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Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
January 19 2014 21:33 GMT
#1841
On January 20 2014 06:32 StutteR wrote:
The smaller map size makes Dark Swarm really strong.


?? All 128 x 128 BW maps are 144 x 144 (about) in Starbow.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Izerman
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden99 Posts
January 19 2014 21:34 GMT
#1842
well reddit/starbow is full of negativity.
Just accept that some will like this and some will not.

and just to add.. we are not trying to make sc2broodwar or bw2 or starcraft3..
!
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
January 19 2014 21:42 GMT
#1843
On January 20 2014 06:34 Izerman wrote:
and just to add.. we are not trying to make sc2broodwar or bw2 or starcraft3..
!


/Kappa

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fmod
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Cayman Islands330 Posts
January 19 2014 21:44 GMT
#1844
On January 20 2014 06:33 Xiphias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 06:32 StutteR wrote:
The smaller map size makes Dark Swarm really strong.


?? All 128 x 128 BW maps are 144 x 144 (about) in Starbow.

Dark swarm is supposed to be "really strong".
I don't particularly like you.
Izerman
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden99 Posts
January 19 2014 21:48 GMT
#1845
On January 20 2014 06:42 mishimaBeef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 06:34 Izerman wrote:
and just to add.. we are not trying to make sc2broodwar or bw2 or starcraft3..
!


/Kappa

Oh crap.. did i forget that?
/Kapfuckingpa

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SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
January 19 2014 21:48 GMT
#1846
On January 20 2014 06:34 Izerman wrote:
well reddit/starbow is full of negativity.
Just accept that some will like this and some will not.

and just to add.. we are not trying to make sc2broodwar or bw2 or starcraft3..
!



Lots of nerds like to be dicks just to be dicks. It appears that some people who like BW exclusively or SC2 exclusively are also rooting against it. It's just the way some people are.

There's plenty of people who like the game and that's really what matters.


"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
January 19 2014 21:53 GMT
#1847
On January 20 2014 06:34 Izerman wrote:
well reddit/starbow is full of negativity.
Just accept that some will like this and some will not.

and just to add.. we are not trying to make sc2broodwar or bw2 or starcraft3..
!

I'm pretty sure most of the bitterness is over the people taking every opportunity to use Starbow as an excuse to badmouth SC2/people that like SC2/Blizzard.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 21:55:14
January 19 2014 21:54 GMT
#1848
On January 20 2014 06:19 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 05:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 20 2014 05:44 Xiphias wrote:
On January 20 2014 05:40 rebuffering wrote:
Oh shit! Patch 2.1 on Tuesday! Can get some BW music for some Starbow. Cant wait! Will the patch also add BW sounds to the game as well? Like spider mines or tanks sieging?


Don't think so.

But... STARBOW WILL BE F2P!!!

Everybody who wants to play starbow has sc2 i think, won't change much^^


I disagree.

Free to play games get a shitload more players than anything that costs money. Even $1.00. You underestimate the amount of people who play free games.

On top of that, there are already some tournaments for money. Free game with prize money available? It's going to increase in size big time, I'm willing to bet on it.

P.S. I've noticed you're one of the biggest voices of negativity and pessimism about this game both on reddit and TL. . . just thought I'd add that.

I prefer to think of myself as realistic, but ok.
Yeah free to play gains players, if people know about it. Who knows about it right now? Pretty much every reddit user i guess.
That is pretty much it and i don't know how this would change with 2.1, that is more important than the patch itself.
And if you think i am negative about it, well i just don't hype it no matter what, that is the difference here.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
January 19 2014 21:59 GMT
#1849
On January 20 2014 06:14 KDot2 wrote:
unfortunately Ive never played brood war but always wanted to !

What race right now feels the most brood war esque/fun ?

Play random for a bit. It all feels fairly broodwaresque to me. It's a best of both sort of thing.
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
January 19 2014 22:05 GMT
#1850
I really hope this tournament finally puts all the hype to rest.

Starbow is fun, i like it a lot, but the amount of hype it has is ridiculous, most people have been played it for like 5 days and they already say it better than starcraft 2? I'm not saying it isn't or that it won't ever be, just saying that is still too early to say that.

I know that the intentions of the makers aren't that this is a sc2 replacement, but all the fanboys need to stop saying it is.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 19 2014 22:18 GMT
#1851
On January 20 2014 07:05 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
I really hope this tournament finally puts all the hype to rest.

Starbow is fun, i like it a lot, but the amount of hype it has is ridiculous, most people have been played it for like 5 days and they already say it better than starcraft 2? I'm not saying it isn't or that it won't ever be, just saying that is still too early to say that.

