would consistently shit-talk and just be a massive douche.
On March 13 2014 07:49 thirtyapm wrote: well i guess scarlett becomes the undisputed best foreigner then.
until she takes an indefinite break heh, or state catches up.
True but we don't hear alot from Scarlett recently. And i would not put State in top 20 foreigner.
Scarlett is going to Korea in a few weeks, and State just joined Prime and is said to consistently hang around the upper half of KR GM. I don't think there are 20 foreigners that could do the same.
Happy is pretty much #1 on EU ladder for 3 years and still hasn't been able to reach the Ro4 of a big tournament. You know that the ladder means nothing.
On March 13 2014 08:42 Meepman wrote: Don't know how I feel about this, really.
On one hand, we lose a foreigner who could consistently play against koreans with results. On the other, we lose a foreigner who would consistently shit-talk and just be a massive douche.
NaNiwa is just blunt. He will say what he thinks without hiding anything. If you want to surf for analogs, you don't need to bring IdrA. Go, look at Doublelift, one of best adcs in the world. (League of Legends, right). He's trash-talking like hella a lot but he delivers after it in 90%. Same with NaNi and you just can't have every player like HuK, who will cry if someone like Thoorin speaks about him as asshole.
On March 13 2014 07:49 thirtyapm wrote: well i guess scarlett becomes the undisputed best foreigner then.
until she takes an indefinite break heh, or state catches up.
True but we don't hear alot from Scarlett recently. And i would not put State in top 20 foreigner.
Scarlett is going to Korea in a few weeks, and State just joined Prime and is said to consistently hang around the upper half of KR GM. I don't think there are 20 foreigners that could do the same.
Happy is pretty much #1 on EU ladder for 3 years and still hasn't been able to reach the Ro4 of a big tournament. You know that the ladder means nothing.
Not a lot of foreigners can be added to official roster of KeSPA team. I highly doubt that there are at least 10 possible figures in the world right now.
On March 13 2014 08:31 fishjie wrote: wow huge news
this is really sad
he was like a version of idra that was actually good at the game. polarizing, but actually able to back up trash talking with results. he will be missed
idra has a more recent premier tournament win than naniwa
On March 13 2014 07:49 thirtyapm wrote: well i guess scarlett becomes the undisputed best foreigner then.
until she takes an indefinite break heh, or state catches up.
True but we don't hear alot from Scarlett recently. And i would not put State in top 20 foreigner.
Scarlett is going to Korea in a few weeks, and State just joined Prime and is said to consistently hang around the upper half of KR GM. I don't think there are 20 foreigners that could do the same.
Happy is pretty much #1 on EU ladder for 3 years and still hasn't been able to reach the Ro4 of a big tournament. You know that the ladder means nothing.
That doesn't change what I said. There probably aren't 20+ players that could hang around the top of the Korean ladder that aren't Korean. Tournament results aren't relevant to the question.
Big respect to Naniwa for keeping it real, and not just hanging around at a shitty level which he knows he is so so far above when he actually has a fire for the game.
Big respect to Naniwa for keeping it real, and not just hanging around at a shitty level which he knows he is so so far above when he actually has a fire for the game.
dude, nice job hijacking nani's thread with your own retirement. you will be missed /sarcasm
btw, you say you respect nani for this. But really what is boils down to is "I'm not practicing, but I'll stay play tournaments from time to time."
He's pulling a Stephano. He wants to play less, but still enjoy the spotlight.
I've had a lot of respect for him over the last couple of years for his dedication to do his best and for his results. I still think that compared to his skill he might be the biggest douche that's out there. Will miss him for his plays, not for his constant bitching. (That last line is classic him, balance whining through the flower like that is annoying as fuck)
Still, farewell Nani, those were some big plays you pulled across your career. Taking a break might be the best decision when you're not hot for the game anymore. Maybe it will come back (it did for me), maybe it won't.
Big respect to Naniwa for keeping it real, and not just hanging around at a shitty level which he knows he is so so far above when he actually has a fire for the game.
dude, nice job hijacking nani's thread with your own retirement. you will be missed /sarcasm
btw, you say you respect nani for this. But really what is boils down to is "I'm not practicing, but I'll stay play tournaments from time to time."
He's pulling a Stephano. He wants to play less, but still enjoy the spotlight.
I'm sure you made a great point, but the question I ask myself is, what will I eat for lunch tomorrow?
On March 13 2014 07:49 thirtyapm wrote: well i guess scarlett becomes the undisputed best foreigner then.
until she takes an indefinite break heh, or state catches up.
True but we don't hear alot from Scarlett recently. And i would not put State in top 20 foreigner.
Scarlett is going to Korea in a few weeks, and State just joined Prime and is said to consistently hang around the upper half of KR GM. I don't think there are 20 foreigners that could do the same.
Not meaning to argue, but this hype around state, I dont get it. Can someone link me a vod that gives me some reason to believe in any of this hype? The play that I have seen from in the past, although being limited, does not come even close to it.
Okay he got picked up by a korean team, well so did Fenix too. Only problem in this story was that this recruitment was the last we heard about Fenix before he disappeared in the "no longer relavent pro player" mist. So I am not holding my breath quite yet ^^
On March 13 2014 06:09 radscorpion9 wrote: I'm still not a fan of Naniwa, but I'd be happy if he switched to something else he enjoys. Maybe he can be the next star in Hearthstone
NaNiwa? Hearthstone? :D It's like calling him to play in team with Loda and Forest and win TI5.
On March 13 2014 06:14 Musicus wrote: I hope this means 1 more slot in the open bracket.
No hopes for you. Let us to clap for our hero once more, probably last time.
Well it won't be pretty if he didn't touch the game for over a month. Didn't expect him to travel there, he rarely went to events if he wasn't prepared.
It's such BS it is because of the swarm host, swarm host is nothing new at all, it's just that he played it way too much, and im not blaming him, playing up to about 10 hours every day, omg i cant even imagine how boring that would be in the long run. If he's not caring about doing well or his best at Katowice, he shouldnt even be participating in the first place, no one can play on the top level that is needed to take on a tournament such as IEM Katowice if they dont have passion for the game. Naniwa means a lot to the foreigner sc2 community and i bet that many many will quit following big events and even stop playing if he's quitting. I would love to see him do well on this "last" tournament of his that i think it is, but i doubt there will be any wins at all Let's hope for the best though.
On March 13 2014 08:42 Meepman wrote: Don't know how I feel about this, really.
On one hand, we lose a foreigner who could consistently play against koreans with results. On the other, we lose a foreigner who would consistently shit-talk and just be a massive douche.
NaNiwa is just blunt. He will say what he thinks without hiding anything. If you want to surf for analogs, you don't need to bring IdrA. Go, look at Doublelift, one of best adcs in the world. (League of Legends, right). He's trash-talking like hella a lot but he delivers after it in 90%. Same with NaNi and you just can't have every player like HuK, who will cry if someone like Thoorin speaks about him as asshole.
