It’s official: Revival tied with NaNiwa for 16th place in the 2013 World Championship Series Global Standings. While only 16 players can compete in the 2013 StarCraft II WCS Global Finals at BlizzCon, 17 have qualified due to this tie in WCS points. As we previously stated, a tiebreaker match will be played between Revival and NaNiwa prior to BlizzCon to determine who will compete in the Global Finals.
Both players are already at the Blizzard Irvine Campus and the best-of-five match will be played on Tuesday, November 5 at 11:00 a.m. PST. The match will be broadcast live with commentary on StarCraft2.com/WCS in free 720p and VODs will be available as soon as possible after the match concludes.
The winner will earn a place in the WCS Global Finals competitor lineup and face the indomitable number one seed Soulkey in his first match of the tournament.
Edit: That's an... odd time lol Literally everyone in north america that works will probably be at work. I guess nani is european, might as well cater to their time
Whoever wins will be mauled by Soulkey, but it would be fun to have one foreigner at least enter the top 16 at Blizzcon (there are no others, as far as I know).
On November 05 2013 04:17 ffadicted wrote: That's an... odd time lol Literally everyone in north america that works will probably be at work. I guess nani is european, might as well cater to their time
Not really 2 am, perhaps Asia will tune in though.
On November 05 2013 04:17 ffadicted wrote: That's an... odd time lol Literally everyone in north america that works will probably be at work. I guess nani is european, might as well cater to their time
Not really 2 am, perhaps Asia will tune in though.
On November 05 2013 04:17 ffadicted wrote: That's an... odd time lol Literally everyone in north america that works will probably be at work. I guess nani is european, might as well cater to their time
Not really 2 am, perhaps Asia will tune in though.
On November 05 2013 04:17 ffadicted wrote: That's an... odd time lol Literally everyone in north america that works will probably be at work. I guess nani is european, might as well cater to their time
Not really 2 am, perhaps Asia will tune in though.
2am?! AFAIK it should be 7pm GMT / 8pm CET
to clarify - it's at 19:00 GMT (+00:00) (this should convert if you've set your TL preferences)
On November 05 2013 04:17 ffadicted wrote: That's an... odd time lol Literally everyone in north america that works will probably be at work. I guess nani is european, might as well cater to their time
Not really 2 am, perhaps Asia will tune in though.
I don't know if you understood timezones correct. It's -9 hours from EU to West Coast not the other way around lol. It's 2 a.m. somewhere in Asia (3 a.m. in Korea afaik), 8 p.m. or 20:00 for EU
On November 05 2013 04:31 autechr3 wrote: If Naniwa can't beat Revival, he sure as fuck wont beat Soulkey, though I really hope he does.
Actually, in SC2, you never know. After winning the Season 3 Global Finals, I think Dear lost in the Red Bull NYC qualifier earlier this week.
Online is very very very different from offline, don't even compare the two. The point reminds though that even a 80% winrate still leaves you with 20% of your games that you do loose.
On November 05 2013 04:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Btw. did Taeja already get his 500$?
edit: for clarification, it's the money Naniwa offered for taking out Revival and Taeja won their bo3.
Taking out Revival implies that Revival doesn't make it through. Since Revival made it through that cancels the bounty transaction since the bounty was not successful.
On November 05 2013 04:31 autechr3 wrote: If Naniwa can't beat Revival, he sure as fuck wont beat Soulkey, though I really hope he does.
Actually, in SC2, you never know. After winning the Season 3 Global Finals, I think Dear lost in the Red Bull NYC qualifier earlier this week.
Online is very very very different from offline, don't even compare the two. The point reminds though that even a 80% winrate still leaves you with 20% of your games that you do loose.
My point is that the original quote, "If Naniwa can't beat Revival, he sure as fuck wont beat Soulkey, though I really hope he does" isnt' necessarily true, for the exact reasons you just mentioned
Although I would point out that if the win rate is really as high as 80%, that makes a BO3 or BO5 winrate even higher than 80% (due to the way probability works).
On November 05 2013 04:31 autechr3 wrote: If Naniwa can't beat Revival, he sure as fuck wont beat Soulkey, though I really hope he does.
Actually, in SC2, you never know. After winning the Season 3 Global Finals, I think Dear lost in the Red Bull NYC qualifier earlier this week.
