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WCS Europe's Group F saw a duo of fan-favorites in  Liquid`TLO and  Grubby advance to the Ro16. Genius, a semifinalist in the previous WCS season, was unable to clear the hurdle of cross server lag and fell out in third place.  Kas, Empire's long-tenured Ukrainian Terran, failed to break the Ro32 barrier in his third WCS Premier League try.
TLO advanced in first place by playing solely ZvP's, the match-up he called his best in the post-match interview. The only loss TLO suffered on the night was at the hands of Genius' gateway all-in on Daedalus Point.
Grubby's journey to the Ro16 was much more difficult and prolonged. After suffering a 0-2 defeat to TLO in his first match, Grubby fought a nail-biting elimination series agaisnt Kas in the loser's match. Game two on Heavy Rain ended up being the highlight game of the night, with Kas just barely winning a semi-base trade after forty in-game minutes. Kas then very nearly eliminated Grubby in the following game after holding off a proxy-oracle all-in, but Grubby managed to pull off a risky double-expansion to eventually win in the late game.
After surviving an elimination scare at the hands of Kas, Grubby followed it up by immediately going down 0-1 against Genius in the final match of the night. However, Grubby was able to rally back and take the series 2-1 and claim his Ro16 spot.
Players Qualified for Ro16
 Protoss (6): MC, BabyKnight, San, BlinG, StarDust, Grubby
 Terran (3): Bunny, jjakji, Dayshi
 Zerg (3): Nerchio, VortiX, TLO
Next game day:
Group G: Mvp, Snute, HasuObs, FireCake
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On March 03 2014 17:26 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
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edit, all good lol!!
Anyways this group very well could take 37 days to play out if Swarm Hosts and Siege Tanks and Death balls collide!
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TLO is so much better than he use to be, just waiting for him to finally break out!
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On March 03 2014 17:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 17:26 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
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Group G isn't for over a month??? What the hell!
Yeah it's a shame but it's because there's quite a few other events going on right now also for WCS Points. WCS Katowice, TeamStory Cup and I'm sure I'm missing some other ones.
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TLO!TLO!TLO! and also: GRUBBY! :D
I really thought Kas and Genius would make it though. My liquibets fails once again.
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That description makes it sound like the only thing standing between Genius and Grubby was cross server lag. That's simply not the case. There were no major hiccups by Genius due to latency, Grubby won by playing better than him.
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On March 03 2014 17:32 mki wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 17:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:On March 03 2014 17:26 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
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Group G isn't for over a month??? What the hell! Yeah it's a shame but it's because there's quite a few other events going on right now also for WCS Points. WCS Katowice, TeamStory Cup and I'm sure I'm missing some other ones.
Liquipedia and the counter at the TL sidebar both say it's in 1 D 8 H. They probably just made a mistake in the article.
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Pretty happy for grubby! 
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EUROPE HOLD !
Haha ! :D
Happy for TLO, but though Genius would make it, bah 
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On March 03 2014 17:32 mki wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 17:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:On March 03 2014 17:26 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
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Group G isn't for over a month??? What the hell! Yeah it's a shame but it's because there's quite a few other events going on right now also for WCS Points. WCS Katowice, TeamStory Cup and I'm sure I'm missing some other ones.
uh no, they wouldnt make these kind of exceptions for 8 people (group g+h) in an online qualifier. it is very very likely a mistake in the article. liquipedia says its tomorrow.
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. Genius, a semifinalist in the previous WCS season, was unable to clear the hurdle of cross server lag and fell out in third place
Am I the only one who really dislikes these statements? We had the same in previous previews and recaps: Sure the cross server lag is an issue for those playing from Korea. But first of all it is their own decission to play in WCS EU from KR. However what I get more irritated about: again it isn't even considered that they were simply beaten because others played better. Apparantly the idea what a European beats a high level Korean is so weird that it must be lag, it cannot possibly be just skill.
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Genius beat Grubby 2-1 in WCS Season 3 groups last year. Nice to see Grubby turn it around!
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On March 03 2014 17:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 17:26 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
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Group G isn't for over a month??? What the hell!
I'm tempted to make a FireCake joke.
