Format: Ro12 - Bo3 Ro6 - Bo3 Final 3 - Round Robin
The reason I opened a thread is because I saw that there wasn't one yet. Also, not everyone checks the threads under Featured News, so I figured this way, at least everyone will now know what's going on with that final Code S seed and how it's being determined.
According to Daily eSports, matches will not be broadcasted T-T...
Seeker could you translate some detail on the format? Like are the Matches Bo1, Bo3 or Bo5? And how does the last round with 3 players work? Is it like a mini-U&D Group (i.e., Round Robin)?
Hoping for BrAvO or Gumiho . Bravo always shows interesting and above average level of play since his debut days and is probably the most skilled player in this lot . To bad that his lack of experience could play a bigger role in this .
So hard to predict the outcome of this one. Cure has had some nice results lately so maybe he can be the 4th terran in code S. If I had the power to put one of these guys in code S I would pick Gumiho.
On January 27 2014 22:12 Destructicon wrote: This is such a weird format, there are also quite a lot of names missing from the list, like Innovation and Seed.
Only third place finishers. Inno and Seed got fourth
On January 27 2014 22:12 Destructicon wrote: This is such a weird format, there are also quite a lot of names missing from the list, like Innovation and Seed.
These are just the players who got third in their groups.
On January 27 2014 22:12 Destructicon wrote: This is such a weird format, there are also quite a lot of names missing from the list, like Innovation and Seed.
These are just the players who got third in their groups.
Thanks for clarifying, this makes a lot more sense now.
On January 27 2014 22:19 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Oh, cmon, only 3 place dudes -.- Winner of Dream/Hack probably is main favourite, even though STORKUU HWAITING
lol i was wondering if i missed a recent Dreamhack event for a second there
On January 27 2014 22:00 danbel1005 wrote: Any terran plz, make it happen.
I hope not. The less terrans advance, the more obvious it will become, that T is underpowered and that this whole T is OP screaming at the beginning of WOL and HOTS was just that the meta didnt evolve yet, and after T was nerved and the meta evolved we had the final WOL days like now we have the HOTS days. So I hope no more T will advance, and even so next season, until blizzard drastically chances some things about the races. And by drastically I mean not changing timewarp by 1% or so
Thjey should've just seeded some Terran like TY for great Proleague performance or something like that. I mean come on, provide us with some Terrans plz.
On January 27 2014 22:00 danbel1005 wrote: Any terran plz, make it happen.
I hope not. The less terrans advance, the more obvious it will become, that T is underpowered and that this whole T is OP screaming at the beginning of WOL and HOTS was just that the meta didnt evolve yet, and after T was nerved and the meta evolved we had the final WOL days like now we have the HOTS days. So I hope no more T will advance, and even so next season, until blizzard drastically chances some things about the races. And by drastically I mean not changing timewarp by 1% or so
And what makes you think that terran screams right now are any different and it is not just 'that the meta didnt evolve yet' and nerfs are needed this time as opposed to terran dominance era? ^^ (And yes, I agree that certain nerfs are needed, but you make it sound much worse than it actually really is).
Why is everyone advance-QQing about a Protoss win? People do realize that the best performing race in Code A in terms of % of players advancing was Zerg, not Protoss? Only reason there are (slightly) more Protoss than Zerg in Code S is because more were seeded in from last year.
ParalyzE has a good shot to win it, but he's the only "scary" Protoss in the bracket for me. If people play at about the same level they did in Code A, my money's on BrAvO. He was unlucky to run into Leenock twice (and he almost beat him).
On January 28 2014 02:23 Yakikorosu wrote: Why is everyone advance-QQing about a Protoss win? People do realize that the best performing race in Code A in terms of % of players advancing was Zerg, not Protoss? Only reason there are (slightly) more Protoss than Zerg in Code S is because more were seeded in from last year.
ParalyzE has a good shot to win it, but he's the only "scary" Protoss in the bracket for me. If people play at about the same level they did in Code A, my money's on BrAvO. He was unlucky to run into Leenock twice (and he almost beat him).
On January 28 2014 02:23 Yakikorosu wrote: Why is everyone advance-QQing about a Protoss win? People do realize that the best performing race in Code A in terms of % of players advancing was Zerg, not Protoss? Only reason there are (slightly) more Protoss than Zerg in Code S is because more were seeded in from last year.
ParalyzE has a good shot to win it, but he's the only "scary" Protoss in the bracket for me. If people play at about the same level they did in Code A, my money's on BrAvO. He was unlucky to run into Leenock twice (and he almost beat him).
Yeah... again, the winrates show that Zerg had a sizeable lead in both of its non-mirror matchups, with a 57% win rate against Terran and 59% win rate against Protoss. Like I said, Zerg was the most successful Code A race unless your definition of "success" is just win rate against Terran alone?