On March 13 2014 07:49 thirtyapm wrote: well i guess scarlett becomes the undisputed best foreigner then.
until she takes an indefinite break heh, or state catches up.
True but we don't hear alot from Scarlett recently. And i would not put State in top 20 foreigner.
Scarlett is going to Korea in a few weeks, and State just joined Prime and is said to consistently hang around the upper half of KR GM. I don't think there are 20 foreigners that could do the same.
Happy is pretty much #1 on EU ladder for 3 years and still hasn't been able to reach the Ro4 of a big tournament. You know that the ladder means nothing.
Not a lot of foreigners can be added to official roster of KeSPA team. I highly doubt that there are at least 10 possible figures in the world right now.
Haha do not compare Naniwa to Doublelift. Dlift talks trash and pokes fun at his competitors, but he respects them as people and doesn't spend all day talking about how Riot is stupid and how he knows better. Nani is not "just blunt." He really does have a distasteful personality. That being said he is an amazing player, which is the only reason someone like him can get by in the scene
On March 13 2014 07:15 Vertigro wrote: Naniwa is the last true personality left in the foreign sc community... suddenly the game seems quite a bit more boring (and its already reached a level of dullness)
Since when you have to insult your opponents and blame anything but yourself when you lose to have a "true personality"?
MC has no personality? Targa ? Mana ? Huk? Catz ?
I'm happy for the SC2 scene today and I hope he'll never come back. Being different is good, being an ass like Idra or Naniwa is a shame.
Just my 2 cents.
I personally find MC irritating... but that's the point! How you just expressed your feelings over players like Idra and Naniwa shows that they are indeed personalities! In my opinion, Naniwa is an extraordinarily honest, and hard-working player and his opinions, whilst either loved or hated, draw the audience in... you either want him to win, or you want him to lose; and that im afraid is what draws a lot of people into sport... storyline and drama.
Never mind the fact that he got rolled in his WCS Europe Ro32 group. It's laughable that he blames Blizzard when Protoss are doing the best of all the races right now, and also because he's made so much money off their game. If you don't want to play the game, don't play it. You don't have to whine about it like some girl whose prom date just left her.
This thread has fairly attracted some fucking bullshit, some of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen.
'Do your job Nani, get off your lazy ass' - Directed at a player famous for grinding and grinding and practicing his ass off. Retarded.
Best of luck to Nani, if he can recover his passion and return that'd be great, if not well he's given a hell of a lot of excitement to many people, from his fans to those who rally against him it adds interest to the business end of tournaments he's played in.
On March 13 2014 10:27 tshi wrote: I think the real winner here is Scarlett! Now the best foreigner actively playing in the scene now!
Congratz!
Eh, they actually practiced together a bit, and there was no real beef between them. If anything, this just puts more pressure on those slender canadian shoulders.
On March 13 2014 10:20 Wombat_NI wrote: This thread has fairly attracted some fucking bullshit, some of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen.
'Do your job Nani, get off your lazy ass' - Directed at a player famous for grinding and grinding and practicing his ass off. Retarded.
Best of luck to Nani, if he can recover his passion and return that'd be great, if not well he's given a hell of a lot of excitement to many people, from his fans to those who rally against him it adds interest to the business end of tournaments he's played in.
Insane.
Best of luck to Nani. Arguably best foreigner ever.
True that, Naniwa is something of a beacon to fanboys and those who dislike him alike, they'll see it from miles away and come to make their sacred pilgrimage
On March 13 2014 10:56 juvenal wrote: I personally will miss nothing.
Fantastic, good to know man
and what kind of responds are you expecting from a thread like this? He was a great man let us all dirge for a minute? What i said was the most polite form of what i thought, that's it. And lol at "that's called personality"/"he was brave enough to speak the Truth" etc. bullshit
He was a fantastic player and deserves respect for that at least. One of the very few that could go toe to toe with the Koreans.
On March 13 2014 10:05 Gen.Rolly wrote: Never mind the fact that he got rolled in his WCS Europe Ro32 group. It's laughable that he blames Blizzard when Protoss are doing the best of all the races right now, and also because he's made so much money off their game. If you don't want to play the game, don't play it. You don't have to whine about it like some girl whose prom date just left her.
He was barely prepared for that group and he's not whining about balance. The main problem is he's getting bogged down in long SH games and it isn't fun. Even watching those games drains my passion. I can't imagine laddering as much as he does and having to face that shit for hours a day.
I get that he did not prepare for WCS, I readily admit he is better than what he showed there. But if that is the case, I don't want to see him take up a spot at Katowice. Give it to someone who is truly there to go balls to the wall and try to win.
And also about Swarm Hosts, really now, immortal all ins have been around since 2010, haven't seen any zerg retire because of them. If it's just not liking the game in general and having no reason to believe Blizzard are willing to reconsider certain aspects, I completely understand and echo that sentiment.
On March 13 2014 11:39 Squat wrote: And also about Swarm Hosts, really now, immortal all ins have been around since 2010, haven't seen any zerg retire because of them. If it's just not liking the game in general and having no reason to believe Blizzard are willing to reconsider certain aspects, I completely understand and echo that sentiment.
You can't compare the two because the stressful part of an immortal all in doesn't take 30+ grueling minutes.
On March 13 2014 10:20 Wombat_NI wrote: This thread has fairly attracted some fucking bullshit, some of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen.
'Do your job Nani, get off your lazy ass' - Directed at a player famous for grinding and grinding and practicing his ass off. Retarded.
Best of luck to Nani, if he can recover his passion and return that'd be great, if not well he's given a hell of a lot of excitement to many people, from his fans to those who rally against him it adds interest to the business end of tournaments he's played in.
Insane.
Best of luck to Nani. Arguably best foreigner ever.
lol? stephano won multiple major tournaments with top koreans. no other foreigner comes close to what stephano accomplished.
i expected this 3 months ago when he streamed for 1 day. He kept talking a lot of shit in games where zergs used swarm hosts and say he's frustrated with the current metagame. Also in WCS EU, he couldn't win a player that was consider "inferior" without using cheeese.
On March 13 2014 12:50 Za7oX wrote: I wonder if Naniwa has ever had a real job ;o Someone give the kid a reality check so he can keep playing video games for money.
I wonder if you've ever been a professional gamer, or have met and talked to some of these people extensively? Playing video games for 10-12+ hours a day, getting shit on by people in the community that don't like you cause of your race/way you play/mannerisms/etc, and not getting any recognition for your efforts unless you're a top 4 finisher at tournaments that happen every few months... that doesn't sound like fun. It sounds like hell.