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On March 03 2014 17:49 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +. Genius, a semifinalist in the previous WCS season, was unable to clear the hurdle of cross server lag and fell out in third place Am I the only one who really dislikes these statements? We had the same in previous previews and recaps: Sure the cross server lag is an issue for those playing from Korea. But first of all it is their own decission to play in WCS EU from KR. However what I get more irritated about: again it isn't even considered that they were simply beaten because others played better. Apparantly the idea what a European beats a high level Korean is so weird that it must be lag, it cannot possibly be just skill.
I totally agree... I get it that last year our hopes of a foreigner champion were destroyed, but can we have a more positive mindset now? Can we say - Europe holds!!! - instead of - our fate is doomed no matter what? 
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On March 03 2014 18:01 Spect8rCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 17:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:On March 03 2014 17:26 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
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Group G isn't for over a month??? What the hell! I'm tempted to make a FireCake joke.
Exactly! They start tomorrow and finish in 37 days. ^^
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Not just FireCake though, Snute also does Swarm Host, HasuObs is the most defensive player ever and MVP has also been one of the Terrans that consistently have done well, with not going all out balls to the wall aggressive.
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On March 03 2014 18:21 Nightwishone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 17:49 Sissors wrote:. Genius, a semifinalist in the previous WCS season, was unable to clear the hurdle of cross server lag and fell out in third place Am I the only one who really dislikes these statements? We had the same in previous previews and recaps: Sure the cross server lag is an issue for those playing from Korea. But first of all it is their own decission to play in WCS EU from KR. However what I get more irritated about: again it isn't even considered that they were simply beaten because others played better. Apparantly the idea what a European beats a high level Korean is so weird that it must be lag, it cannot possibly be just skill. I totally agree... I get it that last year our hopes of a foreigner champion were destroyed, but can we have a more positive mindset now? Can we say - Europe holds!!! - instead of - our fate is doomed no matter what?
Couldn't agree more just well played by both of them (Grubby and TLO). They worked hard for that so lets not talk about lag, lets talk about progression !
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On March 03 2014 17:43 Pangpootata wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 17:32 mki wrote:On March 03 2014 17:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:On March 03 2014 17:26 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
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Group G isn't for over a month??? What the hell! Yeah it's a shame but it's because there's quite a few other events going on right now also for WCS Points. WCS Katowice, TeamStory Cup and I'm sure I'm missing some other ones. Liquipedia and the counter at the TL sidebar both say it's in 1 D 8 H. They probably just made a mistake in the article.
I broke the date parser :[
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On March 03 2014 19:00 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 17:43 Pangpootata wrote:On March 03 2014 17:32 mki wrote:On March 03 2014 17:28 Orcasgt24 wrote:On March 03 2014 17:26 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
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Group G isn't for over a month??? What the hell! Yeah it's a shame but it's because there's quite a few other events going on right now also for WCS Points. WCS Katowice, TeamStory Cup and I'm sure I'm missing some other ones. Liquipedia and the counter at the TL sidebar both say it's in 1 D 8 H. They probably just made a mistake in the article. I broke the date parser :[
Waxangel, y u do dis?
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I saw all 3 games in grubby vs Genius and i think the cross server lag is an issue but its not the big point. Grubby just played better!
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Well, cross-server lack certainly affects the relevant player both ingame and also in terms of strat selection as you are forced to play styles that are less reliant on micro (TLO said in the winners interview that he kinda knew that Genius had to rely on all ins/cheese). In the PVPs vs Grubby it was obvious that Genius just tried to build up a maxed out deathball as in this case it`s just important to set up a nice concave.
However, cross-server lag shouldn`t be brought up as an excuse for some reasons:
1) you can minimize the impact of it by getting somewhat used to playing it (Hyun is a good example)
2) unlike some Kespa stars, it`s not obvious whether Genius is in fact that much better skillwise as he had no official games in the last months
3) most of Genuis`losses simply came down to bad decision making (think of G3 vs TLO)
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EUROPE HOLDS!!
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On March 03 2014 17:49 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +. Genius, a semifinalist in the previous WCS season, was unable to clear the hurdle of cross server lag and fell out in third place Am I the only one who really dislikes these statements? We had the same in previous previews and recaps: Sure the cross server lag is an issue for those playing from Korea. But first of all it is their own decission to play in WCS EU from KR. However what I get more irritated about: again it isn't even considered that they were simply beaten because others played better. Apparantly the idea what a European beats a high level Korean is so weird that it must be lag, it cannot possibly be just skill.