I know that the intentions of the makers aren't that this is a sc2 replacement, but all the fanboys need to stop saying it is.


Its not that early to say that. If you find a game w/ units that have better micro potential than another, then it is more fun to control them in various of combinations. SB follows that frisbee vs baseball analogy from Day[9]'s video. Plus SB adheres very closely to BW's design philosophy and if it is remotely close to BW's gameplay, then I can see why people would admit that it is better than starcraft 2.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 19 2014 22:20 GMT
#1852
On January 20 2014 07:05 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
I really hope this tournament finally puts all the hype to rest.

Starbow is fun, i like it a lot, but the amount of hype it has is ridiculous, most people have been played it for like 5 days and they already say it better than starcraft 2? I'm not saying it isn't or that it won't ever be, just saying that is still too early to say that.

I know that the intentions of the makers aren't that this is a sc2 replacement, but all the fanboys need to stop saying it is.


I think it's a really fun game and I hope players keep playing it after the tourney! You don't have to make all these "eSports," or "dead game," or "better than SC2" comments to like a fun alternative gamemode that soon anyone can play!

A game should be played because it is fun ><. It doesn't really matter how it compares to SC2, such talk is pointless. You can just ignore it too!
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
January 19 2014 22:30 GMT
#1853
Speaking of things, the sentinel does indeed seem really good. However so are arbiters, their potency is mitigated by how much teching they require, maybe approach things in the same way.

I have a lot of issues with certain aesthetic/sound aspects of the game, but the devs have stated they're focusing a lot on the gameplay ATM, so I will delay expressing that.

Game is fun as fuck, especially PvZ. The main thing I like is that as a Protoss/Terran player in SC2 that Starbow really makes the two feel a lot more comparable from a fairness perspective in terms of the macro and mechanical demands
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 22:34:53
January 19 2014 22:31 GMT
#1854
I have to say that I feel a bit cold whenever I hear a progamer talk about perceived weaknesses in Starbow. It seems very easy to dismiss any game for apparent flaws and not give it the chance that it perhaps deserves. Fortunately I can find solace in thinking of old WoL beta gameplay, when the level of play was so beyond awful that it is neither painful nor hilarious, it transcends those qualities because it looks like a completely different game and appears to have nothing in common with high level play these days. The Starbow playerbase has a choice: lose to a dragoon timing and complain that PvT is imbalanced, or accept that you don't know anything and are not in a position to lecture others. And maybe if we were to cease to demand Starbow to be a perfect e-sports game right off the bat it would be easier to see it as a new game to have fun with.

(mind you that there were many balance complaints during the WoL beta that seem ridiculous in retrospect)

Also, off-topic but:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm so sick of Day9's frisbee vs baseball analogy. Baseballs offer you control and are fun to use (source: I made it to the regional team as a pitcher in my youth). Day9 is not some god of design just because he used an analogy to describe micro potential, it's all obvious enough.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
rudimentalfeelthelov
Profile Joined December 2013
Finland268 Posts
January 19 2014 22:33 GMT
#1855
I must admit that I am very entertained by starbow matches.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 19 2014 22:34 GMT
#1856
Banelings seem to do really, really low damage against buildings. Seemed like Byleth's baneling bust was a sure win but all the banelings (like 8) didn't do jack against the bunker...

Hmmm...at this point after discussing with Blade it seems like Terran's free instant SCV is really ridiculous. I mean sure you have to pay 50 minerals but you build it instantly O_O.

Fun stuff, sad that Blade lost in a ZvZ, was really rooting for him.

What happened to Losira?
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
itsMAHVELbaybee
Profile Joined October 2008
292 Posts
January 19 2014 22:35 GMT
#1857
Is it me or is the medic heal rate so much slower than BW.

Is it ported from the SC2 campaign medic or not?
I am boss. -Minami-ke
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
January 19 2014 22:36 GMT
#1858
I read the spoiler. Grumbels how dare you criticise the god of all that is gaming that is Day9? Are you insane?!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 19 2014 23:05 GMT
#1859
hmm, while I'll give it a good try when 2.1 comes out; the more I read, the more it seems like starbow goes against my preferred design philosophies; too much busywork rather than strategy work. I prefer strategy and tactics over apm.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Izerman
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden99 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 23:10:12
January 19 2014 23:09 GMT
#1860
On January 20 2014 07:34 Qwyn wrote:
Hmmm...at this point after discussing with Blade it seems like Terran's free instant SCV is really ridiculous. I mean sure you have to pay 50 minerals but you build it instantly O_O.


What? terran should always be behind?

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