EPTIt will always come down to some cheesy strategy or timing since it's just not balanced.
Poll: Should PL add 2v2 to their normal format? - Page 5
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anessie
180 Posts
It will always come down to some cheesy strategy or timing since it's just not balanced. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On December 17 2013 03:48 Waxangel wrote: I don't have to cite a fucking academic paper to tell you what happened 10 years ago I just think you're unnecessarily shitting on an idea that could actually help interest in the game, but whatever. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
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Swift118
United Kingdom335 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 17 2013 03:39 Ctone23 wrote: Really? Way more opportunities? I think it would give many unknown Korean players a chance to contribute in a meaningful way. I'd really like to hear what opportunities you think these unknown players would have outside PL.... Look at Patience as an example. The fact that online qualifiers (often with paid trips) now exists in SC2 alongside the Korean leagues by definition means that there are more oppurtunities than there were for B-teamers in BW. Players like Solar who grind out online qualifiers and cups are bound to eventually get to play overseas - they don't need to play in a joke match-up. Look at Nestea (Zergbong) in BW for example. He wasn't exactly taken seriously. Edit: I'm not saying I'm completely opposed to the idea of 2v2. I'm just saying I don't think it's necessarily more beneficial for B-teamers. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On December 17 2013 03:51 Ctone23 wrote: I just think you're unnecessarily shitting on an idea that could actually help interest in the game, but whatever. It's Wax. His knowledge of StarCraft and its ways are infinite. If he says something's the case, he probably was there and watched it unfold. | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
This is the crux, in my opinion. If the matches were balanced, people would love the hell out of 2v2. I adore playing it, but ZZ teams, for instance, are absolutely terribly past the mid-game. Blizzard would have to seriously think about its maps to make it even moderately fair, and balancing 1v1 would have another serious variable. Nonetheless, I think 2v2 would add a huge amount to the scene, should Blizzard take it more seriously. edit: I think the same logic applies to 'don't practice 2v2 because you're wasting time for only Proleague'. It's only a waste of time because the balance is so off. If it were balanced, more leagues would provide a 2v2 format. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On December 17 2013 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote: It's Wax. His knowledge of StarCraft and its ways are infinite. If he says something's the case, he probably was there and watched it unfold. I was there too, as were many others. It was pretty much what happened, 2v2 was the corner where you put people who could not perform in the 1v1 scene. Zergbong was banished there for most of his BW career, against his will. It was mostly a kind of lighthearted intermission. 1v1 will always have the most prestige and glamour and 2v2 will always be seen as something of a spectacle to entertain fans rather than real competition. It can be a lot better than it is currently, but 1v1 is hard enough to balance as it is, teamgames will turn into a nightmare once strats are more figured out and players start abusing the shit out of broken combos. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
They need to get some good 2v2 map makers though. IMO the biggest issue is for teams that have 2 Zergs playing against a team that has 1 Zerg. Early ling allins are just so hard to deal with in that case because it's very difficult for the non-zerg to help. I don't think that the 1v1 balance needs to be changed necessarily in order for 2v2 to be viable. And I also don't think 2v2 will be played at the same level as 1s in terms of time dedicated to it.. it will just be something fun for the fans to watch. Ultimately that's all that counts anyway right? It's the reason all professional sports are played (viewership). | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On December 17 2013 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote: It's Wax. His knowledge of StarCraft and its ways are infinite. If he says something's the case, he probably was there and watched it unfold. In case he or anyone else hasn't noticed, the point is to help the game grow. Thanks @Zealousy for providing an example, makes sense to not have players like Nestea and Patience playing 2v2's. I wonder though, if some lowly practice partners at the team houses would be interested in something like this. If nothing else, something different and a chance to get a look at youngsters out there in the scene. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On December 17 2013 04:09 DinoMight wrote: I think 2v2s would be fun to watch. They need to get some good 2v2 map makers though. IMO the biggest issue is for teams that have 2 Zergs playing against a team that has 1 Zerg. Early ling allins are just so hard to deal with in that case because it's very difficult for the non-zerg to help. I don't think that the 1v1 balance needs to be changed necessarily in order for 2v2 to be viable. And I also don't think 2v2 will be played at the same level as 1s in terms of time dedicated to it.. it will just be something fun for the fans to watch. Ultimately that's all that counts anyway right? It's the reason all professional sports are played (viewership). I would actually say that competition's the most important thing, and that viewers come second. If these players don't wanna compete in this form, they wouldn't focus as much on 2v2. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On December 17 2013 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote: It's Wax. His knowledge of StarCraft and its ways are infinite. If he says something's the case, he probably was there and watched it unfold. hero worship isnt healthy | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
He's not really my hero. Only BoxeR has that position. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On December 17 2013 04:13 IntoTheheart wrote: I would actually say that competition's the most important thing, and that viewers come second. If these players don't wanna compete in this form, they wouldn't focus as much on 2v2. If viewers want to watch something, it will make money. Then people will want to be good at it to earn money. Viewership is everything. All pro sports are businesses, and those who bring money in are the viewers. | ||
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HungrySC2
United States191 Posts
We all know its going to be a horrible failure, but it will amaze us in ways we never expected in the process. I look forward to the ackward games, controversies, failed strategies, dual celebrations, the occasional inspiring brilliant moment (of pure win or pure fail), the inevitably horrible map pool, and the use of new players. We have no idea what is going to happen. I may even stay up late to watch starcraft again. And that. Is why I say. 2v2. Fuck Yes. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On December 17 2013 04:19 DinoMight wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY If viewers want to watch something, it will make money. Then people will want to be good at it to earn money. Viewership is everything. All pro sports are businesses, and those who bring money in are the viewers. People are still gonna compete in StarCraft II with or without these sponsors. Sure we wouldn't get pro-level play, but to assume that we the viewers are the most important thing is really questionable. | ||
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TT1
Canada10014 Posts
On December 17 2013 04:19 DinoMight wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY If viewers want to watch something, it will make money. Then people will want to be good at it to earn money. Viewership is everything. All pro sports are businesses, and those who bring money in are the viewers. dunno, i just wanted to post that vid edit: and this one | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On December 17 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: 2v2 in BW Proleague became the unofficial division for b-teamers and washouts, devaluing the competition and killing interest by its very nature But on the flipside, a lot of people will make the case that the stale 1v1 metagame in Sc2 is killing interest. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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