This argument is so stupid. Who ever said that it wasn't Genius' decision to play in WCS EU from KR?
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On March 03 2014 19:51 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Well, cross-server lack certainly affects the relevant player both ingame and also in terms of strat selection as you are forced to play styles that are less reliant on micro (TLO said in the winners interview that he kinda knew that Genius had to rely on all ins/cheese). In the PVPs vs Grubby it was obvious that Genius just tried to build up a maxed out deathball as in this case it`s just important to set up a nice concave.
However, cross-server lag shouldn`t be brought up as an excuse for some reasons:
1) you can minimize the impact of it by getting somewhat used to playing it (Hyun is a good example)
2) unlike some Kespa stars, it`s not obvious whether Genius is in fact that much better skillwise as he had no official games in the last months
3) most of Genuis`losses simply came down to bad decision making (think of G3 vs TLO)
Agreed, but we also know that Wax is kind of biased toward Koreans and for the most part thinks foreigners are crap (and since I am pretty sure he wrote this...).
Congrats to Grubby and TLO for advancing and keeping our hopes alive!!
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Western Europeans prevail
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On March 03 2014 19:51 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Well, cross-server lack certainly affects the relevant player both ingame and also in terms of strat selection as you are forced to play styles that are less reliant on micro (TLO said in the winners interview that he kinda knew that Genius had to rely on all ins/cheese). In the PVPs vs Grubby it was obvious that Genius just tried to build up a maxed out deathball as in this case it`s just important to set up a nice concave.
However, cross-server lag shouldn`t be brought up as an excuse for some reasons:
1) you can minimize the impact of it by getting somewhat used to playing it (Hyun is a good example)
2) unlike some Kespa stars, it`s not obvious whether Genius is in fact that much better skillwise as he had no official games in the last months
3) most of Genuis`losses simply came down to bad decision making (think of G3 vs TLO)
In game 2 against Grubby he had a terrible engagement as well clumping up all his colossus.
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Both foreigners really shined, Grubby for his resilience and ability to rally back from some tough loses and TLO for just pure Zerg awesomeness.
Can't wait for the round of 16, I think either could go all the way!!
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On March 03 2014 18:44 mouzChase wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 18:21 Nightwishone wrote:On March 03 2014 17:49 Sissors wrote:. Genius, a semifinalist in the previous WCS season, was unable to clear the hurdle of cross server lag and fell out in third place Am I the only one who really dislikes these statements? We had the same in previous previews and recaps: Sure the cross server lag is an issue for those playing from Korea. But first of all it is their own decission to play in WCS EU from KR. However what I get more irritated about: again it isn't even considered that they were simply beaten because others played better. Apparantly the idea what a European beats a high level Korean is so weird that it must be lag, it cannot possibly be just skill. I totally agree... I get it that last year our hopes of a foreigner champion were destroyed, but can we have a more positive mindset now? Can we say - Europe holds!!! - instead of - our fate is doomed no matter what? Couldn't agree more just well played by both of them (Grubby and TLO). They worked hard for that so lets not talk about lag, lets talk about progression !
I do think though that it's good to mention that there is lag there. If nothing else, it serves to inform people and to maybe spur blizz to do what they can about it. Obviously saying that that is the ONLY reason Genius lost is not ok, but mentioning the server lag is a good thing.
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On March 03 2014 23:56 Hez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 18:44 mouzChase wrote:On March 03 2014 18:21 Nightwishone wrote:On March 03 2014 17:49 Sissors wrote:. Genius, a semifinalist in the previous WCS season, was unable to clear the hurdle of cross server lag and fell out in third place Am I the only one who really dislikes these statements? We had the same in previous previews and recaps: Sure the cross server lag is an issue for those playing from Korea. But first of all it is their own decission to play in WCS EU from KR. However what I get more irritated about: again it isn't even considered that they were simply beaten because others played better. Apparantly the idea what a European beats a high level Korean is so weird that it must be lag, it cannot possibly be just skill. I totally agree... I get it that last year our hopes of a foreigner champion were destroyed, but can we have a more positive mindset now? Can we say - Europe holds!!! - instead of - our fate is doomed no matter what? Couldn't agree more just well played by both of them (Grubby and TLO). They worked hard for that so lets not talk about lag, lets talk about progression ! I do think though that it's good to mention that there is lag there. If nothing else, it serves to inform people and to maybe spur blizz to do what they can about it. Obviously saying that that is the ONLY reason Genius lost is not ok, but mentioning the server lag is a good thing.