Online is very very very different from offline, don't even compare the two. The point reminds though that even a 80% winrate still leaves you with 20% of your games that you do loose.
My point is that the original quote, "If Naniwa can't beat Revival, he sure as fuck wont beat Soulkey, though I really hope he does" isnt' necessarily true, for the exact reasons you just mentioned
Although I would point out that if the win rate is really as high as 80%, that makes a BO3 or BO5 winrate even higher than 80% (due to the way probability works).
I guess I should say "If Naniwa can't beat revival, it is unlikely that he would beat Soulkey". I realize the top of the sc2 pro scene is a volatile place, but I doubt anyone would take odds in favor of Naniwa beating Soulkey but not Revival on a good day.
On November 05 2013 04:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Btw. did Taeja already get his 500$?
edit: for clarification, it's the money Naniwa offered for taking out Revival and Taeja won their bo3.
Taking out Revival implies that Revival doesn't make it through. Since Revival made it through that cancels the bounty transaction since the bounty was not successful.
But how should a single player accomplish that? It was doube elim.
On November 05 2013 04:28 JustPassingBy wrote: Btw. did Taeja already get his 500$?
edit: for clarification, it's the money Naniwa offered for taking out Revival and Taeja won their bo3.
Taking out Revival implies that Revival doesn't make it through. Since Revival made it through that cancels the bounty transaction since the bounty was not successful.
But how should a single player accomplish that? It was doube elim.
Whoever knocked Revival out would get the money. So it would've been Jonsnow if he had won their final match.
Seeing how the match is played in the US, that is indeed somewhat of an odd time, but us Europeans will happily take that and scream our lungs out for good ol' Nanners.
FML look at the korean only finals. Casual viewer like me will tune in WCS finals only if Naniwa is there. Not that other players don't have stories to tell, but their stories are hard to catch by newbies like me. For non hardcore SC2 fans korean only finals make no sense in "international" championship. Rooting for Nani !
Naniwa - Protoss (my race), foreign (storyline), deserves it, and is Naniwa.
Revival - Tournament needs more Zergs, is EG (not just Alliance), could feasibly beat Soulkey in a ZvZ while Naniwa is unlikely to overcome in PvZ (underdog).
As long as it's a good series, I don't mind who wins.
The most hilarious turn of events this finals would be if Naniwa won this match, beats Soulkey at Blizzcon and advance all the way to the finals where he beat Taeja 4-0 or whatever it's best of and then proceeded to pay Taeja 500$ at the prize ceremony. :D
On November 05 2013 07:37 Ohforfsake wrote: The most hilarious turn of events this finals would be if Naniwa won this match, beats Soulkey at Blizzcon and advance all the way to the finals where he beat Taeja 4-0 or whatever it's best of and then proceeded to pay Taeja 500$ at the prize ceremony. :D
On November 05 2013 04:59 Roman666 wrote: Naniwa has this, unless he beats himself.
Ok man, this is b*llsh*t.
I fine with both of them, im a fan of EG an like to see foreigners. So the outcome is not that importend to me.
But Naniwa is NOT highly favoured. He can loose to Revival without beating himself.
Revival had good games even in PL and finished second in WCS USA 1 (?) and won IEM Shanghai.
Naniwa has horrible loosing streaks alternate with great play.
Everything can happen.
nani is far superior to revival in skill right now, having played both of them recently, on the average day naniwa will win easily.
Who are you? And what else do you know about their power levels? I'm assuming it's not just about your experience in a PvZ against Naniwa, a ZvZ versus Revival.
Revival has some of the worst mechanics and nao awareness of any 'pro zergs' that plays this game. I hope Naniwa wins just because we need a foreign up and Revival doesn't really compare to anyone else left in the tournament.
I wonder how many viewers for the main tournament depend on the results of this match. Having a foreigner there could mean thousands of viewers more. Anyway, I'm happy this game is coming at a time when I'm able to watch it. Go Nani!
On November 05 2013 08:35 SoFrOsTy wrote: Revival has some of the worst mechanics and nao awareness of any 'pro zergs' that plays this game. I hope Naniwa wins just because we need a foreign up and Revival doesn't really compare to anyone else left in the tournament.
Ummmm....
Revival was regarded as one of the best EG-TL members who would have worse results during the actual Proleague games than in practice...