On March 13 2014 03:28 Naniwa wrote: my team gave me a great contract, its not about money for those who wonder. i am taking a break untill i get motivation back but if that doesnt happen then ofcourse i wont continue. i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it. i am tired of complaining about it so instead i just choose this instead
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On March 13 2014 12:50 Za7oX wrote: I wonder if Naniwa has ever had a real job ;o Someone give the kid a reality check so he can keep playing video games for money.
Yeah, because grinding games out for hours a day, month after month, is so much fun.
I think this is his retirement. Though I have seen this coming after his latest performances, it's very sad to loose one of the best foreign players... But what can we say... he is right: SC2 has some great problems at the moment, and I can't blame anyone for not being motivated to play this game at the moment. Good luck in the future, Naniwa!
On March 13 2014 12:50 Za7oX wrote: I wonder if Naniwa has ever had a real job ;o Someone give the kid a reality check so he can keep playing video games for money.
Yeah, because grinding games out for hours a day, month after month, is so much fun.
On March 13 2014 12:50 Za7oX wrote: I wonder if Naniwa has ever had a real job ;o Someone give the kid a reality check so he can keep playing video games for money.
Yeah, because grinding games out for hours a day, month after month, is so much fun.
yhea like anybody forced him to ....
Who is saying that? It's more a response to idiotic 'how dare he not enjoy being a progamer?!, how very DARE HE?!' bs.
So happy if this is true. Always an unpleasant person, bad loser, basically cheated by watching replays when it was against the rules. Just a thoroughly horrible person that only has fans because he's very good at a game. GL in the real world.
For me, being good at a game doesn't make being a total douche suddenly irrelevent.
On March 13 2014 12:50 Za7oX wrote: I wonder if Naniwa has ever had a real job ;o Someone give the kid a reality check so he can keep playing video games for money.
Yeah, because grinding games out for hours a day, month after month, is so much fun.
yhea like anybody forced him to ....
Who is saying that? It's more a response to idiotic 'how dare he not enjoy being a progamer?!, how very DARE HE?!' bs.
seems like he's saying that Naniwa had a chance that many would've taken in his place and that he should continue due to that. I don't necessarily agree though if he dislikes the game since he would be forcing himself to play it.
Even though it is isn't common knowledge, Nani actually takes "brakes" fairly often as he is only the 40+ games per day grind monster if he is motivated enough. He'll play IEM and he'll play tournaments after that and he won't retire any time soon. I don't even wanna know how pissed Garfield is right now, given that you probably wanna have the Alliance website announce something like that.
I can imagine a lot of shit that is way way worse to deal with in "real jobs" than 1/3 of your games being vs swarm hosts. Seriously these guys are supposed to be professionals not whinny bitches. He even realized himself that Blizz will fix it eventually, so I really don't get why he can't just get himself to go on until then and realize that he is getting paid to play videogames all day (and no offense to me thats one of the best possible jobs of all time). Sure it's not easy when you do it 8+ hours a day (which barely any foreigner does anyway), but I would say that playing vs SH is not as bad as actually doing a desk job/physically demanding job for 8+ hours a day...
On March 13 2014 07:49 thirtyapm wrote: well i guess scarlett becomes the undisputed best foreigner then.
until she takes an indefinite break heh, or state catches up.
True but we don't hear alot from Scarlett recently. And i would not put State in top 20 foreigner.
Scarlett is going to Korea in a few weeks, and State just joined Prime and is said to consistently hang around the upper half of KR GM. I don't think there are 20 foreigners that could do the same.
On March 13 2014 07:49 thirtyapm wrote: well i guess scarlett becomes the undisputed best foreigner then.
until she takes an indefinite break heh, or state catches up.
True but we don't hear alot from Scarlett recently. And i would not put State in top 20 foreigner.
Scarlett is going to Korea in a few weeks, and State just joined Prime and is said to consistently hang around the upper half of KR GM. I don't think there are 20 foreigners that could do the same.
I think you overrate ladder
Proof that Scarlett is not going to Korea for ladder.
Poll: Why is Scarlett going to Korea?
To ask Wolf Hair advice (100)
45%
Find Byun (73)
33%
Ask Moonglade why he isn't casting PL yet (42)
19%
To play sc2 (7)
3%
222 total votes
Your vote: Why is Scarlett going to Korea?
(Vote): To play sc2 (Vote): To ask Wolf Hair advice (Vote): Find Byun (Vote): Ask Moonglade why he isn't casting PL yet
On March 13 2014 12:50 Za7oX wrote: I wonder if Naniwa has ever had a real job ;o Someone give the kid a reality check so he can keep playing video games for money.
Yeah, because grinding games out for hours a day, month after month, is so much fun.
yhea like anybody forced him to ....
Who is saying that? It's more a response to idiotic 'how dare he not enjoy being a progamer?!, how very DARE HE?!' bs.
Being a proper pro-gamer as Nani is/was would be exhausting. But then, so are many other jobs. I respect his play a lot and his achievements, but his reason for leaving strikes me as a load of whiny shit. Work getting hard? Knuckle down and get on with it. If it really is too much, then leaving is the logical choice and fair enough. Just don't expect a clap on the way out.
All my favourite players are retiring (Naniwa, Stephano), unable to compete (Flash, Grubby, MVP, MKP, Major). There's no more SotG, Inside the EG or Meta and Day9 seems to have pulled an MH370 years ago.
I think it's time to say farewell after KESPA-Robot #47 wins IEM Katowice.
On March 13 2014 12:50 Za7oX wrote: I wonder if Naniwa has ever had a real job ;o Someone give the kid a reality check so he can keep playing video games for money.
Yeah, because grinding games out for hours a day, month after month, is so much fun.
On March 13 2014 16:56 SixStrings wrote: All my favourite players are retiring (Naniwa, Stephano, Scarlett), unable to compete (Flash, Grubby, MVP, MKP, Major). There's no more SotG, Inside the EG or Meta and Day9 seems to have pulled an MH370 years ago.
I think it's time to say farewell after KESPA-Robot #47 wins IEM Katowice.
Scarlett hasn't retired o.o she's going to korea soon.
also inside the game is still around(last episode was feb 25) unless i missed something and it's now cancelled.
On March 13 2014 07:49 thirtyapm wrote: well i guess scarlett becomes the undisputed best foreigner then.
until she takes an indefinite break heh, or state catches up.
True but we don't hear alot from Scarlett recently. And i would not put State in top 20 foreigner.
Scarlett is going to Korea in a few weeks, and State just joined Prime and is said to consistently hang around the upper half of KR GM. I don't think there are 20 foreigners that could do the same.
I think you overrate ladder
Proof that Scarlett is not going to Korea for ladder.
Poll: Why is Scarlett going to Korea?
To ask Wolf Hair advice (100)
45%
Find Byun (73)
33%
Ask Moonglade why he isn't casting PL yet (42)
19%
To play sc2 (7)
3%
222 total votes
Your vote: Why is Scarlett going to Korea?