What does Blizzard do about it? Make WCS Europe be played on the home server of the non-european for every other game? That would completely defeat the whole Europe part of WCS Europe. Or do they fix the whole issue that there is a huge distance between the two parties? The only thing they can do is force genius to have to travel to Europe, which he already had that choice and chose not to.
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Really good job by both, really happy for them.
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I share the opinion that server lag should not be apointed like a big factor for a korean loss, the games shows it, foreigners were better this time.
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On March 03 2014 23:56 Hez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 18:44 mouzChase wrote:On March 03 2014 18:21 Nightwishone wrote:On March 03 2014 17:49 Sissors wrote:. Genius, a semifinalist in the previous WCS season, was unable to clear the hurdle of cross server lag and fell out in third place Am I the only one who really dislikes these statements? We had the same in previous previews and recaps: Sure the cross server lag is an issue for those playing from Korea. But first of all it is their own decission to play in WCS EU from KR. However what I get more irritated about: again it isn't even considered that they were simply beaten because others played better. Apparantly the idea what a European beats a high level Korean is so weird that it must be lag, it cannot possibly be just skill. I totally agree... I get it that last year our hopes of a foreigner champion were destroyed, but can we have a more positive mindset now? Can we say - Europe holds!!! - instead of - our fate is doomed no matter what? Couldn't agree more just well played by both of them (Grubby and TLO). They worked hard for that so lets not talk about lag, lets talk about progression ! I do think though that it's good to mention that there is lag there. If nothing else, it serves to inform people and to maybe spur blizz to do what they can about it. Obviously saying that that is the ONLY reason Genius lost is not ok, but mentioning the server lag is a good thing.
Well, that is what Waxangel does, he literally claims that lag is the ONLY reason WCS EU is not overrun by Koreans like WCS AM for example here: WCS EU - Ro32 Group D Preview (Season 1) Repeating such statements or similar ones is certainly disrespectful to EU players, and it makes Waxangle (and whoever else states this on TL) look rather ignorant and/or arrogant, especially seeing how many Koreans based in Europe as well as Korea that failed to make it to PL Group stage 2 so far. Please put some effort in explaining why people won/lost crucial maps (e.g.: San microing like a boss to keep his immortals alive with his warp prism against Miniraser) instead of putting it down to lag, because yeah, it is getting really old now and I don't particularly care to read more of such statements in the future. Hell, I bet people in EU can have severe lag too on a bad day, you don't have to sit in Korea for that.
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So happy for TLO and Grubby! Both of them have stepped up their game tremendously over the last several months.
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I really hope that this can be the year of TLO <3
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TLO! TLO! TLO!
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Gratz to Grubby and Kaz for a hell of an exciting series!
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On March 04 2014 02:52 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 23:56 Hez wrote:On March 03 2014 18:44 mouzChase wrote:On March 03 2014 18:21 Nightwishone wrote:On March 03 2014 17:49 Sissors wrote:. Genius, a semifinalist in the previous WCS season, was unable to clear the hurdle of cross server lag and fell out in third place Am I the only one who really dislikes these statements? We had the same in previous previews and recaps: Sure the cross server lag is an issue for those playing from Korea. But first of all it is their own decission to play in WCS EU from KR. However what I get more irritated about: again it isn't even considered that they were simply beaten because others played better. Apparantly the idea what a European beats a high level Korean is so weird that it must be lag, it cannot possibly be just skill. I totally agree... I get it that last year our hopes of a foreigner champion were destroyed, but can we have a more positive mindset now? Can we say - Europe holds!!! - instead of - our fate is doomed no matter what? Couldn't agree more just well played by both of them (Grubby and TLO). They worked hard for that so lets not talk about lag, lets talk about progression ! I do think though that it's good to mention that there is lag there. If nothing else, it serves to inform people and to maybe spur blizz to do what they can about it. Obviously saying that that is the ONLY reason Genius lost is not ok, but mentioning the server lag is a good thing. Well, that is what Waxangel does, he literally claims that lag is the ONLY reason WCS EU is not overrun by Koreans like WCS AM for example here: WCS EU - Ro32 Group D Preview (Season 1) Repeating such statements or similar ones is certainly disrespectful to EU players, and it makes Waxangle (and whoever else states this on TL) look rather ignorant and/or arrogant, especially seeing how many Koreans based in Europe as well as Korea that failed to make it to PL Group stage 2 so far. Please put some effort in explaining why people won/lost crucial maps (e.g.: San microing like a boss to keep his immortals alive with his warp prism against Miniraser) instead of putting it down to lag, because yeah, it is getting really old now and I don't particularly care to read more of such statements in the future. Hell, I bet people in EU can have severe lag too on a bad day, you don't have to sit in Korea for that.