For the hope of my viewing pleasure I hope Naniwa makes it in. I probably will watch the finals and any heavily recommended games only if he doesn't make it in.
On November 05 2013 12:40 NovemberstOrm wrote: Kaelaris and Apollo will be casting!
How is that going to work? Kaelaris is still in Europe last I heard. Unless he's pulling an AM challenger league and casting via Skype with Apollo on site.
On further review, it appears that Kaelaris will be in the ESL studio while Apollo is on site. Wonderful for them to back door Kaelaris into the broadcast, although I'm still sad he won't be at Blizzcon. Then again, neither will I. But I'll be watching.
Go NaNi! You might have been mean to me when we met for the first time at DreamHack Winter last year but you're still a foreigner. I'm pulling for ya dude! Hopefully you'll get the opportunity to lay the smack down on more Koreans than just revival on the big Blizzcon stage! <3
Just in case some of you guys in Asia got the timing wrong. I know it's confusing but the EU had daylight savings kick in 2 weeks ago, and the US had theirs last week. To make things clear so that you don't miss the game.
The game will be held 1100H PST in Los Angeles, That is the same as:
1900H (Nov 5th) in the UK 2000H (Nov 5th) in CET (FR, BE, DE, NL, etc) 0300H (Nov 6th) in Singapore, Hong Kong 0400H (Nov 6th) in Korea
On November 05 2013 04:17 ffadicted wrote: That's an... odd time lol Literally everyone in north america that works will probably be at work. I guess nani is european, might as well cater to their time
Not really 2 am, perhaps Asia will tune in though.
i feel like if Nani looses this we will have kinda equally same Viewer numbers for this series as for the main event. I feel like Naniwa alone can gather up to 50.000 Viewers for his showing...
Revival can be a bit crazy and unpredictable, atleast thats my impression of him but I will admit I havent seen many games of him in the last couple of months. If Naniwa doesnt underestimate him I think he has a very chance of providing us with the foreign hope we all want so much at blizzcon.
I bet TL is going down for at least 2 hours if Naniwa manages to get to the 5th game vs Soulkey in spectacular games and does his epic double 8 gate to close it out.
On November 05 2013 22:33 SC2Toastie wrote: I bet TL is going down for at least 2 hours if Naniwa manages to get to the 5th game vs Soulkey in spectacular games and does his epic double 8 gate to close it out.
Wow the amount of story going into this game - amazing! I can't wait to watch the series. NaNi and Revival are well-matched in terms of skill. It'll be a blast.
I really like the WCS Grand Finals format - they've really gotten the best 16 players into the weekend, and it's going to be epic. I'm running a bracket pool with my friends!
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
I don't know I feel like anytime we have a foreigner vs a Korean in a big match we tend to root for the foreigner. And lets face it blizzcon repersents the "global finals" but it really is more or less the GSL Code S. TOp tier koreans and Naniwa(yes I predict Naniwa wins and I hope he does it will give me motivation to watch)
On November 05 2013 19:29 RyF wrote: i feel like if Nani looses this we will have kinda equally same Viewer numbers for this series as for the main event. I feel like Naniwa alone can gather up to 50.000 Viewers for his showing...
let's see... gl Nani you really deserve it!!!
Sorry but you are nuts. there is no way Naniwa can get 50k on his own.
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
While this might be true in a lot of cases; how does it make sence in this one? The winning player will have a higher skill level this week, regardless, whether he is swedish or korean. Making a case for the skill level being lower, if the winner of a qualification match advances, does make absolutely 0 sence.
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
I have a difficult time understanding this attitude in what's supposed to be a Global tournament. If I watch a Global tourney in any sport I want to see competitors from multiple nations (33% (ballpark) maximum from the same nation).
You're right that Koreans have proved themselves to be better but if you want to watch Korean vs Korean all the time you have GSL, OSL, and Proleague.
On November 05 2013 23:22 Haedley wrote: Oh they even broadcast it, didn't knew that. Is MVP vs aLive also shown?
There is no MVP vs aLive tiebreaker, rules work different for them. Most WCS tournament points.
Last time I checked they had both 3600pts and Liquipedia said they have to play a Tiebreaker o_0
"Ties within the top 16 WCS players will be decided by cumulative points earned only in World Championship Series America, Europe, Korea, and Season Finals events."