(Vote): To play sc2 (Vote): To ask Wolf Hair advice (Vote): Find Byun (Vote): Ask Moonglade why he isn't casting PL yet
On March 13 2014 16:56 SixStrings wrote: All my favourite players are retiring (Naniwa, Stephano), unable to compete (Flash, Grubby, MVP, MKP, Major). There's no more SotG, Inside the EG or Meta and Day9 seems to have pulled an MH370 years ago.
I think it's time to say farewell after KESPA-Robot #47 wins IEM Katowice.
I might have phrased it differently but my emotions are very similar. My emotional attachment to this game has greatly diminished compared to what it was just a year ago.
While this really saddens me, I can understand him. If he is not enjoying the game anymore, there is no real point in continue to compete, although I hope his passion can be restored at some time, maybe he'll come back after some updates are made. Until then thanks for everything and enjoy your stay in poland.
This also means, that the foreigner crown is waiting for someone to take it for te first time since the pre-Jinro era. Scarlett looked like an undisputed nr.2 for the majority of 2013, but with her recent struggels in WCS NA/ Enders game tournament/ Shoutcraft and also the events of SeatStoryCup, it looks like the euro zergs might have surpassed her. I guess, we'll find out in the next few months.
How guilty should I feel for being cheerful? The only foreigner at Blizzcon is retiring, explicitly because of bad game design and a complete lack of confidence in the developers. This is terrible PR for Blizzard, and maybe it will give them the kick in the ass they need.
I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.
On March 13 2014 15:38 IAMPRO wrote: So happy if this is true. Always an unpleasant person, bad loser, basically cheated by watching replays when it was against the rules. Just a thoroughly horrible person that only has fans because he's very good at a game. GL in the real world.
For me, being good at a game doesn't make being a total douche suddenly irrelevent.
I was fortunate enough to meet him a few times and I found him to be a pretty chill guy. Certainly not the most sportsmanlike when it comes to taking a loss, but that's centrally because his goal was always to win (rather than entertain his audience) and if he didn't accomplish that goal, then he saw no reason to even bother faking a smile about it. I liked him for his work ethic and pride as a competitor, not for his behavior. Naniwa was easily one of the hardest working, most focused, and most motivated foreigners (see: Naniwa's time in Korea, Code S) we've ever seen in SC2. He wanted to be the best, and he was certainly the best foreigner for a period of time. And you write him off as just some douchey cheater? What the hell.
On March 13 2014 21:21 KelsierSC wrote: I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.
I doubt this is about balance. Naniwa hates Swarmhosts for the same reason he hates PvP. The games aren't fun, and if you're not having fun as a progamer you should enter the marketplace and get a proper job, which can dull the tedium of work with a good salary and real prospects.
The only people who stay in progaming after they stop enjoying it are people like IdrA, who abandoned school to go pro and got locked in.
On March 13 2014 21:21 KelsierSC wrote: I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.
Yeah and then every zerg will whine about protoss all ins...
i dont think im alone feeling this about SH + Pvp i guess, but i have 0 faith in blizzard ever changing anything considering the last years.
I think SHs will get some attention , eventually.
The best we can hope for is Blizzard nerfing them to infestor-tier uselessness. The core design is broken and removing it would be an admission of a mistake, which Blizzard won't ever do.
On March 13 2014 21:42 klup wrote: David Kim just said that they don't want big modification on SC2 because it will hurt Pro players carrier.
It seems that doing nothing is equally bad.
I guess they shouldn't come out with another expansion since big changes can alter one's career. It's pretty sad when you make such a horrible unit that if LotV was simply HotS minus the swarm host, then it would be a "must buy" or at least way better of a game.
i dont think im alone feeling this about SH + Pvp i guess, but i have 0 faith in blizzard ever changing anything considering the last years.
I think SHs will get some attention , eventually.
The best we can hope for is Blizzard nerfing them to infestor-tier uselessness. The core design is broken and removing it would be an admission of a mistake, which Blizzard won't ever do.
zergs cant win games if they lose SH without replacement...
On March 13 2014 10:57 lichter wrote: I hope you find something to do that pisses you off less on a regular basis :D
This kind of comments is why this scene sucks.
Really? It's quite good advice actually. Even if it's just a break from the game, it can certainly help. This is why people take week long vacations in 9-5 office life. You absolutely need time for yourself sometimes.
On March 13 2014 21:21 KelsierSC wrote: I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.
I doubt this is about balance. Naniwa hates Swarmhosts for the same reason he hates PvP. The games aren't fun, and if you're not having fun as a progamer you should enter the marketplace and get a proper job, which can dull the tedium of work with a good salary and real prospects.
The only people who stay in progaming after they stop enjoying it are people like IdrA, who abandoned school to go pro and got locked in.
Yeah, I agree.
Not trying to trashtalk Idra here (I was sad about him leaving the scene as well), but sticking with playing the game fulltime for so long even though he stated repeatedly that he didn't enjoy is something I wouldn't wish on anyone else.
On March 13 2014 21:21 KelsierSC wrote: I can never understand someone whining about SH as a balance unit, it happens pretty late into the game and there is a whole range of strategies that protoss can do to beat this.
I think the fact that they happen late in games is also part of the problem.
I mean, losing to a random Protoss all-in as Terran is frustrating as hell, but it only takes 10 minutes per game. Losing to Swarm Hosts isn't just frustating, it's also agonizingly slow. Having to play a really boring game that lasts for 45-90 minutes before it ends in a loss and you can move on to the next one can't work wonders for your practice routine.
I read his posts and see a little child who hasn't gotten his way so he's throwing a temper tantrum and covering it with smiley faces. Good bye, not that many will miss you honestly.
OF course, he will be back. This is just him trying to get his way, or attention, or both. He forgot to say what he wanted, though.
On March 13 2014 23:12 AnonymousSC2 wrote: I read his posts and see a little child who hasn't gotten his way so he's throwing a temper tantrum and covering it with smiley faces. Good bye, not that many will miss you honestly.
OF course, he will be back. This is just him trying to get his way, or attention, or both. He forgot to say what he wanted, though.
No, not at all.
Barely interacting with the community for several weeks and then saying "I don't enjoy this game anymore so I don't think I will keep playing" isn't a "tantrum". No idea how you managed to interpret it that way.
And you can dislike him all you want, saying that not a lot of people will miss him isn't even remotely true. Aside from Idra and Stephano (and possibly one or two others), he has one of the biggest fanbases amoung foreign players in the history of the game.
Besides, your accusation doesn't even make any sense; why would he stop playing for a month (confirmed by his in-game history) right before a 100,000 dollar tournament just to get attention? Where are you getting this stuff from?