Exactly why I made that post, this isn't exactly the first time the lag is given as primary reason for Koreans losing. Mentioning it could have played a role is fine, but just blaming everything on it is imo disrespectful to the non-Koreans, and you don't gain anything by it.
Just judge them on how they played.
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YEEEES nice one little one gratz xD
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Stop being soft and seeing what you want to see. The lag is there. We all play starcraft and most of us have played cross server and know first hand whats up. So this segment of the foreigner community wanting us to pretend that cross server lag isnt a huge fucking issue at that level is pathetic. Wax didnt take away anything from their accomplishments he called it like it is. To me, and I maybe wrong, you guys seem like the biased ones in your interpretation of the article.
TLO and Grubby sure dont need you complaining for extra brownie points for them they are more than capable of beating Koreans at lans and we all know it stop being soft. How are we going to ever catch the Koreans in skill when youre literally willing to hide behind a wall of lag? Its not like they fear coming to your IEMS and Dreamhacks and taking foreigner money? God we are like prey to them with this thought process.
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TLO deserves every bit of this group win.
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On March 04 2014 07:19 LibertyRises wrote:
Stop being soft and seeing what you want to see. The lag is there. We all play starcraft and most of us have played cross server and know first hand whats up. So this segment of the foreigner community wanting us to pretend that cross server lag isnt a huge fucking issue at that level is pathetic. Wax didnt take away anything from their accomplishments he called it like it is. To me, and I maybe wrong, you guys seem like the biased ones in your interpretation of the article.
TLO and Grubby sure dont need you complaining for extra brownie points for them they are more than capable of beating Koreans at lans and we all know it stop being soft. How are we going to ever catch the Koreans in skill when youre literally willing to hide behind a wall of lag? Its not like they fear coming to your IEMS and Dreamhacks and taking foreigner money? God we are like prey to them with this thought process.
You know I can turn your entire post around where you are always willing to hide behind lag? It just isn't an option in yout thought process that a Korean pro can be beaten by a non-Korean. It must be lag. Anything else is simply not an option for you. To me you seem to be incredibly biased.
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On March 04 2014 21:37 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 07:19 LibertyRises wrote:
Stop being soft and seeing what you want to see. The lag is there. We all play starcraft and most of us have played cross server and know first hand whats up. So this segment of the foreigner community wanting us to pretend that cross server lag isnt a huge fucking issue at that level is pathetic. Wax didnt take away anything from their accomplishments he called it like it is. To me, and I maybe wrong, you guys seem like the biased ones in your interpretation of the article.
TLO and Grubby sure dont need you complaining for extra brownie points for them they are more than capable of beating Koreans at lans and we all know it stop being soft. How are we going to ever catch the Koreans in skill when youre literally willing to hide behind a wall of lag? Its not like they fear coming to your IEMS and Dreamhacks and taking foreigner money? God we are like prey to them with this thought process.
You know I can turn your entire post around where you are always willing to hide behind lag? It just isn't an option in yout thought process that a Korean pro can be beaten by a non-Korean. It must be lag. Anything else is simply not an option for you. To me you seem to be incredibly biased.
cross server lag is huge on the performance of the player.
especially between EU and KR server, depends on your isp, sometimes you can even have random stutters on top of lag too.
