EPTCode A Wild Cards to determine last Code S spot - Page 7
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Srontgorrth
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mrRoflpwn
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SpunXtain20
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dabom88
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ssxsilver
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On January 28 2014 07:39 dabom88 wrote: Whatever happened to jjakji anyway? Why is he no longer in Code S? Did a TL search and didn't find any topics about it. He's in EU now. | ||
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Sumahi
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yoshi245
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Rollora
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On January 28 2014 01:25 Ammanas wrote: And what makes you think that terran screams right now are any different and it is not just 'that the meta didnt evolve yet' and nerfs are needed this time as opposed to terran dominance era? ^^ (And yes, I agree that certain nerfs are needed, but you make it sound much worse than it actually really is). well I think because after several years of SC2, Terran is pretty much figured.... but I can be wrong, and T will adapt to the new Protoss style. well you are right: its closer than I made it sound. Still I don't like the DESIGN of the P race. Not the Lasers, but the Deathball, the forcefield feature and other things that prevent micro or just prevent actions in general (Forcefields, Timewarp), also I hate that there are so many possible cheeses in this one race and too many easy to pull of tactics (Warpgate tech makes it possible to insta-make army on other side of map), whereays I (playing random mostly but startet with T) feel, it is different and more difficult in other races, who need to macro and win the game over small advantages. Sure the days of soultrain are maybe over, but I hate that (even in Pro-games), a player can outplay a P and sometimes still gets walked over by deathball/storms/forcefields... 'course it is hard to get and other races should make damage before P gets that type of composition, but maybe this is just the way P was designed from the start and I just dont like the DESIGN of it... because it is less entertaining to watch (for me) to play (for me) and to play against (maybe that is not only for me the case :D) still not saying it is imba but i don't like it and Flash and many other players don't seem to like it as well :D | ||
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Rollora
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On January 28 2014 02:30 NovaMB wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_A_Statistics Winrates from Code A lets just say, its about the maps, and no map is balanced for TvP yet. On January 28 2014 03:12 SC2Toastie wrote: Don't skip the daedalus factor in ZvP this would take away 8 wins and 3 Losses as Zerg (although that 3 losses are partially because of imba cannonwalls because there is no fair way to win vs Zerg on that map, so those 3 wins where coinflips, anyway, ZvP would still be slightly in favor for the Zerg if we count out Daedalus: 16-14 On January 28 2014 07:12 Penguinator wrote: If you look at the combined winrates for all the non-mirror matchups, Zerg is 41-30 (58%) and Protoss is 48-32 (60%). So, you're still wrong. Quickly, find something else to argue about so that Protoss doesn't look OP! Didn't think of combining the winrates. Stupid me. But now it looks both races are OP :D | ||
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Black Gun
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sharkie
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On January 28 2014 08:28 Black Gun wrote: gumiho to win the wildcard, the he pulls a jangbi and wins the whole thing.... you mean pulling an Effort? :p | ||
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lopido
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ClairvoyanceSC2
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Black Gun
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nah, to pull an effort, he has to win a tiebreaker by smashing his own keyboard for a restart of a lost game.  | ||
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Yakikorosu
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On January 28 2014 07:12 Penguinator wrote: If you look at the combined winrates for all the non-mirror matchups, Zerg is 41-30 (58%) and Protoss is 48-32 (60%). So, you're still wrong. Quickly, find something else to argue about so that Protoss doesn't look OP! Bottom line, which is plainly visible to anyone not hysterically anti-Protoss (look at aligulac win rates ffs), is that Terran is struggling in both matchups but that Protoss AND Terran are both well below 50% against Zerg. Its just that for some reason Zerg bashing isn't a recognized sport on this forum the way Protoss bashing is. Anyway I have no interest in getting in the middle of balance whine, so ill say nothing more on this, it just boggles me that so much balance QQ just defaults to 'Protoss OP' even when it flies in the face of plainly obvious facts. | ||
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Swisslink
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On January 28 2014 02:54 Yakikorosu wrote: Yeah... again, the winrates show that Zerg had a sizeable lead in both of its non-mirror matchups, with a 57% win rate against Terran and 59% win rate against Protoss. Like I said, Zerg was the most successful Code A race unless your definition of "success" is just win rate against Terran alone? I'm still convinced that both Zerg matchups would be really balanced without the "Daedalus-Factor". I mean, ofc it won't be 50:50 winrate with a rather small sample size, but something like 16:14 is absolutely ok. So is the ZvT matchup without Daedalus. So... Right now Zerg is strong, because he can always pick Daedalus in the Matchups and win quite often because of that. (86% against Terran, 78% against Protoss). And overall I wouldn't agree that the Top Terrans struggle against Zerg. Outside Korea you might be right - but everyone knows Terran's hard to play and foreign-Terrans haven't been too succesful for quite some time. And the reason why everyone is complaining about Protoss and not Zerg is therefore rather simple: Both Zerg matchups look balanced, if you count out Daedalus. PvT on the other side is... quite strongly Protoss favored on every single map in the mappool (40% being the highest value the Terrans reach on Heavy Rain). And of course, even if you don't want to ignore Daedalus, there's a huge difference between two 55% - 60% winrates (especially with this small sample size) and the 80% Protoss got against Terran in Code A. | ||
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