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WCS EU - Ro32 Group D Preview (Season 1)

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WCS EU - Ro32 Group D Preview (Season 1)

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
February 25th, 2014 06:41 GMT
2013 GSL Season 2

WCS Europe 2014
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Ro32: Group D Preview

(Z)TargA, (Z)Miniraser, (P)San, (T)Dayshi

by Waxangel

Thus far, WCS Europe has lived up to its reputation of being the most even and unpredictable region with NaNiwa and ForGG both getting eliminated in week one. Even (P)Yoe.San, the recent ASUS ROG Winter champion, can't take Ro16 advancement for granted. Now, under normal circumstances, we'd call him a lock. Even in the old days before San was a champion, back when his propensity to choke rose linearly with the stakes of a match, he was still amazing in the lower, online stages of tournaments. Surely a championship-class San would have no trouble taking care of business in the Ro32 of WCS Europe?

However, San won't just be fighting his three opponents in this group. He's taking on the dreaded wall of Korea-Europe lag as well. San was in Europe for just long enough to play his Challenger match against elfi as well as IEM Cologne and ASUS ROG, but he has since returned to Korea. Just to remind you about what KR-EU lag can do, it was the only thing that prevented WCS Europe from becoming just like WCS America in 2013, and even saw ShoWTimE eliminate Mvp from the Premier league in Season 3.

At least the match-ups are good for San with two Zergs in his group. PvZ has been his best match-up for basically all of HotS as he has shown an uncanny ability to mesmerize opponents into making stupid decisions once they see his "san-gate" rush (4-gate zealots after expand). San has told us himself that he doesn't really understand why players keep falling for it, but as long as it keeps working he's not complaining.

Before he can get to the Zergs, San will have to take on a Terran player in France's (T)Mill.Dayshi. PvT was once a problem match-up for San, but he's caught on with recent trends and improved noticeably. Dayshi's TvP hasn't been particularly impressive as of late – the same goes for anyone not named Polt – which makes things all the better for San.

Despite a rough initial match, Dayshi should be quite content to go up against two Zerg players in his group. Ever since the start of HotS, Dayshi's great macro and neverending attacks have made him one of Europe's top TvZ players. For what it's worth, he's even undefeated against his two potential Zerg opponents. In a very even WCS Europe region, it really is about as ideal a group comp as Dayshi could reasonably wish for.

So, let's meet those two Zergs who we've painted as being goners so far. First there's (Z)Fnatic.Miniraser, who might actually be a goner. Though there will be more than a few viewers who will be seeing Miniraser playing for the first time, the Swedish Zerg isn't exactly a newcomer as he's played at DreamHacks and other live tournaments in 2013. However, this will be his WCS Premier League debut. So far, our rule of "don't pick WCS first-timers to advance" rule-of-thumb has held up pretty well, so we're not optimistic about Miniraser's chances.

On the other hand, (Z)TargA is a veteran who has already shaken things up in WCS Europe. It might be easy to forget, but he's actually the seeded player in this group as he finished in the last season's top eight. Players like NaNiwa, Welmu, and Happy were some of Targa's victims before he ran into the wall of MC in the quarterfinals.

Thanks to the power of social media, we're particularly excited for the potential San vs. TargA match ahead of us:


We're as perplexed as TargA: How does San keep doing it? Have San's opponents simply been over-thinking things as San speculates? Will TargA just watch the complete replay packs from both ASUS ROG and IEM Cologne and break San's zealot timings down completely? Will San just change gears completely to throw his opponent off guard? It's a bit of an obscure match to get excited over, but we're looking forward to seeing these questions get answered.

Overall outlook and predictions: Even with the KR-EU disadvantage, we're picking San to get through one way or another. Think of it this way: if duckdeok can all-in his way through Challenger and the Ro32 to eventually claim a championship, then why can't San? As for the other spot, we like Dayshi's chances to ride his TvZ to the Ro16.

San > Dayshi
TargA > Miniraser
San > TargA
Dayshi > Miniraser
Dayshi > TargA

San and Dayshi advance.