On March 13 2014 23:12 AnonymousSC2 wrote: I read his posts and see a little child who hasn't gotten his way so he's throwing a temper tantrum and covering it with smiley faces. Good bye, not that many will miss you honestly.
OF course, he will be back. This is just him trying to get his way, or attention, or both. He forgot to say what he wanted, though.
You make THIS post in the pause announcement thread of a player and then blame HIM on seeking attention? Don' you see the irony?
I'm quite sure Naniwa didn't do this "for attention".
In fact, it feels like this was not a decision that came easily to him, and it's why he's leaving a small door open for coming back eventually - if things feel better for him. That's way more than he would have said if he was an attention seeking drama queen. If he does come back, I think it's going to be because he onced loved this game and wants to give it another shot before giving up completely.
On March 13 2014 04:16 Meki wrote: " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it."
With this he means Terran being imba vs Protoss?
I believe he's talking about Swarm Host. Naniwa's always been very vocal about his distaste of the unit.
while at the same time going void-ray HT
You do what you need to win. Lets start from begining. Blizzard fracked up the basics with SC2 but that is a huge topic so I will just focus on units. Sentry/Colossi and MMM both are crazy powerful so Zerg came with game breaking Broodlord/Infestor that was accused of destroying WoL. Then Blizzard to fix this in HotS nerfed Infestors to the ground and gave hard counters to Broodlords and gave zerg Swarm Hosts instead. But zerg now has no proper lategame and uses the slowest and most boring unit in SC2 as late game army before doing huge tech switches with massive larva saving (which is also a fucked up design for SC2 but is needed for current state of the game) to finish the game. And this problem was created because Blizzard does not want to fix the basics, and keeps on piling and piling stupid modifications that don't do anything good for the game.
On March 13 2014 04:16 Meki wrote: " i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it."
With this he means Terran being imba vs Protoss?
I believe he's talking about Swarm Host. Naniwa's always been very vocal about his distaste of the unit.
while at the same time going void-ray HT
You do what you need to win. Lets start from begining. Blizzard fracked up the basics with SC2 but that is a huge topic so I will just focus on units. Sentry/Colossi and MMM both are crazy powerful so Zerg came with game breaking Broodlord/Infestor that was accused of destroying WoL. Then Blizzard to fix this in HotS nerfed Infestors to the ground and gave hard counters to Broodlords and gave zerg Swarm Hosts instead. But zerg now has no proper lategame and uses the slowest and most boring unit in SC2 as late game army before doing huge tech switches with massive larva saving (which is also a fucked up design for SC2 but is needed for current state of the game) to finish the game. And this problem was created because Blizzard does not want to fix the basics, and keeps on piling and piling stupid modifications that don't do anything good for the game.
Not really. Piling on stupid modifications would imply that that the game just keeps getting worse, which isn't true. Gameplay-wise, Swarm Hosts are a huge issue, PvP is random, and so is early game TvP to some extent. Aside from that, the game is better than ever in almost every match-up. All Terran matchups are more entertaining and varied than in WoL, and the same goes for ZvZ. And as boring as Swarm Hosts can be, they still don't show up often enough to make PvZ as frustrating to watch as the BL + Infestor-filled lategame PvZ in WoL. Fixing Swarm Hosts is important, but aside from that, PvZ has much more room for variation and different compositions and strategies than in WoL. I mean, we have useful Hydras and viable Stargate play! How cool is that?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to claim that the game is perfect and that there aren't some (massive) problems that Blizzard should have fixed months ago, but these one-sided "omg dis game sux blizz dont care liek if you cry evrytiem"-posts are getting really old. No offence.
Also, just as a sidenote: BL + Infestor wasn't game-breaking from the beginning; the composition didn't become a huge problem until after the Queen buff in May 2012. In 2011, ling + bling + muta vs Terran was the standard, as far as I can remember.
Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
For the (hopefully) last time, she is leaving for Korea in a few days to stay several months at least, she is basically going to put her face to the grind over in Korea. That does not seem very retirementesque to me.
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
For the (hopefully) last time, she is leaving for Korea in a few weeks to stay several months at least, she is basically going to put her face to the grind over in Korea. That does not seem very retirementesque to me.
It's getting to the point that this thread about Naniwa needs a mod note about Scarlett :/
NANI...! Really hoped he would push on for another exciting year but guess all the unwanted drama really took it's toll also :-( hmm, can't really think of any other EU/NA-player that I like to watch now. Or that are actually able of beating Koreans, over and over... Think this will be the end for me as well.
Nani - the very best foreigner overall in SC2 ! Creds!
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
For the (hopefully) last time, she is leaving for Korea in a few days to stay several months at least, she is basically going to put her face to the grind over in Korea. That does not seem very retirementesque to me.
Yeah, totally forgot about that, sorry. She DID mention a couple of months ago that she was thinking of retiring though, good to hear she seems to have changed her mind.
On March 14 2014 06:43 atuor wrote: I think Naniwa is playing mind games. Hopefully he's feeling confident but just putting this information out there to throw off early opponents.
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
For the (hopefully) last time, she is leaving for Korea in a few days to stay several months at least, she is basically going to put her face to the grind over in Korea. That does not seem very retirementesque to me.
Yeah, totally forgot about that, sorry. She DID mention a couple of months ago that she was thinking of retiring though, good to hear she seems to have changed her mind.
Tbh, I didn't think that she played very well the last few months, so I was already believing that she didn't practice as much anymore. She's my favorite player probably, so I always wish to see her do well. It would be amazing if she could benefit from hardcore Korean practice and return as a much better player.
On March 14 2014 07:01 Mangooze wrote: I hope he is just trying to mess with his opponents and done some secret training last month to own at IEM tomorrow...
I can't help but to hope for that as well, as silly as it seems.
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
Have absolutely no idea where you got this info from; she said in the AMAA that she is NOT planning to retire for a long time. She doesn't even have any reason to; she's on top of her game and if she practices a little she literally stomps heads, korean or not.
Enough with the retirement hype train please, if Naniwa is retiring it doesn't mean half of pros are now considering it, it just means Naniwa is retiring, gl hf there are lots of other tremendously good players to keep the scene alive for the next 30 years
On March 14 2014 07:01 Mangooze wrote: I hope he is just trying to mess with his opponents and done some secret training last month to own at IEM tomorrow...
I can't help but to hope for that as well, as silly as it seems.
one thing that is for sure is that he's gonna practice a lot before he announces his comeback
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
Have absolutely no idea where you got this info from; she said in the AMAA that she is NOT planning to retire for a long time. She doesn't even have any reason to; she's on top of her game and if she practices a little she literally stomps heads, korean or not.
Enough with the retirement hype train please, if Naniwa is retiring it doesn't mean half of pros are now considering it, it just means Naniwa is retiring, gl hf there are lots of other tremendously good players to keep the scene alive for the next 30 years
He is talking about when scarlett did talk about it at the end of 2013 considering retiring in 2014. I believe she changed her mind though ^^.