On January 28 2014 03:12 SC2Toastie wrote: Don't skip the daedalus factor
this.
without that one ridiculous zerg map whose imba-level is not far from the infamous battle royal, zerg winrates and advancement-percentages would be much lower.
On January 28 2014 02:23 Yakikorosu wrote: Why is everyone advance-QQing about a Protoss win? People do realize that the best performing race in Code A in terms of % of players advancing was Zerg, not Protoss? Only reason there are (slightly) more Protoss than Zerg in Code S is because more were seeded in from last year.
ParalyzE has a good shot to win it, but he's the only "scary" Protoss in the bracket for me. If people play at about the same level they did in Code A, my money's on BrAvO. He was unlucky to run into Leenock twice (and he almost beat him).
Yeah... again, the winrates show that Zerg had a sizeable lead in both of its non-mirror matchups, with a 57% win rate against Terran and 59% win rate against Protoss. Like I said, Zerg was the most successful Code A race unless your definition of "success" is just win rate against Terran alone?
If you look at the combined winrates for all the non-mirror matchups, Zerg is 41-30 (58%) and Protoss is 48-32 (60%). So, you're still wrong. Quickly, find something else to argue about so that Protoss doesn't look OP!
It's pretty likely it'll be a Terran based on the numbers. Voted Coca but I wouldn't be surprised to see Dream take it, I think he is the highest class of these players right now. Super probably has the best shot from the protoss ranks.
On January 28 2014 07:39 dabom88 wrote: Whatever happened to jjakji anyway? Why is he no longer in Code S? Did a TL search and didn't find any topics about it.
On January 27 2014 22:00 danbel1005 wrote: Any terran plz, make it happen.
I hope not. The less terrans advance, the more obvious it will become, that T is underpowered and that this whole T is OP screaming at the beginning of WOL and HOTS was just that the meta didnt evolve yet, and after T was nerved and the meta evolved we had the final WOL days like now we have the HOTS days. So I hope no more T will advance, and even so next season, until blizzard drastically chances some things about the races. And by drastically I mean not changing timewarp by 1% or so
And what makes you think that terran screams right now are any different and it is not just 'that the meta didnt evolve yet' and nerfs are needed this time as opposed to terran dominance era? ^^ (And yes, I agree that certain nerfs are needed, but you make it sound much worse than it actually really is).
well I think because after several years of SC2, Terran is pretty much figured.... but I can be wrong, and T will adapt to the new Protoss style. well you are right: its closer than I made it sound. Still I don't like the DESIGN of the P race. Not the Lasers, but the Deathball, the forcefield feature and other things that prevent micro or just prevent actions in general (Forcefields, Timewarp), also I hate that there are so many possible cheeses in this one race and too many easy to pull of tactics (Warpgate tech makes it possible to insta-make army on other side of map), whereays I (playing random mostly but startet with T) feel, it is different and more difficult in other races, who need to macro and win the game over small advantages. Sure the days of soultrain are maybe over, but I hate that (even in Pro-games), a player can outplay a P and sometimes still gets walked over by deathball/storms/forcefields... 'course it is hard to get and other races should make damage before P gets that type of composition, but maybe this is just the way P was designed from the start and I just dont like the DESIGN of it... because it is less entertaining to watch (for me) to play (for me) and to play against (maybe that is not only for me the case :D) still not saying it is imba but i don't like it and Flash and many other players don't seem to like it as well :D
On January 28 2014 02:23 Yakikorosu wrote: Why is everyone advance-QQing about a Protoss win? People do realize that the best performing race in Code A in terms of % of players advancing was Zerg, not Protoss? Only reason there are (slightly) more Protoss than Zerg in Code S is because more were seeded in from last year.
ParalyzE has a good shot to win it, but he's the only "scary" Protoss in the bracket for me. If people play at about the same level they did in Code A, my money's on BrAvO. He was unlucky to run into Leenock twice (and he almost beat him).
lets just say, its about the maps, and no map is balanced for TvP yet.
On January 28 2014 03:12 SC2Toastie wrote: Don't skip the daedalus factor
in ZvP this would take away 8 wins and 3 Losses as Zerg (although that 3 losses are partially because of imba cannonwalls because there is no fair way to win vs Zerg on that map, so those 3 wins where coinflips, anyway, ZvP would still be slightly in favor for the Zerg if we count out Daedalus: 16-14
On January 28 2014 02:23 Yakikorosu wrote: Why is everyone advance-QQing about a Protoss win? People do realize that the best performing race in Code A in terms of % of players advancing was Zerg, not Protoss? Only reason there are (slightly) more Protoss than Zerg in Code S is because more were seeded in from last year.