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On March 04 2014 21:37 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 07:19 LibertyRises wrote:
Stop being soft and seeing what you want to see. The lag is there. We all play starcraft and most of us have played cross server and know first hand whats up. So this segment of the foreigner community wanting us to pretend that cross server lag isnt a huge fucking issue at that level is pathetic. Wax didnt take away anything from their accomplishments he called it like it is. To me, and I maybe wrong, you guys seem like the biased ones in your interpretation of the article.
TLO and Grubby sure dont need you complaining for extra brownie points for them they are more than capable of beating Koreans at lans and we all know it stop being soft. How are we going to ever catch the Koreans in skill when youre literally willing to hide behind a wall of lag? Its not like they fear coming to your IEMS and Dreamhacks and taking foreigner money? God we are like prey to them with this thought process.
You know I can turn your entire post around where you are always willing to hide behind lag? It just isn't an option in yout thought process that a Korean pro can be beaten by a non-Korean. It must be lag. Anything else is simply not an option for you. To me you seem to be incredibly biased.
He literally wrote the opposite in the post you just quoted.
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On March 04 2014 21:37 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 07:19 LibertyRises wrote:
Stop being soft and seeing what you want to see. The lag is there. We all play starcraft and most of us have played cross server and know first hand whats up. So this segment of the foreigner community wanting us to pretend that cross server lag isnt a huge fucking issue at that level is pathetic. Wax didnt take away anything from their accomplishments he called it like it is. To me, and I maybe wrong, you guys seem like the biased ones in your interpretation of the article.
TLO and Grubby sure dont need you complaining for extra brownie points for them they are more than capable of beating Koreans at lans and we all know it stop being soft. How are we going to ever catch the Koreans in skill when youre literally willing to hide behind a wall of lag? Its not like they fear coming to your IEMS and Dreamhacks and taking foreigner money? God we are like prey to them with this thought process.
You know I can turn your entire post around where you are always willing to hide behind lag? It just isn't an option in yout thought process that a Korean pro can be beaten by a non-Korean. It must be lag. Anything else is simply not an option for you. To me you seem to be incredibly biased.
Beating Genius with cross server lag is nothing TLO or Grubby would bother bragging about. I might go even further and say they would expect to beat him without it (or at least fancy their chances) their skill levels are all pretty similar Id say. People can take what they want from someone elses statements and it is my opinion the way you interpreted it would reflect the opinion of insecure and soft side of the foreign community.
I think foreigners can compete with Koreans if they truly believe, dig in, and try to construct an environment in the western e sports climate to rival that of Korea. But it takes hard work, and a lot of structural development. Oh, and there wont be time for back patting after beating a Korean cross server because we should EXPECT victory under those circumstances. Anything suggesting any less shows we need to step the fuck up and be rid of this defeatist attitude.
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Noone bragged about them beating Genius. In fact, a top foreigner winning vs a tier 2 Korean is not that spectacular. Instead the discussion evolved around a statement that did attribute the responsibility of Genius` loss in the first place to cross server lag and not to his bad decision making.
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On March 04 2014 22:17 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 21:37 Sissors wrote:On March 04 2014 07:19 LibertyRises wrote:
Stop being soft and seeing what you want to see. The lag is there. We all play starcraft and most of us have played cross server and know first hand whats up. So this segment of the foreigner community wanting us to pretend that cross server lag isnt a huge fucking issue at that level is pathetic. Wax didnt take away anything from their accomplishments he called it like it is. To me, and I maybe wrong, you guys seem like the biased ones in your interpretation of the article.
TLO and Grubby sure dont need you complaining for extra brownie points for them they are more than capable of beating Koreans at lans and we all know it stop being soft. How are we going to ever catch the Koreans in skill when youre literally willing to hide behind a wall of lag? Its not like they fear coming to your IEMS and Dreamhacks and taking foreigner money? God we are like prey to them with this thought process.
You know I can turn your entire post around where you are always willing to hide behind lag? It just isn't an option in yout thought process that a Korean pro can be beaten by a non-Korean. It must be lag. Anything else is simply not an option for you. To me you seem to be incredibly biased. He literally wrote the opposite in the post you just quoted.
You know that is exactly the point of my post? That is why I mentioned the 'turning around' part. That his logic could be turned around against him, which is pretty much the definition of the writing the opposite.
opinion of insecure and soft side of the foreign community.