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
Have absolutely no idea where you got this info from; she said in the AMAA that she is NOT planning to retire for a long time. She doesn't even have any reason to; she's on top of her game and if she practices a little she literally stomps heads, korean or not.
Enough with the retirement hype train please, if Naniwa is retiring it doesn't mean half of pros are now considering it, it just means Naniwa is retiring, gl hf there are lots of other tremendously good players to keep the scene alive for the next 30 years
He is talking about when scarlett did talk about it at the end of 2013 considering retiring in 2014. I believe she changed her mind though ^^.
I think she said she was considering laying low in 2014 for personal reasons, not retiring.
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
Have absolutely no idea where you got this info from; she said in the AMAA that she is NOT planning to retire for a long time. She doesn't even have any reason to; she's on top of her game and if she practices a little she literally stomps heads, korean or not.
Enough with the retirement hype train please, if Naniwa is retiring it doesn't mean half of pros are now considering it, it just means Naniwa is retiring, gl hf there are lots of other tremendously good players to keep the scene alive for the next 30 years
I got it from the interview she did a few months ago, at the end of 2013 (before Red Bull, as I recall), where she said that she was considering retirement - or at least not playing full time - next year (2014), since playing the game full time was becoming boring to her. You're right though, she's changed her mind, as someone on the last page already pointed out.
Wasn't trying to start a retirement dedgaem hype train, I'd just managed to forget she was going to Korea and assumed she still had the same idea as at the end of 2013.
On March 14 2014 07:01 Mangooze wrote: I hope he is just trying to mess with his opponents and done some secret training last month to own at IEM tomorrow...
I can't help but to hope for that as well, as silly as it seems.
can't blame him. Blizzard just dropped the ball with HotS where they threw a good oppurtunity to really the get the game to a next level and hardly improved upon WoL.
On March 13 2014 22:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I don't think this has anything to do with balance. It's game design that makes the experience of playing less fun by a certain amount. Win or lose.
On March 14 2014 16:49 Markwerf wrote: can't blame him. Blizzard just dropped the ball with HotS where they threw a good oppurtunity to really the get the game to a next level and hardly improved upon WoL.
I disagree. Save for Swarm Host turtle parties, HotS is an improvement in almost every MU. PvZ wasn't good at the end of WoL either.
On March 14 2014 00:53 Fighter wrote: Man that's sad... It's been depressing seeing all the old stars slowly fall away or retire. But at least it always felt like there was a hope of Naniwa succeeding. Who's left now? Scarlett is arguably the only serious foreign hope, and isn't she taking a break too?
It felt like things were slowing down, but this feels like the last bit...
Not that SC2 is dead, but the era of foreigners seriously competing, the era of all the old greats. Bummer...
Yeah, Scarlett talked about possibly retiring sometime during 2014. Bummer indeed.
Have absolutely no idea where you got this info from; she said in the AMAA that she is NOT planning to retire for a long time. She doesn't even have any reason to; she's on top of her game and if she practices a little she literally stomps heads, korean or not.
Enough with the retirement hype train please, if Naniwa is retiring it doesn't mean half of pros are now considering it, it just means Naniwa is retiring, gl hf there are lots of other tremendously good players to keep the scene alive for the next 30 years
I got it from the interview she did a few months ago, at the end of 2013 (before Red Bull, as I recall), where she said that she was considering retirement - or at least not playing full time - next year (2014), since playing the game full time was becoming boring to her. You're right though, she's changed her mind, as someone on the last page already pointed out.
Wasn't trying to start a retirement dedgaem hype train, I'd just managed to forget she was going to Korea and assumed she still had the same idea as at the end of 2013.
She`s always had bad wrist issues. She said in an interview once she uses 2 fingers to click a mouse button. So I bet from time to time she needs to take breaks.
On March 14 2014 16:49 Markwerf wrote: can't blame him. Blizzard just dropped the ball with HotS where they threw a good oppurtunity to really the get the game to a next level and hardly improved upon WoL.
I disagree. Save for Swarm Host turtle parties, HotS is an improvement in almost every MU. PvZ wasn't good at the end of WoL either.
When static defence is a requirement for your army to stand a chance against certain compositions, I think that's bad.
On March 14 2014 16:49 Markwerf wrote: can't blame him. Blizzard just dropped the ball with HotS where they threw a good oppurtunity to really the get the game to a next level and hardly improved upon WoL.
I disagree. Save for Swarm Host turtle parties, HotS is an improvement in almost every MU. PvZ wasn't good at the end of WoL either.
Hmm I agree with this mostly but the overall improvement has been very mediocre. PvT I'd also say was better in WoL, it was largely the same as now minus the minor oracle and widow mine stuff but the game was more open because of no msc, T never opens aggression anymore. The rest did improve (though not so sure of TvT) but the improvements are very minor. Compared to late wol with the infestor problems yes but to before that hardly. All the new units were a failure in my eyes except the widow mine. Hellbat is a boring unit and mostly gone. Viper is fairly cool but it's vulnerability in general and weakness to HT make it of limited use. Swarm host is a terrible design. Msc is pretty crap too removing a lot of early action in matchups. Oracle is okish but just fills a role very similar to phoenix did before already, stargate play is still basically nonexistant in PvT besides the early play. Tempest is fine but mostly just a situational colossus counter. The good changes in hots were mostly those to old units. Reaper fix, hydra buffs, ultralisk change and infestor nerf were the best stuff they did which should have happened in WoL already.. ZvZ never evolved into something interesting other than roach wars ZvP improved quite a bit and is a great matchup now I think except for the swarm host wars. PvT is one of the worst matchups for a long time now I think because there is basically no variation in styles and it's mostly just one harassing while the other defends. ZvT is quite dynamic and probably forever the best matchup action wise. I still miss that 'next step' though in the final tech that is hard to get but so important eventually, like defilers for example. It's pretty much a tier 2 battle mostly with the last relevant tech being 3-3, viper and raven changes failed here i think. TvT is fairly good but mech play is still too bland, they should have fixed mech a long time ago in general AND made it fun. PvP improved a fair bit though it lacks too much in mid/lategame cool stuff. After the opening gambling it becomes a dull affair.
On March 13 2014 23:19 Pirfiktshon wrote: He'll be back ........they all come back eventually .....
When he realizes this while not perfect is still the most thrill you will ever get out of a video game....
Actually quite true.
SeleCt came back, Coca came back for a short time. Even Destiny did
Even MARINEKING did!
I for once am happy to see naniwa go. I never liked the guy, always whinning. Doesn't seem like a good person to me. But his personality was good for the foreign scene, i guess it's bad for sc2 that he ragequits like that
not a fan of naniwa at all, don't like his attitude, but it's petty to come in here and talk negatively about him as a person or his prospects for life
wishing failure or unhappiness on someone is never productive even if that person is sometimes negative or hurtful
On March 13 2014 18:21 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Overall great news,and Scarlett goes to Korea!Hell yeah!
