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On December 17 2013 10:31 foxmeep wrote:
2v2 can never be balanced without breaking 1v1 balance.
And the novelty of speedling rush/proxy every game is going to grow old very very quickly.
Well blizz has proven to be pretty good at balancing stuff... Maybe that's debatable, but they've definitely gotten a lot better at the process compared to a few years back, so based on that information I can only guess they will eventually be good enough at it to be able to balance two modes.
Apart from that, we've barely even started developing good 2v2 maps.
The real problem is we just haven't tried much of anything with 2v2. It looks bad just like 1v1 looked bad back in 2010.
I'm pretty confident in the possibility of creating a good (balanced or whatever and interesting) 2v2. I think the question is more about whether or not it's worth it. Any effort towards 2v2 balance, maps, etc, is taking away from 1v1. Funding, too. I'd say 2v2 in proleague would probably help out the lower tier players in the teams more than another 1v1 match, though, so it might be good for the stability in this case. It could also be a long time before it's anywhere near 1v1 as far as entertainment value goes.
IDK about this season, but it would be cool to see them try out some more developed maps and try in another preseason later to see if it improves.
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2v2 would be great!
Giving SC2 more the feel like real team battles.
Also BW also had 2v2 as a common format.
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On December 17 2013 10:49 Caladan wrote:
2v2 would be great!
Giving SC2 more the feel like real team battles.
Also BW also had 2v2 as a common format.
People who keep saying this about BW really need to study the history of 2v2 in BW a bit more closely.
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the game between im and samsung galaxy was really entertaining, i would love to see that with more seriousness
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Did proleague preseason start? When is the first/next broadcast? I'd like to see it
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I feel like 3v3 would be way more interesting than 2v2.
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YES! YES! <3 <3
They really need to make some maps that are balanced and promote entertaining games though, but that tuning cannot be done without really good (2v2) players play on them frequently. So gogogo, but bear with them first season when they are tuning the maps. I feel that 2v2 maps are still at steps of war level. :/
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Yeah, just do Bo7 and one 2v2, in the middle of the matches.
This would also fix Prime's player problems and still make Bo7 possible.
I think it's a good idea, giving the circumstances and SC2's lack of teamplay, also Proleague's history.
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On December 17 2013 11:08 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 10:49 Caladan wrote:
2v2 would be great!
Giving SC2 more the feel like real team battles.
Also BW also had 2v2 as a common format. People who keep saying this about BW really need to study the history of 2v2 in BW a bit more closely.
BW had 2v2 until the 2008/09 season if I remember correctly.
so you should maybe study your 2v2 history a bit more 
although you could say both sides are kind of right here.
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On December 17 2013 19:50 Kihshra wrote:
I feel like 3v3 would be way more interesting than 2v2.
Highlander style. One of each race. There can only be one!
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How about pros playing the micro macro custom as 2v2 (one pro macroes one microes but its a 1v1).
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With some better maps, I think 2v2 could be good for the scene. There are a lot of people who play team games and not 1v1, who would probably enjoy seeing some crazy team games.
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Being a team player, this is good news. We'll see how it pans out in the future. I have my reservations though.
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On December 17 2013 21:18 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 19:50 Kihshra wrote:
I feel like 3v3 would be way more interesting than 2v2. Highlander style. One of each race. There can only be one!
Interesting! It may even balance out due to no racial advantage on either side too! Would be very hard to obs/commentate/analyse amongst the chaos though
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Voted yes. It has taken a long time for 1v1s to get where they are and it'd probably take just as long for 2v2s. That said, I think most people are trying to force 2v2s into a 1v1 mold and it's never going to work. 2v2 is a completely different game and I don't see any problem with letting someone smarter than me figure it out. All I have to do is be patient and profit.
I think it could be awesome.
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On December 17 2013 21:18 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 19:50 Kihshra wrote:
I feel like 3v3 would be way more interesting than 2v2. Highlander style. One of each race. There can only be one!
Yea just have fun with it! Doesn't always have to be about balance, BLAH!
SC2 needs a little spice I think!
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On December 17 2013 20:45 sCuMBaG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 11:08 Squat wrote:On December 17 2013 10:49 Caladan wrote:
2v2 would be great!
Giving SC2 more the feel like real team battles.
Also BW also had 2v2 as a common format. People who keep saying this about BW really need to study the history of 2v2 in BW a bit more closely. BW had 2v2 until the 2008/09 season if I remember correctly. so you should maybe study your 2v2 history a bit more although you could say both sides are kind of right here.
What has that got to do with anything? The issue was the relative level of prestige and prevalence of 2v2 as opposed to 1v1, it had nothing to do with the chronology of the formats.
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In tennis, singles aka 1v1, has by far the most prestige in terms of viewership and prize money. This, however, does not stop a large amount of people from enjoying and watching professional level doubles aka 2v2 tennis matches at the largest tennis tournaments worldwide (the grand slams and masters level events). It's fun and offers a different viewing experience than your typical tennis singles matches nowadays.
Simply put, it's not always about the creme de la creme skilled players or the top 1% of the elite. 2v2, if done correctly with proper dedicated 2v2 maps, could be a breath of fresh air and a fun addition to the professional sc2 scene.
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2v2 is horribly imbalanced at the very top levels, and the maps are god-awful.
I don't expect Blizzard to be able to balance all the 2v2 match-ups too, but if they put in better maps, then maybe it'd be a nice breath of fresh air (if everyone is okay with only 2-3 match-ups the whole time).
On December 19 2013 08:55 Fliparoni wrote:
In tennis, singles aka 1v1, has by far the most prestige in terms of viewership and prize money. This, however, does not stop a large amount of people from enjoying and watching professional level doubles aka 2v2 tennis matches at the largest tennis tournaments worldwide (the grand slams and masters level events). It's fun and offers a different viewing experience than your typical tennis singles matches nowadays.
Simply put, it's not always about the creme de la creme skilled players or the top 1% of the elite. 2v2, if done correctly with proper dedicated 2v2 maps, could be a breath of fresh air and a fun addition to the professional sc2 scene.
Tennis is balanced though, and the ~4 maps aren't absurd 
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