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On December 19 2013 04:58 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:57 Incubus1993 wrote:On December 19 2013 00:38 storywriter wrote:
I think the 6% figure is if they only count people who are active. A lot of people play very few games per season and have kept their leagues that way for a long time . That doesn't mean those people have gotten so bad they need to be placed two or three leagues below their original league. They should be demoted though, their slots should be open for people ACTUALLY PLAYING the game. There are so many "Masters" players that play their placement game and leave it at that for the entire season. Hey, I don't want a bunch of plat-diamond-master slackers in silver, it is enough to be stomped by all the smurfs... us dirt leaguers are getting pretty demotivated when always getting far too good opponents, and this is happening already now. SC2 doesn't gain anything if the bottom 20% of the people get fed up and quit because of this. We want to play people that are on our level. It should be very difficult to fall below gold if you at some point reached plat or higher imo. 
Great statement. I mean, that embodies the issue completely. Makes no sense to decay someones MMR down for sake of "well we don't want players to lose games in a row so we will tank it for them".
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I am glad that I stopped playing early on in hots. I would often not play for over a month, then play lots of games in a weekend, then stop again. That would mean losing a whole rank every month, and then coming back to beat people over and over again.
It also partially explains how the one time I did come back in the summer I was in gold league (down from masters).
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Gold league is just a moshpit of master and diamond players right now, this is a good way to scare noobs away from the 1v1 ladder forever. When you have mostly diamonds and masters playing against each other, it's basically like diamond league II. They're not going to advance because they're already playing against people of their skill level. I'm not sure how you can break the cycle or if it's just the new reality of the ladder because there aren't many noobs anymore.
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On December 19 2013 06:58 BaronVonOwn wrote:
Gold league is just a moshpit of master and diamond players right now, this is a good way to scare noobs away from the 1v1 ladder forever. When you have mostly diamonds and masters playing against each other, it's basically like diamond league II. They're not going to advance because they're already playing against people of their skill level. I'm not sure how you can break the cycle or if it's just the new reality of the ladder because there aren't many noobs anymore.
That or the korean kindergarten is trolling with the rest of the world :D
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I'm curious couldn't they use the current bonus pool as a kind of mmr decay. So if you have 400 bonus pool, you play 400 (or some multiplier of 400) mmr below the current mmr?
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On December 19 2013 06:11 anessie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 06:08 Striker.superfreunde wrote:Good, they finally made a statement.  Which doesn't make much sense
Well, they are working on it.
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Is masters league hard to get into now? For example is it just high master league players from the past that get into masters?
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if you don't play for a full season, your MMR resets. that has nothing to do with decay, and that is not a recent change. I think a lot of people are confusing that with decay.
that's what causes ex-master players to place in silver or gold (since they changed how placements work when they disabled demotions). you should just win games and get sped quickly back to diamond/masters. but it feels like something in the matchmaking selection may be slowing this down.
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On December 19 2013 07:14 Oboeman wrote:
if you don't play for a full season, your MMR resets. that has nothing to do with decay, and that is not a recent change. I think a lot of people are confusing that with decay.
that's what causes ex-master players to place in silver or gold (since they changed how placements work when they disabled demotions). you should just win games and get sped quickly back to diamond/masters. but it feels like something in the matchmaking selection may be slowing this down.
Not if you still play team games. I have missed whole seasons of 1v1 and not had my rating reset, because I still messed about with friends during that season.
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On December 19 2013 06:58 BaronVonOwn wrote:
Gold league is just a moshpit of master and diamond players right now, this is a good way to scare noobs away from the 1v1 ladder forever. When you have mostly diamonds and masters playing against each other, it's basically like diamond league II. They're not going to advance because they're already playing against people of their skill level. I'm not sure how you can break the cycle or if it's just the new reality of the ladder because there aren't many noobs anymore.
Platinum is the same just harder. I don't know, it feels like somehow diamond league was made smaller as well as master league.
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My MMR did not reset despite not playing for half a year. My win ratio was something like 3 wins 28 losses.
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"We've received a lot of good feedback from the community on that subject"
What about giving proofs and stop talking ? Ladder is just unplayable those days, between the protoss who blinks all ins, the ones who proxy stargate, the ones who proxy robos, the ones who dts, the ones who take double gaz before expands ...
