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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On November 12 2013 16:55 c0olL wrote: Problem with Mech is vipers and immortals, the combined upgrades wont change it. Vikings help against vipers and banshees help against immortals and both of those get free upgrades now. I'm not saying mech will be great now but combined upgrades does help against both units. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:02 mihajovics wrote: there have been patches before where everyone was bitchin' yet it turned out okay. for a change, let's look at the possible poitive outcomes: - maybe the ZvT composition will be more diversified with some tanks sprinkled in - hopefully we will start to see BC's in the matchup, if so we're half way there only the carrier remains to be fixed  - the roach speed buff is pretty big and might help zerg to transition out of the middle game roachfest and itt will definitely help with end game shenanigans i would like to see some structural design changes too, but the time for that is the next expansion There have also been patches (Queen patch), that completely broke the game and left it shattered for the remainder of that particular time frame. This patch will solve very little, because the problems with mech and sky transitions where never about upgrades. I really do wish people would try to understand this game better, so I wouldn't have to point out how wrong their assumptions are each and every time they post. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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klup
France612 Posts
I really look forward to see how hellbat marauder viking will do vs protoss now with the upgrades. It feels that this patch will maybe open mech play in all MU. I still wonder though how terrans can deal with protoss with mech but maybe WCS 2014 season 1 will give us the answer. | ||
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Mutineer
New Zealand179 Posts
Terran should have one upgrade apply to ALL units, because terran have 9 types of production buildings. Zergs on other hand should have separate upgrade for every unit because they have 1 production building. Toss should be something in between. What makes terran not fun is extrime cost of switching, when it cost nothign for zerg and little for toss. | ||
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
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ETisME
12676 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:08 NovemberstOrm wrote: I think it'd be cool if Oracle damage was reduced, and it was given another ability to make it a utility type of unit for protoss. I agree as well, it's in a such a weird spot. early game chessy/worker raid unit, a support unit in mid to late game. but the support utility is too weak (?) to justify the production in mid game. would love blizzard to actually push it to become a full utility unit instead | ||
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c0olL
129 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:04 Bagi wrote: Vikings help against vipers and banshees help against immortals and both of those get free upgrades now. I'm not saying mech will be great now but combined upgrades does help against both units. banshees in mid game vs P? are you serious? Vikings may help, but 2 or 3 imbaclouds can finish the game for T. its not worth the risk. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:13 ETisME wrote: I agree as well, it's in a such a weird spot. early game chessy/worker raid unit, a support unit in mid to late game. but the support utility is too weak (?) to justify the production in mid game. would love blizzard to actually push it to become a full utility unit instead I am a low apm toss, so that would be like, 4(?) control groups for army to manage then, with sentrys, the army itself, oracles, and possibly ht's or maybe a keybind for msc. I guess it would make me fast tho xD | ||
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
But seriously they really need to look at oracle again. If this change won't be taken away, I want to see decrease in accelartion (just to make micro harder) or dmg. btw, does it mean that they increased the burrow speed itself rather than roach speed upgrade buffing burrow speed? That's interesting. I still want tunneling claw to be lower cost though... Nevertheless, overall balance changes are good  | ||
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Fody03
Italy310 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:15 c0olL wrote: banshees in mid game vs P? are you serious? Vikings may help, but 2 or 3 imbaclouds can finish the game for T. its not worth the risk. For people trying to understand mech vs P,Banshee is a very useful tool during the whole game,you only need to watch their games (avilo,HTOmario..) | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:16 Muffloe wrote: I am a low apm toss, so that would be like, 4(?) control groups for army to manage then, with sentrys, the army itself, oracles, and possibly ht's or maybe a keybind for msc. I guess it would make me fast tho xD Well, you don't always have to have the MSC hotkeyed. Templar and your main army are the most important tools. Depending on your strategy and unit composition you may want stalkers/air units on an extra one and a warp prism/oracle added. Why not, definitely doable. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:04 Bagi wrote: Vikings help against vipers and banshees help against immortals and both of those get free upgrades now. I'm not saying mech will be great now but combined upgrades does help against both units. If the map doesnt look like Akilon Wastes with 3 expos tied together, you gonna have a bad time with mech when Mr. Warprism comes to remind you, that attacking the P was a bad idea. I am really afraid of what happens when LotV is out for like half a year. Because then really nobody is gonna give a damn about the game problems anymore. These patches are stalling for time, nothing else. | ||
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Quixotic_tv
Germany130 Posts
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:13 ReMinD_ wrote: Both Oracle and Widow Mine are stupid units that never should've been added to game. No amount of tweaking is going to make them balanced. They'll either be overpowered or underpowered. I'm not sure about widow mine, but oracle has hope. it is a spell caster. you can have 'any' spells. Oracle had enormous changes in beta remember? I wish they will change again in Lotv | ||
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On November 12 2013 18:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: Well, you don't always have to have the MSC hotkeyed. Templar and your main army are the most important tools. Depending on your strategy and unit composition you may want stalkers/air units on an extra one and a warp prism/oracle added. Why not, definitely doable. I guess, yeah. Maybe I am just worried about getting confused by all the spellcasters, if it so would be necessary for toss to use them all that is | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
Not gonna participate in that tank debate, though I would love to see it become badass again instead of a pussy unit that fires off 1 shot and dies. | ||
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