ParalyzE has a good shot to win it, but he's the only "scary" Protoss in the bracket for me. If people play at about the same level they did in Code A, my money's on BrAvO. He was unlucky to run into Leenock twice (and he almost beat him).
Yeah... again, the winrates show that Zerg had a sizeable lead in both of its non-mirror matchups, with a 57% win rate against Terran and 59% win rate against Protoss. Like I said, Zerg was the most successful Code A race unless your definition of "success" is just win rate against Terran alone?
If you look at the combined winrates for all the non-mirror matchups, Zerg is 41-30 (58%) and Protoss is 48-32 (60%). So, you're still wrong. Quickly, find something else to argue about so that Protoss doesn't look OP!
Didn't think of combining the winrates. Stupid me. But now it looks both races are OP :D
On January 28 2014 02:23 Yakikorosu wrote: Why is everyone advance-QQing about a Protoss win? People do realize that the best performing race in Code A in terms of % of players advancing was Zerg, not Protoss? Only reason there are (slightly) more Protoss than Zerg in Code S is because more were seeded in from last year.
ParalyzE has a good shot to win it, but he's the only "scary" Protoss in the bracket for me. If people play at about the same level they did in Code A, my money's on BrAvO. He was unlucky to run into Leenock twice (and he almost beat him).
Yeah... again, the winrates show that Zerg had a sizeable lead in both of its non-mirror matchups, with a 57% win rate against Terran and 59% win rate against Protoss. Like I said, Zerg was the most successful Code A race unless your definition of "success" is just win rate against Terran alone?
If you look at the combined winrates for all the non-mirror matchups, Zerg is 41-30 (58%) and Protoss is 48-32 (60%). So, you're still wrong. Quickly, find something else to argue about so that Protoss doesn't look OP!
Bottom line, which is plainly visible to anyone not hysterically anti-Protoss (look at aligulac win rates ffs), is that Terran is struggling in both matchups but that Protoss AND Terran are both well below 50% against Zerg. Its just that for some reason Zerg bashing isn't a recognized sport on this forum the way Protoss bashing is.
Anyway I have no interest in getting in the middle of balance whine, so ill say nothing more on this, it just boggles me that so much balance QQ just defaults to 'Protoss OP' even when it flies in the face of plainly obvious facts.
On January 28 2014 02:23 Yakikorosu wrote: Why is everyone advance-QQing about a Protoss win? People do realize that the best performing race in Code A in terms of % of players advancing was Zerg, not Protoss? Only reason there are (slightly) more Protoss than Zerg in Code S is because more were seeded in from last year.
ParalyzE has a good shot to win it, but he's the only "scary" Protoss in the bracket for me. If people play at about the same level they did in Code A, my money's on BrAvO. He was unlucky to run into Leenock twice (and he almost beat him).
Yeah... again, the winrates show that Zerg had a sizeable lead in both of its non-mirror matchups, with a 57% win rate against Terran and 59% win rate against Protoss. Like I said, Zerg was the most successful Code A race unless your definition of "success" is just win rate against Terran alone?
I'm still convinced that both Zerg matchups would be really balanced without the "Daedalus-Factor". I mean, ofc it won't be 50:50 winrate with a rather small sample size, but something like 16:14 is absolutely ok. So is the ZvT matchup without Daedalus. So... Right now Zerg is strong, because he can always pick Daedalus in the Matchups and win quite often because of that. (86% against Terran, 78% against Protoss). And overall I wouldn't agree that the Top Terrans struggle against Zerg. Outside Korea you might be right - but everyone knows Terran's hard to play and foreign-Terrans haven't been too succesful for quite some time.
And the reason why everyone is complaining about Protoss and not Zerg is therefore rather simple: Both Zerg matchups look balanced, if you count out Daedalus. PvT on the other side is... quite strongly Protoss favored on every single map in the mappool (40% being the highest value the Terrans reach on Heavy Rain). And of course, even if you don't want to ignore Daedalus, there's a huge difference between two 55% - 60% winrates (especially with this small sample size) and the 80% Protoss got against Terran in Code A.
This takes place tomorrow, right? That's what 1월 29일 means...? Is there any specific time by which we can expect the result? Any chance that Khaldor is covering it "unofficially"?
I'll keep updating my post just so I have something to copy into TLPD at the end of this.
Are you Korean?
Nope, I just know how to use TLPDize button efficiently :p
No that's not it. My question is, how can you navigate the Daily eSports website so well? You even know which threads to click on.
Oh, I just look for keywords in the titles like Star2, Proleague, etc. You kind of get used to recognising the relevant ones after a bit. ("WCS GSL" is kind of an easy one though haha)
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