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
9 times out of 10 I might agree with you, higher skill level is better. But Revival isn't one of those players. Naniwa has consistently shown far superior play than Revival. Revival is one of he worst players left. Poor mechanics, poor map awareness, spends too much time spamming instead of actually getting things done, and poor decision making.
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
In this situation, you're wrong. NaNiwa is a multiple-time Ro8 Code S finisher, and Revival is mid-low tier Korean. It will be a better tournament with NaNiwa in it, overall.
Even if he wins NaNi has to play freaking Soulkey next anyway.
On November 05 2013 23:22 Haedley wrote: Oh they even broadcast it, didn't knew that. Is MVP vs aLive also shown?
There is no MVP vs aLive tiebreaker, rules work different for them. Most WCS tournament points.
Last time I checked they had both 3600pts and Liquipedia said they have to play a Tiebreaker o_0
aLive still had to play challenger league, They were both tied BEFORE aLive played challenger, he got 1st in his group, earned 25 extra points. putting him above Mvp and making the Mvp vs Jaedong matchup a fact
On November 05 2013 23:22 Haedley wrote: Oh they even broadcast it, didn't knew that. Is MVP vs aLive also shown?
There is no MVP vs aLive tiebreaker, rules work different for them. Most WCS tournament points.
Last time I checked they had both 3600pts and Liquipedia said they have to play a Tiebreaker o_0
aLive still had to play challenger league, They were both tied BEFORE aLive played challenger, he got 1st in his group, earned 25 extra points. putting him above Mvp and making the Mvp vs Jaedong matchup a fact
aLive already made out of his group so he is ahead of Mvp now.
On November 05 2013 04:59 Roman666 wrote: Naniwa has this, unless he beats himself.
Ok man, this is b*llsh*t.
I fine with both of them, im a fan of EG an like to see foreigners. So the outcome is not that importend to me.
But Naniwa is NOT highly favoured. He can loose to Revival without beating himself.
Revival had good games even in PL and finished second in WCS USA 1 (?) and won IEM Shanghai.
Naniwa has horrible loosing streaks alternate with great play.
Everything can happen.
You misunderstood my point. The point was, that all depends on his mentality on that day. If he is in a good mental form, he can take out Revival. It was not about Revival being week up to the point that Naniwa would have to throw him the games.
Anyway, only 2h left, this will be interesting, as this is a $5000 worth best of 5.
On November 06 2013 02:03 pms wrote: So... What is going on?... Why there is even no thread for this game? This sucks, nobody is going to watch the most important game of the year!!!
On November 06 2013 02:03 pms wrote: So... What is going on?... Why there is even no thread for this game? This sucks, nobody is going to watch the most important game of the year!!!
(For trolls: it's an intentional exaggeration ;P)
It's in the day 1 WCS thread
Thanks! It's weird though, cause this game starts a couple of days before the Blizzcon.
Definitely rooting for Naniwa, since it would be awesome to have a European player in the Blizzcon, but I also think that Revival deserves the spot should he beat Naniwa, even if he really got lucky because of the IEM mistake by the ESL.
On November 06 2013 02:03 pms wrote: So... What is going on?... Why there is even no thread for this game? This sucks, nobody is going to watch the most important game of the year!!!
(For trolls: it's an intentional exaggeration ;P)
It's in the day 1 WCS thread
Thanks! It's weird though, cause this game starts a couple of days before the Blizzcon.
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Honestly, I could agree with you if it were Life or Parting or Flash who are fighting Naniwa for this last spot... but Revival? I think Naniwa overall has a better chance of making a miracle run to the finals than he does (though with Soulkey as the gatekeeper, I don't know that this match really matters so much anyway).
The whole foreign scene is cheering for Naniwa here. He's had a hell of a season and has proven that he can beat fantastic Korean players at their own game. Take away a couple of misclicks and forgotten forcefields vs. Life and he may have won IEM outright. You're getting top-notch skill with this Swedish Protoss baller.
I generally have your mindset. I always want the best to win, and that's almost always the Koreans. But today... today, I'm rooting for NANIWA!
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Honestly, I could agree with you if it were Life or Parting or Flash who are fighting Naniwa for this last spot... but Revival? I think Naniwa overall has a better chance of making a miracle run to the finals than he does (though with Soulkey as the gatekeeper, I don't know that this match really matters so much anyway).