Why is that?
Perhaps because of his less than pleasant personality. But apparently, obnoxiousness is considered a good thing for many people here.
Obnoxiousness is certainly not a good thing, but Naniwa's supposed obnoxiousness is vastly overstated by large parts of the community. He's certainly done some really douchey things, but while it's fair to criticize him for that, the community has at times been oversensitive and responded in a really toxic manner to even the smallest perceived transgressions from him (teased Idra on Twitter => complete sociopath, obv.).
I and many of his other fans feel that the bad things he's done are overshadowed by his dedication, hard-working mindset, and his accomplishments in the game. I'm not trying to say that winning tournaments automatically makes up for acting like a jerk, I just think there's more to him than someone who does stupid things every once in a while. Not liking his attitude is fair, but it's not accurate to imply that people like him just due to being obnoxious.
On March 14 2014 21:19 VieuxSinge wrote: I for once am happy to see naniwa go. I never liked the guy, always winning.
To all you who defended Nanifail in this thread, shame on you. Today he revealed his true colors. The only one I feel sorry for is his team, who got ripped off by this loser.
On March 16 2014 01:38 buddydota2 wrote: He will come back for sure... Anyway, what can he do for a living besides SC? Lol
He's from Sweden. Pretty sure they have a great and free education system there. Besides, what's the point of undercutting someone like that without any basis whatsoever? You don't know his life or his skills outside of SC2...
He may have behaved like an asshole, but it doesn't mean you should do the same. He certainly doesn't need your petty comments when he's brought enough embarrassment on himself already. You should probably save your obnoxious judgements and try to be a little more open minded.
On March 16 2014 01:38 buddydota2 wrote: He will come back for sure... Anyway, what can he do for a living besides SC? Lol
He's from Sweden. Pretty sure they have a great and free education system there. Besides, what's the point of undercutting someone like that without any basis whatsoever? You don't know his life or his skills outside of SC2...
He may have behaved like an asshole, but it doesn't mean you should do the same. He certainly doesn't need your petty comments when he's brought enough embarrassment on himself already. You should probably save your obnoxious judgements and try to be a little more open minded.
He made his bed now he can lie in it. You deal with the outcomes of your choices, people who behave like assholes dont deserve to be treated like they arent one.
On March 16 2014 01:38 buddydota2 wrote: He will come back for sure... Anyway, what can he do for a living besides SC? Lol
He's from Sweden. Pretty sure they have a great and free education system there. Besides, what's the point of undercutting someone like that without any basis whatsoever? You don't know his life or his skills outside of SC2...
He may have behaved like an asshole, but it doesn't mean you should do the same. He certainly doesn't need your petty comments when he's brought enough embarrassment on himself already. You should probably save your obnoxious judgements and try to be a little more open minded.
He made his bed now he can lie in it. You deal with the outcomes of your choices, people who behave like assholes dont deserve to be treated like they arent one.
I actually liked naniwa though, so gg dude, cya.
He may have been complete asshole, but yet he is more succesful foreign protoss player than any one else. What makes you think he can not success in other things even though he would continue acting like a douche bag?
Succesful people don´t necessarily have to be the nicest ones.
It's sad to see the community response to one of the great foreigners leaving the scene, but NaNiwa's behavior over the last few days has been completely out of line. There are much better ways to leave a community that has supported you for three years than rage-quitting a tournament and never playing again. While his complaints about the equipment provided may have been valid, no other player has complained that a proxy or all-in failed due to crowd noise. The closest remarks to verify are Polt saying that he could hear the voices of the casters in the post-match interview, but even when Polt was eliminated he did not blame faulty setup. At the end of the day, NaNiwa's complaints only hold water if he showed a dedicated interest in the tournament. Through his Twitter posts, he made it very clear that he did not expect great success and had given up practice or even casual playing, making his comments post-forfeit that he didn't see the point in competing due to the soundproofing Issue (on Twitter) seem like a poor excuse for his frustration and forfeit. Disrespecting tournament staff and all members of the community through a follow-up post crosses the line of common decency and ensures he lose support by all but a few dedicated fanboys. I hope to see him succeed in whatever he chooses to move on to, but hope sincerely that he better learns how to control himself to avoid isolating himself from a fanbase that truly cares for his success. GL in your future, NaNiwa. It was a blast while it lasted.
"im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything"
The thing is, i never liked NaNiwa because of his behaviour but respeceted him as player, but this tweet is just disgusting. There are really people that supported him and thats what he says to the people that supported him through the last 3 years. Its kinda sad.
It's hard to be a fan of Naniwa when he behaves the way he does. This was the last straw for me. I hope he leaves and never comes back. I'd rather support someone who actually enjoys the game and respects his fans. I just don't know of any other foreigner protoss that has the skills to win a tournament that is dominated by Koreans.
On March 16 2014 08:24 EXRNaRa wrote: "im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything"
The thing is, i never liked NaNiwa because of his behaviour but respeceted him as player, but this tweet is just disgusting. There are really people that supported him and thats what he says to the people that supported him through the last 3 years. Its kinda sad.
Why do you think you are owed something just because you "support" someone.....
He said he doesn't care at all about the community, so why would you think he owes YOU anything lol?
So many self-entitled people in this thread who believe they matter or need to be accomodated by pro players. The only thing Naniwa is guilty of is lack of professionalism, but as hes retiring; its pretty irrelevant for him (last day at work mentality).
On March 16 2014 08:24 EXRNaRa wrote: "im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything"
The thing is, i never liked NaNiwa because of his behaviour but respeceted him as player, but this tweet is just disgusting. There are really people that supported him and thats what he says to the people that supported him through the last 3 years. Its kinda sad.
I have to agree with obsidia here.
There was no contract or deal made between you (the fans) and Naniwa (the player), so he is sort of right in what he says. He never asked for anything that his viewers or even fans gave him, so he should not feel obligated to "give them" anything. Obviously, it would be nicer to the community if he played things a bit smoother, but hey, he's done with the game, and this is a nice way to seal his fate with it!
He owes his fans all the money, trips and experiences he got. Without them he would be just another nobody, with a bad attitude problem. e-Sports is an *entertainment* industry.
On March 16 2014 08:24 EXRNaRa wrote: "im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything"
The thing is, i never liked NaNiwa because of his behaviour but respeceted him as player, but this tweet is just disgusting. There are really people that supported him and thats what he says to the people that supported him through the last 3 years. Its kinda sad.
Why do you think you are owed something just because you "support" someone.....
He said he doesn't care at all about the community, so why would you think he owes YOU anything lol?