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Anything suggesting any less shows we need to step the fuck up and be rid of this defeatist attitude.
The fans of non-Koreans aren't the ones who feel so insecure that everytime one loses they have to blame lag, jetlag, the length of their network cable or a bad mouse. That is fully on the Korean-fans side.
Same for defeatist attitude, that is completely coming from you, where the only reason a non-Korean beats a Korean is because of lag. That is the definition of a defeatist attitude.
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On March 05 2014 02:12 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 22:17 Nebuchad wrote:On March 04 2014 21:37 Sissors wrote:On March 04 2014 07:19 LibertyRises wrote:
Stop being soft and seeing what you want to see. The lag is there. We all play starcraft and most of us have played cross server and know first hand whats up. So this segment of the foreigner community wanting us to pretend that cross server lag isnt a huge fucking issue at that level is pathetic. Wax didnt take away anything from their accomplishments he called it like it is. To me, and I maybe wrong, you guys seem like the biased ones in your interpretation of the article.
TLO and Grubby sure dont need you complaining for extra brownie points for them they are more than capable of beating Koreans at lans and we all know it stop being soft. How are we going to ever catch the Koreans in skill when youre literally willing to hide behind a wall of lag? Its not like they fear coming to your IEMS and Dreamhacks and taking foreigner money? God we are like prey to them with this thought process.
You know I can turn your entire post around where you are always willing to hide behind lag? It just isn't an option in yout thought process that a Korean pro can be beaten by a non-Korean. It must be lag. Anything else is simply not an option for you. To me you seem to be incredibly biased. He literally wrote the opposite in the post you just quoted. You know that is exactly the point of my post? That is why I mentioned the 'turning around' part. That his logic could be turned around against him, which is pretty much the definition of the writing the opposite. Show nested quote +opinion of insecure and soft side of the foreign community.
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Anything suggesting any less shows we need to step the fuck up and be rid of this defeatist attitude.
The fans of non-Koreans aren't the ones who feel so insecure that everytime one loses they have to blame lag, jetlag, the length of their network cable or a bad mouse. That is fully on the Korean-fans side. Same for defeatist attitude, that is completely coming from you, where the only reason a non-Korean beats a Korean is because of lag. That is the definition of a defeatist attitude.
Its how you look at things bro. I read a lot the write ups and havent gotten the same impression as you lot, is all. Hence, the defeatist attitude because you took it the worst possible way. He reported on something and because thats what hes here for, right? You took something out of that report and exaggerated to the degree that you can cry wolf over it. Thats why I called it a defeatist attitude you are so used to crying that even when there isnt anything to cry about you cry anyway.
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On March 05 2014 02:12 Sissors wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 22:17 Nebuchad wrote:On March 04 2014 21:37 Sissors wrote:On March 04 2014 07:19 LibertyRises wrote:
Stop being soft and seeing what you want to see. The lag is there. We all play starcraft and most of us have played cross server and know first hand whats up. So this segment of the foreigner community wanting us to pretend that cross server lag isnt a huge fucking issue at that level is pathetic. Wax didnt take away anything from their accomplishments he called it like it is. To me, and I maybe wrong, you guys seem like the biased ones in your interpretation of the article.
TLO and Grubby sure dont need you complaining for extra brownie points for them they are more than capable of beating Koreans at lans and we all know it stop being soft. How are we going to ever catch the Koreans in skill when youre literally willing to hide behind a wall of lag? Its not like they fear coming to your IEMS and Dreamhacks and taking foreigner money? God we are like prey to them with this thought process.
You know I can turn your entire post around where you are always willing to hide behind lag? It just isn't an option in yout thought process that a Korean pro can be beaten by a non-Korean. It must be lag. Anything else is simply not an option for you. To me you seem to be incredibly biased. He literally wrote the opposite in the post you just quoted. You know that is exactly the point of my post? That is why I mentioned the 'turning around' part. That his logic could be turned around against him, which is pretty much the definition of the writing the opposite.
Your post:
"It just isn't an option in yout thought process that a Korean pro can be beaten by a non-Korean. It must be lag."
The post you quoted:
"TLO and Grubby sure dont need you complaining for extra brownie points for them they are more than capable of beating Koreans at lans and we all know it"
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Glorious series between Kas and Grubby. Makes me appreciate them more!
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