EPTDK nerfing terran as always. Bad times of WoL will be soon back.
HotS Balance Update - November 11 - Page 25
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Foudzing
France181 Posts
DK nerfing terran as always. Bad times of WoL will be soon back. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:22 SiroKO wrote: Is this a joke or do they really believe a 7% DPS buff for siege tanks will make them viable and compensate a 30-50% widow mine nerf ? I think I've seen both Maru and Bomber(which means it is against top competition) win with tanks even before the buff. Imagine what could happen now | ||
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blackbrrd
Norway477 Posts
On November 12 2013 08:31 Faust852 wrote: Stupid patch, fucking useless. Just delete terran from the game it would be the same. Upgrade change ? Only affect TvT, Tanks ? Only affect TvT, Oracles ? YEY SO STRONK LATEGAME NOW ! IT S NOT LIKE SOS AND DUCKDEOK WON THEIR TVP WITH PROXY ORACLES. Mines ? Lmao, 49% WR in TvZ but nerfing the unit to dead will be much better. Fucking Blizzard and their fucking ideas. The constant MMMM in TvZ was getting quiiiiite boring. A mix between tanks/mine would be nice. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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Comadevil
Germany214 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:29 Muffloe wrote: I think I've seen both Maru and Bomber(which means it is against top competition) win with tanks even before the buff. Imagine what could happen now Well maybe we will see some different and exciting games but i guess more not-pro terrans will give up their race if it stays like that | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On November 12 2013 17:11 iznobest wrote: Getting cheesed by protoss about 90% of the games in master's, while their macro play abilities have never been stronger. As a non-korean its already very difficult to take little damage from oracle, and this will make it virtually impossible to even survive at all. The WM nerf and the useless tank upgrade (doesnt help at all vs viper) will make terrans want to cheese zergs, or throw 2 base allins. There will be hardly any way to stop mass 2/2 lingbling muta play without WM; maybe if youre a top korean and have insane splits. The biggest problem for me is these tank buffs+armory buffs will make mech insanely strong in TVT, with an absurd transition for them into BC's which will be unstoppable for bio players like me. I actually don't see anything good at all in this patch, sad  1) know your oracle timings. Have marines ready in the main mineral line when oracles should arrive. If nothing comes in a minute or so it's not oracles. If something does come, defend with the marines and build turret. 2) mass 2/2 lingbling muta play = slow hive, why not get some tanks if your marine splits are the problem, or thors if the mutas are annoying? Eventually you will have so many mines that they can't engage anyways. 3) Tank attack speed buff is the sort of thing that seems very important in this matchup but actually isn't. Normally bio entails marine-tank play: a) Marines vs tanks Marines die in 2 shots so now the tank takes 0.2 seconds less to kill your attacking marines (the first shot is still instant, the second shot is now 0.2 seconds faster). I don't think that matters much to be honest. b) Tanks vs tanks right, no difference here 4) It seems to me that even in air transitions 3 things happen: a) you get air they kill you while you're getting your air up b) you get air and hold, then you are able to deny their bases because they can't shoot up well enough c) you get air and they get air, in which case it often comes down to raven control. It's only in this case that mech getting +3 by default really matters, and still by the time the air meet you shouldn't be very much behind in upgrades. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
High dmg is the problem of this game. Spellcaster units are always good additions since it's more complex micro, like the MSC, viper, or revelation for Oracles. | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:40 massivez wrote: Is the patch live in Europe? Pretty sure it is, at least in some Unit Tester it was so I don't see why it wouldn't be in ladder but I haven't tried it yet :-) Oracle buff seems unnecessary to me, the rest seems fine but nothing that will dramatically shift balance one way or the other. | ||
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c0se
Germany148 Posts
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
I didnt like how the oracles felt when moving them so I understand a quality of life kind of fix but this is just a straight up buff which I dont understand at all. Really dont. That new alterzim stronghold will be even more fun vs protoss now.... :o That map truly shows the power of warp gate. So sad that a core production mechanic affecting maps in such a huge way. | ||
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Foudzing
France181 Posts
1) know your oracle timings. Have marines ready in the main mineral line when oracles should arrive. If nothing comes in a minute or so it's not oracles. If something does come, defend with the marines and build turret. An Oracle beat 6 marines head to head. The fact that terran players were forced to do a shitty reactor build because of this unit and can't one-rax expand anymore was not enough I guess. Whereas now with OP photon charge (still not nerfed by the way) a protoss can easily Nexus first with no a problem. Make photon charge shorter will reduce his power against allins and timing attacks (which is really to strong atm in any machup) and still not nerfed against harass (I agree having a defense against harass is necessarry for protosses). Protoss is the strongest race by far now. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:29 Muffloe wrote: I think I've seen both Maru and Bomber(which means it is against top competition) win with tanks even before the buff. Imagine what could happen now Yeah when playing agasint roach openings........ | ||
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drkcid
Spain196 Posts
Typical Blizzard attitude: if something is not right, nerf Terran. WM nerf will have a big inpact in TvZ but tank buff will change nothing in any machup. Z changes ok, and P changes totally no needed. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:47 Fjodorov wrote: Yeah when playing agasint roach openings........ Just wait and see then.. not promising anything tho ^^ | ||
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
- TvP lategame - TvP Protoss cheese possibilties vs Terran early game strategies | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:30 blackbrrd wrote: The constant MMMM in TvZ was getting quiiiiite boring. A mix between tanks/mine would be nice. How is 4M more boring than muta ling bling? Did you know that zergs could have dealt with widows mines if they mixed in roaches to tank the WM shots? Why didn't they do it? Because it would make their comp have much less mobility. This is the same reason why terrans don't want to HAVE to mix in tanks. Not sure why blizzard is forcing a tank/mine mix when they don't force zergs to include roaches in their muta ling bling comp. | ||
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Creager
Germany1895 Posts
On November 12 2013 19:00 vthree wrote: How is 4M more boring than muta ling bling? Did you know that zergs could have dealt with widows mines if they mixed in roaches to tank the WM shots? Why didn't they do it? Because it would make their comp have much less mobility. This is the same reason why terrans don't want to HAVE to mix in tanks. Not sure why blizzard is forcing a tank/mine mix when they don't force zergs to include roaches in their muta ling bling comp. Quite clever thinking, good analogy. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On November 12 2013 19:00 vthree wrote: How is 4M more boring than muta ling bling? Did you know that zergs could have dealt with widows mines if they mixed in roaches to tank the WM shots? Why didn't they do it? Because it would make their comp have much less mobility. This is the same reason why terrans don't want to HAVE to mix in tanks. Not sure why blizzard is forcing a tank/mine mix when they don't force zergs to include roaches in their muta ling bling comp. That's not true at all Zerg tried to mix in Roaches, but they are so cost-ineffective vs bio-mine (in supply and cost), they stopped and they only play muta now. Because you can be really cost effective with good muta micro and multitask, whereas you cant with roaches. | ||
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