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AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
November 11 2013 23:51 GMT
#41
Super ROFL at all the nerds here crying and saying they are not playing after these changes...

These changes are good...so is the fact you cry babies are going to quit playing...

The tank buff will make early Blink Stalker play significantly weaker (a good thing) - It will also make Roach busts weaker ( a good thing). The Oracle buff gives the Oracle more longevity (a good thing). The WM nerf means heavy ling play is more feasible v T ( a good thing). All those positives easily cancel out any negatives...
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
November 11 2013 23:51 GMT
#42
Oracle buff making it through is impossible to understand. It reflects in the polls.
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
November 11 2013 23:51 GMT
#43
So much butthurt...

I wonder how many even tried the test map
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 11 2013 23:53 GMT
#44
The oracle change is cool but I'm super confused by it...they said explicitly at that SC2 panel this weekend that they didn't think people would be able to appreciate better micro tools when asked about that LaLush video. At the very least it seems inconsistent.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 23:54:49
November 11 2013 23:54 GMT
#45
didn't DK saw what an oracle can be when it was putted in the hands of good protoss player such as sOs?
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
November 11 2013 23:54 GMT
#46
The whining about the Oracle change reminds me of all the whining about Warp Prism buff, which turned out to be a great change that made SC2 vastly better and more watchable.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
November 11 2013 23:55 GMT
#47
Really don't see a reason for oracle buffs, sorry Dkim.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
( bush
Profile Joined April 2011
321 Posts
November 11 2013 23:56 GMT
#48
As a terran, I'm definitely switching to protoss in this patch. It'll be fun.
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
November 11 2013 23:56 GMT
#49
On November 12 2013 08:54 awesomoecalypse wrote:
The whining about the Oracle change reminds me of all the whining about Warp Prism buff, which turned out to be a great change that made SC2 vastly better and more watchable.


There were almost no whine about it, it was an underused unit and even terrans where kinda glad about it. Oracle is already imbalanced and will be much more in the future.
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
November 11 2013 23:56 GMT
#50
I like the tank buff...just needs one more....give it stim :D
Nightsz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada398 Posts
November 11 2013 23:56 GMT
#51
Really? They ended up nerfing the siege tank's atk spd? Wtf are they thinking.
ImperialFist
Profile Joined April 2013
790 Posts
November 11 2013 23:57 GMT
#52
Really bad changes
"In the name of Holy Terra I challenge, Take up arms, for the Emperor’s Justice falls on you!"
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
November 11 2013 23:57 GMT
#53
On November 12 2013 08:53 Heyoka wrote:
The oracle change is cool but I'm super confused by it...they said explicitly at that SC2 panel this weekend that they didn't think people would be able to appreciate better micro tools when asked about that LaLush video. At the very least it seems inconsistent.


AFAIK that's not what they said; their point (according to Cloacken's comment afterwards, at least) was that they preferred for micro that is more visually apparent and easier to understand rather than something that relies on complex hidden mechanics.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
November 11 2013 23:57 GMT
#54
On November 12 2013 08:54 SamirDuran wrote:
didn't DK saw what an oracle can be when it was putted in the hands of good protoss players such as sOs?


You mean getting picked off or shut down almost right away in nearly every game? If the motivation behind the Oracle buff is that it is too slow and fragile for even very skilled players to consistently keep it alive, then sOs' games were a decent demonstration of that being the case.

Of course, I think basing everything one one tournament is more than a little sily. But if you look around at Protoss play in general on the pro level, Oracles as a unit that remains alive and active throughout the game isn't really something we see almost ever.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
November 11 2013 23:58 GMT
#55
On November 12 2013 08:56 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 08:54 awesomoecalypse wrote:
The whining about the Oracle change reminds me of all the whining about Warp Prism buff, which turned out to be a great change that made SC2 vastly better and more watchable.


There were almost no whine about it, it was an underused unit and even terrans where kinda glad about it. Oracle is already imbalanced and will be much more in the future.


There was a ton of whine about it, particularly from Terrans who were butthurt that Vikings could no longer catch Prisms.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
November 11 2013 23:58 GMT
#56
On November 12 2013 08:57 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 08:54 SamirDuran wrote:
didn't DK saw what an oracle can be when it was putted in the hands of good protoss players such as sOs?


You mean getting picked off or shut down almost right away in nearly every game? If the motivation behind the Oracle buff is that it is too slow and fragile for even very skilled players to consistently keep it alive, then sOs' games were a decent demonstration of that being the case.

Of course, I think basing everything one one tournament is more than a little sily. But if you look around at Protoss play in general on the pro level, Oracles as a unit that remains alive and active throughout the game isn't really something we see almost ever.


If it wasn't good, sOs wouldn't have done it 7 games in a row at Blizzcon.
Nerevar
Profile Joined January 2013
547 Posts
November 11 2013 23:59 GMT
#57
I'd expect at least another big balance patch before WCS starts up again next year, especially after hearing that the balance team still really wants to make mech work not only against Zerg but against Protoss as well. We'll see what changes they'll come up with as these new changes coincide with shifts in racial balance in tournaments.

I also hope that more details of the 2.1 patch beta come out soon. I'm eager to hear what the remastered BW music sounds like.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 12 2013 00:00 GMT
#58
On November 12 2013 08:57 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 08:54 SamirDuran wrote:
didn't DK saw what an oracle can be when it was putted in the hands of good protoss players such as sOs?


You mean getting picked off or shut down almost right away in nearly every game? If the motivation behind the Oracle buff is that it is too slow and fragile for even very skilled players to consistently keep it alive, then sOs' games were a decent demonstration of that being the case.

Of course, I think basing everything one one tournament is more than a little sily. But if you look around at Protoss play in general on the pro level, Oracles as a unit that remains alive and active throughout the game isn't really something we see almost ever.

Yea, it's insanely hard to keep an Oracle alive. sOs' Oracles barely did anything in the Bomber series, in the Polt series they did good in 1 or 2 games and nothing in the others. I think it's pretty awesome now, if you're good enough you can clip a Mutalisk flock with Revelation and escape.
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
November 12 2013 00:00 GMT
#59
YEY lets all get raped by oracles !
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suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
November 12 2013 00:03 GMT
#60
ah fuck it time to offrace as toss
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