Qualified for Ro16:


Protoss (2): MC, BabyKnight
Terran (2): Bunny, jjakji,
Zerg (2): Nerchio, VortiX

Writers: Waxangel.
Photos and graphics: ESL.
Editor: Waxangel.
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
February 25 2014 06:52 GMT
#2
MANZENITH. The KR-EU lag may hinder him, but the onlineness of this round will be his boon!
Dayshi! One of the foreign Terran hopes. And a cool guy, as I saw in HSC8!
Targa and Miniraser I haven't seen much of lately, but that's due to a lack of time from me rather than a lack of games from them.
                   Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
----------------------------------------------------------------
San 94.51% 71.94% 22.57% 3.85% 1.64%
Dayshi 52.43% 13.30% 39.13% 29.04% 18.53%
TargA 43.97% 12.45% 31.52% 39.76% 16.27%
Miniraser 9.09% 2.31% 6.79% 27.34% 63.57%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
Poor Miniraser D: But I'm cheering for San and Dayshi, and they're the obvious choices!
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Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 25 2014 08:07 GMT
#3
San and Targa easily
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Belgica34432 Posts
February 25 2014 08:11 GMT
#4
Dayshi & Targa gogo
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Canada740 Posts
February 25 2014 08:14 GMT
#5
I think I think too much like Waxangel, which might be a bad thing....
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 08:35:41
February 25 2014 08:34 GMT
#6
Dayshi has always made some very enjoyable games, I'd like to see him tear this group apart. I'd also be thrilled if Targa can beat San for the other spot.
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Kosak
Profile Joined August 2013
Czech Republic193 Posts
February 25 2014 09:28 GMT
#7
I believe that Targa will take Dayshi down easily, San's got the group in his pocket tho
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MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
February 25 2014 11:48 GMT
#8
Dayshi is really solid at TvZ and that will be the matchup he will play to qualify.
I would never doubt San even with the lag... he's too used to play under these circumstances.
Both Miniraiser and Targa had the time to prepare themselves without exposing too much (except maybe Targa in ZvZ), and as foreigners both are slightly underrated.

Personally I think that this is one of the most even groups of the current season, if we put some lag issues for San.
The Man and Dayshi to advance seems reasonable, but personally I say San and Miniraiser.
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Denmark10305 Posts
February 25 2014 11:49 GMT
#9
Hoping for Dayshi and Targa!
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
February 25 2014 12:00 GMT
#10
San GOGOGO!!!
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
February 25 2014 12:02 GMT
#11
If Dayshi can beat Jaedong, I don't see how he can lose against Miniraser and TargA. I predict exactly like Wax.
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MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
February 25 2014 12:48 GMT
#12
On February 25 2014 21:00 DiMano wrote:
San GOGOGO!!!

Agreed, hope San advances
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
February 25 2014 13:07 GMT
#13
San will smash this group, second place between Dayshi and Targa most likely, but anything can happen (except for San not advancing).
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YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
February 25 2014 13:20 GMT
#14
Will San pull out something new? will he need to? I wonder if the Korea/Eu lag is going to kill his chance's of advancing. We need better lag from US/KR so we can have more foreigners winning in WCS :p
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DarthNeBuL
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation17 Posts
February 25 2014 13:27 GMT
#15
San and Dayshi with no doubt.
TiDragOnflY
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 13:47:07
February 25 2014 13:46 GMT
#16
                   Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
----------------------------------------------------------------
Miniraser 100.00% 100.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
San 100.00% 0.00% 100.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Dayshi 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00% 0.00%
TargA 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 25 2014 13:53 GMT
#17
Cheering for ManZenith to make it out of the group!
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Poland1435 Posts
February 25 2014 14:22 GMT
#18
Can you liquibet on WCS games? Somehow I can only see Broodwar bets on liquibet...
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United States4605 Posts
February 25 2014 14:28 GMT
#19
San and Targa probably
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 14:33:31
February 25 2014 14:32 GMT
#20
On February 25 2014 22:46 TiDragOnflY wrote:
                   Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
----------------------------------------------------------------
Miniraser 100.00% 100.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
San 100.00% 0.00% 100.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Dayshi 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00% 0.00%
TargA 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 100.00%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.


seems legit +.+

San and Dayshi should make it.

TargA has chances to advance over either one of them.
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