Seriously, TvP is just so hard these days, and everyone tells it (except the protoss ofc), the fact that Desrow 5-4ed Bomber in ladder, the fact that almost 50% of GM slots for US and EU are protoss, I mean its just so dumb to just say "lol everything is fine guys no worries !". SCII is getting worst and worst and I really understand why people like Marineking are switching to LoL.
I apologize about my english by the way.
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Seriously, this is quite the understatement from Blizz
I don't play a lot of games, between 20 to 50 each season.
I was gold at the end of each season in 1v1 since HOTS release and got demoted to silver at each new season beginning and had to climb my way up. Oftentime I would begin the new season with a win ratio way over 50% like winning 4 or 5 straight and going quite rapidly back to gold.
Last season, I got placed in bronze (from gold !!!) and was something like 18w 3d before moving up to silver. (won 9 games before losing one, I play random and my TvT is pretty abysmal ;-) )
This is not close to a 50/50 ratio at all.
Regarding team leagues, I used to play a lot of 4v4 and was ranked 1 diamond at the end of HOTS first season.
Back then I was regularly placed with good player (at least way better than me up to master in 1v1).
Then I got demoted 1 league each season as I didn't play much. I was placed in silver this season and I am matched with noobs that make retard builds all the time.
To give you an example, I had a terran partner going engineering bay first the other day or a Z 6 pool all by himself in a shared base map...
It ends up pissing me off big time when I barely lose what looks like a 1v4 to me...
So I don't play 4v4 at all anymore.
My 2 cents...
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I don't play because whilst playing 1-2 games every couple of days I would get matches either extremely bad opponents or extremely good ones in gold, I rarely got a balanced game and it was boring.
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On December 19 2013 07:28 Esoterikk wrote:
I don't play because whilst playing 1-2 games every couple of days I would get matches either extremely bad opponents or extremely good ones in gold, I rarely got a balanced game and it was boring.
Yeah, I feel like every 4th game or so I'll finally be matched up against someone that provides an even, back and forth match. Everything else is a roflstomp or a "holy shit I'm being completely and utterly outplayed in every possible way" and it's kind of annoying. Gold league skill level is crazy variable.
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On December 19 2013 07:20 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 07:14 Oboeman wrote:
if you don't play for a full season, your MMR resets. that has nothing to do with decay, and that is not a recent change. I think a lot of people are confusing that with decay.
that's what causes ex-master players to place in silver or gold (since they changed how placements work when they disabled demotions). you should just win games and get sped quickly back to diamond/masters. but it feels like something in the matchmaking selection may be slowing this down. Not if you still play team games. I have missed whole seasons of 1v1 and not had my rating reset, because I still messed about with friends during that season.
i'm pretty sure mine reset even though i had some team games.
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The problem is that you have players who play 10 games a season throwing to the wind misinformation on Reddit and TL.
Blizzard response was unsatisfactory and superficial, but people are bitching too much on this topic. If you pay attention, will be able to see how inconsistent the players feedback are.
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Was top of diamond a few months ago. Now I am stuck in Gold, playing ~10 games a day
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Was Masters at the beginning of HotS, chilling in Platinum right now.
At least they recognize that the ladder is messed up and they're going to try and fix it. Blizzard is always vague with press releases but they usually follow through.
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i was plat back in wol and facing mostly dias and a couple masters i was near the promotion line i could feel it! I took a break when hots came out to let it all calm down and got placed in gold which i thought was ok and got to dia. Ive started laddering again quite a lot over the last few weeks. i placed my league on an account i havent played on since day 1 hots(bronze??!!??) played 68 games so far lost 15 it looks (9 of them being cheese i just left without trying) . . and im still in silver still being placed against silver. My only consoling fact that it looks like im getting better is that most of the Highest league achieved is masters/dia. I think the fact that blizz are going to incorporate some kind of league up indicator is good as this will stop my whine completely . . it is clear that silvers and golds are too easy for me atm and ive beat most of the plats and 2 dias which ive been placed against so far on this trip!
For me, could an application process not be implemented? What i eman is you place a ticket in the client to say, i want just plat players please, if you lose your ticket games(say 5 a day/week . .whatever) you have to suck it up, otherwise the game shifts you or fast tracks you nearer the promotion line for the league. No? can, cant work? I mean a lot of the masters streams i watch are all bz to masterin it up anyways so for me, someone who wants to get past all the goof now which i thought id got rid of back in wol im having to mess around with again. You know, the over long games as the players in the lower leagues cant just accept their allin didnt work and its taking me a while to safely win the game.
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