EPTDavid Kim's Current Balance Thoughts - Page 3
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nuogaiyen
United States42 Posts
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:16 Bagi wrote: So the mantra seems to be to stare at the winrates and as long as they fit a certain criteria, the games fine? A bit depressing. TvP is a mess of a match-up loaded with unpredictable all-ins and an unplayable lategame. It's painful because that's exactly what made PvZ so stupid in WoL You either win with a soul train or lose to brood lord infestor. But it's okay! 50%! | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
 .On January 10 2014 12:26 Chaggi wrote: It's painful because that's exactly what made PvZ so stupid in WoL You either win with a soul train or lose to brood lord infestor. But it's okay! 50%! Watch Proleague, PvTs are nothing like that... | ||
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BadBorz
Canada61 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4540 Posts
Wouldnt whatever race is imba naturally have higher MMR (Get promoted, fill up GM, fill up top masters, etc) than they should because they are winning more than they should? In that case this way of examaning data is a way to sugar coat the statistics. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9179 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:30 Liquid`Ret wrote: This skill factor being forced out, does it mean when players with higher MMR win it doesnt count? Im confused... Wouldnt whatever race is imba naturally have higher MMR (Get promoted, fill up GM, fill up top masters, etc) than they should because they are winning more than they should? In that case this way of examaning data is a way to sugar coat the statistics. Yeah. To me, filtering both player skill (by Elo or some variant, probably) and race strength (wat) make zero sense to me when you are attempting to present the statistics of the population as a whole in an attempt to explain things. | ||
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
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IncubusSC
Canada57 Posts
What a fucking goon, it's hilarious how he hasn't been fired for his incompetence. User was warned for this post | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:28 ZAiNs wrote: Glad that we're getting more constant updates. I wish he'd mention the Swarm Host though .Watch Proleague, PvTs are nothing like that... Take out the swarmhost or nerf it without nerfing protoss late game = zerg never win :D | ||
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pmp10
3401 Posts
The changes they proposed were only going to do more harm and he will have less room to ignore problems next time. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:28 ZAiNs wrote: Glad that we're getting more constant updates. I wish he'd mention the Swarm Host though .Watch Proleague, PvTs are nothing like that... Yeah proleague is a bunch of blink all ins and Maru killing 30 probes with a hellion drop. Seriously stop namedropping proleague so much, the sample size is beyond tiny. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:36 blade55555 wrote: Take out the swarmhost or nerf it without nerfing protoss late game = zerg never win :D Except Jaedong! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:33 itsjustatank wrote: Yeah. To me, filtering both player skill (by Elo or some variant, probably) and race strength (wat) make zero sense to me when you are attempting to present the statistics of the population as a whole in an attempt to explain things. What other data would they use? There is not magic number that measures "skill" beyond a player's ability to beat their opponent. | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:28 ZAiNs wrote: Glad that we're getting more constant updates. I wish he'd mention the Swarm Host though .Watch Proleague, PvTs are nothing like that... But look at the Terrans being fielded in PL. You've got a total of 1 Terran whose never been in Code A+ at any point... | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12584 Posts
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VasHeR
166 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:44 Nebuchad wrote: I love the fact that they stopped talking about protoss having an overall advantage and refocused on the advantage being in PvT. That was the thing that annoyed me the most in the last post. As to how the stats are calculated... It would probably matter if the stats were useful in themselves, which they are not. lol wut? did you see the negative PvZ across all realms? | ||
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Brian333
657 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:43 ssxsilver wrote: But look at the Terrans being fielded in PL. You've got a total of 1 Terran whose never been in Code A+ at any point... You act as if the PL coaches are just rolling a dice before games to decide who gets sent out. Of course it is based on practice results, in-house training, and planning. If a player is bad, they will not be sent out. They might be taking a calculated risk in terms of guessing match-ups, but it's also not like they have no time to prepare even when they guess wrong (outside of ace matches and winner's league). | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I mean, you just have no way of knowing, right? Except from watching how the actual game plays out :D And I don't recall any moment where the stats they pull out from their "skill-adjusted winrates" were more skewed than 45-55%, which I find weird, because in pro level, winrates went as low as 35% winrate in TvZ at the end of 2012. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On January 10 2014 11:39 iHirO wrote: I'd be interested to know how the player skill was factored out. Same here..those statistics are worthless without knowing how they arrived at them. Edit: And wth does race strength even mean?? Isnt that just balance? So they are using balance to determine whether or not the game is balanced? I guess the definition of dictionary is "a dictionary" too then.. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12584 Posts
On January 10 2014 12:47 VasHeR wrote: lol wut? did you see the negative PvZ across all realms? It appears you're attempting to bash me but I'm unsure how you think this works. | ||
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