So many self-entitled people in this thread who believe they matter or need to be accomodated by pro players. The only thing Naniwa is guilty of is lack of professionalism, but as hes retiring; its pretty irrelevant for him (last day at work mentality).
He does owe fans one thing, respect. As both an player and a human being. The people who watched, follow and cheered for him are owed at the very least his respect, nothing more, or less.
On March 16 2014 08:24 EXRNaRa wrote: "im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything"
The thing is, i never liked NaNiwa because of his behaviour but respeceted him as player, but this tweet is just disgusting. There are really people that supported him and thats what he says to the people that supported him through the last 3 years. Its kinda sad.
Why do you think you are owed something just because you "support" someone.....
He said he doesn't care at all about the community, so why would you think he owes YOU anything lol?
So many self-entitled people in this thread who believe they matter or need to be accomodated by pro players. The only thing Naniwa is guilty of is lack of professionalism, but as hes retiring; its pretty irrelevant for him (last day at work mentality).
because without fans providing eyeballs and paying for subs, sponsors would not pay money to support players, and tournaments would not exist. DUH. like seriously, how dense do you have to be to not even see that. naniwa just digging his own grave further. if i were an employer, i would never hire him for a job either, he has a shit attitude.
now stop trying to defend his bitch made behavior. the only disgusting thing here are his actions.
It's weird how David Kim in his reddit Q&A says that blizzard is balancing with caution as pro-gamers lives are on the line, when so many pro-gamers are complaining about the state of the game in unison. It just goes to show how out of touch the Blizzard is with the Starcraft 2 community.
People wonder why the sc2 community is 'negative', well being a long time can of sc2 for 3 years it's so infuriating when you ask for really simple things that can be fixed, such as improved social interaction in the sc2 client, fixing the monstrosity that is the arcade, improved support for ESPORTS, more tools for observers, and you keep hearing excuses for why it can't be done while other newer games blitz into the scene and get it right.
It makes me really sad to see Naniwa's current toxic mentality. There were a lot of people that supported Naniwa throughout his career (I got to meet and play vs him at an MLG and thought he was a pretty cool person IRL and became a fan), but his focus is on the people who shit talk him and he lashes out against them, causing him to get more people who dislike / shit talk him ect. I really feel like he brought all this negativety surrounding him upon himself, because if you just spend your time thanking those fans who appreciate what you do rather than complaining about those who dont you'll get more postive and less negative feedback over time. He's such a hard working person it really makes me sad for him to walk away from this community feeling like his effort has been wasted except for the money he has earned.
On March 17 2014 16:45 lisward wrote: It's weird how David Kim in his reddit Q&A says that blizzard is balancing with caution as pro-gamers lives are on the line, when so many pro-gamers are complaining about the state of the game in unison. It just goes to show how out of touch the Blizzard is with the Starcraft 2 community.
People wonder why the sc2 community is 'negative', well being a long time can of sc2 for 3 years it's so infuriating when you ask for really simple things that can be fixed, such as improved social interaction in the sc2 client, fixing the monstrosity that is the arcade, improved support for ESPORTS, more tools for observers, and you keep hearing excuses for why it can't be done while other newer games blitz into the scene and get it right.
I find the games them self to be the biggest issue. How fun is it to watch PvT nowadays ? The only fun is that terran is the underdog. Also, FF and Timewarp so frustrating to watch, renders micro of the other part useless. I have given up on this game a long time now, but I still have hope that it can be better.
Naniwa isn't the first to say that this community is disgusting. I think the community is what it is, because it's a symptom of our fucking frustration with watching the games.
Of course, the game is broken and not as fun to play/ watch like it used to be. And he is mad about this issue. Blizzard doesn't seem to care. Some people annoyed him.
He simply exploded. Happens to everyone in life. And everyone who takes his posts from the weekend personally: get over it.
Naniwa plays for himself. It's not like the post is something new. Seeing someone explode could even help the community.
On March 17 2014 16:45 lisward wrote: It's weird how David Kim in his reddit Q&A says that blizzard is balancing with caution as pro-gamers lives are on the line, when so many pro-gamers are complaining about the state of the game in unison. It just goes to show how out of touch the Blizzard is with the Starcraft 2 community.
Or how schizophrenic the commuity is - not too long ago we were the ones clamoring for small balance changes and letting the meta balance the game, and now...?
On March 17 2014 16:45 lisward wrote: It's weird how David Kim in his reddit Q&A says that blizzard is balancing with caution as pro-gamers lives are on the line, when so many pro-gamers are complaining about the state of the game in unison. It just goes to show how out of touch the Blizzard is with the Starcraft 2 community.
On March 13 2014 03:28 Naniwa wrote: my team gave me a great contract, its not about money for those who wonder. i am taking a break untill i get motivation back but if that doesnt happen then ofcourse i wont continue. i just dont like the game anymore and i feel like blizzard will take a super long time to fix it. i am tired of complaining about it so instead i just choose this instead
Apparently it wasn't about "lives [...] on the line". Naniwa just wasn't satisfied with the game anymore. And as many here are claiming that he doesn't owe anything to the audience or the community, etc. then I guess Blizzards doesn't owe him anything either. If he doesn't like to play anymore then he should have said goodbye without making himself unpopular.
To the people saying that the fans are owed nothing, I've been pondering that without a fanbase for sc2, Naniwa wouldn't of had any of these opportunities to travel, compete for serious prize money, and have a salary from his team.
So with that in mind, are we actually entitled to anything as fans? Should we be?
On March 17 2014 23:18 TBone- wrote: To the people saying that the fans are owed nothing, I've been pondering that without a fanbase for sc2, Naniwa wouldn't of had any of these opportunities to travel, compete for serious prize money, and have a salary from his team.
So with that in mind, are we actually entitled to anything as fans? Should we be?
There was a pretty good post by Nazgul (or maybe Chill?) about how eSports is not a charity. You don't donate / sub to players / tournaments in the hope that the scene gets better. You do it because you enjoy what they're doing.
It's kind of the same deal with cheering for someone. You do it because you enjoy their gameplay (or whatever), not because of what you can get back.
Of course this doesn't mean that fans are meaningless or without feelings when someone blows them off. It's bad form even if fans aren't actually owed them anything (they *chose* to give support after all). Trashing the fanbase (even if it was sarcastic) is what got Idra canned from EG after all, it's just tacky and unprofessional.
To clarify I don't think that's what Naniwa was trying to do in his tweet, I think he just let the haters get to him (and I'm sure there's a lot more from his meltdown / throw at IEM). That's really been his problem, always focusing on the wrong things IMO, not that it's easy when you're as polarizing as Naniwa.
EPT
NaNiwa has revealed that he will be taking an indefinite break from StarCraft 2. He cited a lack of enjoyment of the game as a reason. Though NaNiwa did not rule out a return, he did not confirm one either. 
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........they all come back eventually ..... 
