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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On January 28 2014 17:33 Big J wrote: shit. Now we have to hope for blizzard to put all their influence behind GSLs survival, else Kespa will probably just turn it off the moment they find a date for a tournament of their own. Nvm | ||
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trada
Germany347 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 28 2014 19:02 JustPassingBy wrote: I really really really don't get all this eSF vs KespA thing. I don't see why KespA teams don't participate in the GSTL, what do they have to lose? They have a lot of b-teamers that could gain booth experience and that would probably never see the booth from the inside in Proleague, especially after the format has shrunk to a bo5. There is just no time really, they have to prepare for proleague and the individual tournaments already, no way another teamleague would be able to run at the same time | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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mokumoku
157 Posts
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
I will probably remember eSF for the good times. Feels like the disbanding is due to no major fault on their part- the industry just couldn't support having a scene with two major giants. Sad for eSF, sad for GSTL, sad for past memories. Hope everyone at eSF gets good jobs they love and eSF teams and players get good spots elsewhere, be it Kespa or not. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On January 28 2014 19:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: There is just no time really, they have to prepare for proleague and the individual tournaments already, no way another teamleague would be able to run at the same time I am referring to the players who do not participate in Proleague and individual tournaments because they are not good enough. In the past, trainers have - as far as i know - repeatedly justified sending out weaker players in Proleague by saying that they want to give them booth experience. And now they have the GSTL, which is a opportunity for the weaker players to gather the experience of playing under pressure that does not have the risk of ruin their Proleague result, and they do not use it! :o | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On January 28 2014 19:39 bokchoi wrote: Honestly, to the general public it never seemed like eSF actually did anything. The only thing I've ever heard about eSF was that whole SlayerS drama. that wasn't even really the esf lol - esf's main public action was to block kespa from muscling their way into sc2 by threatening to boycott OSL if kespa boycotted GSL, among other things | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
On January 28 2014 19:39 bokchoi wrote: Honestly, to the general public it never seemed like eSF actually did anything. The only thing I've ever heard about eSF was that whole SlayerS drama. If I recall correctly eSF played a major role in softening the impact of KeSPa's transition to sc2 on the existing teams and players. They did this by representing the rights and interests of all the teams within, and could negotiate terms with KeSPA regarding anything related if need be. I'd imagine that without eSF KeSPA's transition would have been way more cataclysmic since they would have been able to get away with crap like boycotting GSL as opterown mentioned, as well as probably buying players from eSF teams straight off the bat. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 28 2014 18:47 RoninKenshin wrote: I don't think it's a bad thing, but people really aren't giving esf any credit. They were the ones that put Starcraft 2 first, while Kespa refused to join out of stubbornness and spite. Then while esf put out open arms when kespa switched over, kespa instead refused to cooperate and demanded control, slowly killing the scene. Esf and gom have only tried to make SC2 great, and laid the foundation for what it is today. While their power was small, I think esf was a great orgnization with heart. Thanks for your hard work esf!! lol no, they didn't join because Blizzard gave GOM exclusive rights... | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On January 28 2014 19:53 Ammanas wrote: lol no, they didn't join because Blizzard gave GOM exclusive rights... Eh, you make it sound as if Blizzard gave GOM exclusive rights after KespA transitioned to sc2, is that really right? :o I always thought that GOM still had the exclusive rights because of a previous deal. Such a long time ago, and my memory isn't the best... | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 28 2014 20:17 JustPassingBy wrote: Eh, you make it sound as if Blizzard gave GOM exclusive rights after KespA transitioned to sc2, is that really right? :o Such a long time ago, and my memory isn't the best... nah, they gave GOM exclusive rights before SC2 was released, meaning Kespa was unable to switch as their partners at the time were OnGameNet and MBC Game. That was all done because Blizzard asked Kespa to give them money for BW tournaments when they realized it existed about a year or two before SC2 was released. Obviously Kespa didn't want to as they were the ones who nurtured the BW scene from the ground. They sued Kespa afaik (was eventually solved outside of court) and gave GOM the exclusive rights in order to manipulate Kespa out of SC2 scene. Basically a Blizzard power struggle with Kespa is to be blamed for SC2 not being as big as it could/should in Korea. | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On January 28 2014 20:10 Big-t wrote: Will this affect GSL and GSTL in any way? Well GSTL has been basically confirmed as dead since there were only 2 teams in it this season. GSL shouldn't be affected, but it might affect the last remaining eSF players. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3672 Posts
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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Kheve
323 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On January 28 2014 20:56 Kheve wrote: Finally this arrogant fake organization bites the dust. Their only act in their existence was to bully Slayers just to show that they are a real organization. No rules no tournament no nothing, just gang up to bully someone. All stick and no carrot. Bleh now finally sc2 have a chance (tiny one) in korea. don't be an idiot, they saved sc2 by manfighting kespa over the GSL boycotting issue On January 28 2014 20:22 Ammanas wrote: nah, they gave GOM exclusive rights before SC2 was released, meaning Kespa was unable to switch as their partners at the time were OnGameNet and MBC Game. That was all done because Blizzard asked Kespa to give them money for BW tournaments when they realized it existed about a year or two before SC2 was released. Obviously Kespa didn't want to as they were the ones who nurtured the BW scene from the ground. They sued Kespa afaik (was eventually solved outside of court) and gave GOM the exclusive rights in order to manipulate Kespa out of SC2 scene. Basically a Blizzard power struggle with Kespa is to be blamed for SC2 not being as big as it could/should in Korea. or you could see it as a kespa power struggle for not paying dues *shrug | ||
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