The whole foreign scene is cheering for Naniwa here. He's had a hell of a season and has proven that he can beat fantastic Korean players at their own game. Take away a couple of misclicks and forgotten forcefields vs. Life and he may have won IEM outright. You're getting top-notch skill with this Swedish Protoss baller.
I generally have your mindset. I always want the best to win, and that's almost always the Koreans. But today... today, I'm rooting for NANIWA!
No he had no shot against life, cmon. I respect him as a player, but dont like his personality, who should i root for now? :D
On November 05 2013 23:22 Haedley wrote: Oh they even broadcast it, didn't knew that. Is MVP vs aLive also shown?
There is no MVP vs aLive tiebreaker, rules work different for them. Most WCS tournament points.
Last time I checked they had both 3600pts and Liquipedia said they have to play a Tiebreaker o_0
aLive still had to play challenger league, They were both tied BEFORE aLive played challenger, he got 1st in his group, earned 25 extra points. putting him above Mvp and making the Mvp vs Jaedong matchup a fact
aLive already made out of his group so he is ahead of Mvp now.
On November 06 2013 02:37 CakeSauc3 wrote: Honestly, I could agree with you if it were Life or Parting or Flash who are fighting Naniwa for this last spot... but Revival? I think Naniwa overall has a better chance of making a miracle run to the finals than he does (though with Soulkey as the gatekeeper, I don't know that this match really matters so much anyway).
The whole foreign scene is cheering for Naniwa here. He's had a hell of a season and has proven that he can beat fantastic Korean players at their own game. Take away a couple of misclicks and forgotten forcefields vs. Life and he may have won IEM outright. You're getting top-notch skill with this Swedish Protoss baller.
I generally have your mindset. I always want the best to win, and that's almost always the Koreans. But today... today, I'm rooting for NANIWA!
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Honestly, I could agree with you if it were Life or Parting or Flash who are fighting Naniwa for this last spot... but Revival? I think Naniwa overall has a better chance of making a miracle run to the finals than he does (though with Soulkey as the gatekeeper, I don't know that this match really matters so much anyway).
The whole foreign scene is cheering for Naniwa here. He's had a hell of a season and has proven that he can beat fantastic Korean players at their own game. Take away a couple of misclicks and forgotten forcefields vs. Life and he may have won IEM outright. You're getting top-notch skill with this Swedish Protoss baller.
I generally have your mindset. I always want the best to win, and that's almost always the Koreans. But today... today, I'm rooting for NANIWA!
I will always love this excuse. Well he would have won if he did x and y different or didn't miss z. But If Life did x and y different and didn't miss z he would have roflstomped Naniwa. stupid if's games make absolutely no sense in this kind of discussions.
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Honestly, I could agree with you if it were Life or Parting or Flash who are fighting Naniwa for this last spot... but Revival? I think Naniwa overall has a better chance of making a miracle run to the finals than he does (though with Soulkey as the gatekeeper, I don't know that this match really matters so much anyway).
The whole foreign scene is cheering for Naniwa here. He's had a hell of a season and has proven that he can beat fantastic Korean players at their own game. Take away a couple of misclicks and forgotten forcefields vs. Life and he may have won IEM outright. You're getting top-notch skill with this Swedish Protoss baller.
I generally have your mindset. I always want the best to win, and that's almost always the Koreans. But today... today, I'm rooting for NANIWA!
I will always love this excuse. Well he would have won if he did x and y different or didn't miss z. But If Life did x and y different and didn't miss z he would have roflstomped Naniwa. stupid if's games make absolutely no sense in this kind of discussions.
I generally agree if you're talking about strategic things - "if he build X instead of Y he would have beaten Life" arguments are always terrible.
But in this case, a simple misclick or missed forcefield is not strategic.. it's just an error. Like in baseball, you can say if X player hadn't dropped the fly ball, the Yankees would have been much closer to winning. There's no response that Life would have had... simply those lings wouldn't have killed any probes and the rest of the game would have played out favoring Naniwa more than it did.
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Honestly, I could agree with you if it were Life or Parting or Flash who are fighting Naniwa for this last spot... but Revival? I think Naniwa overall has a better chance of making a miracle run to the finals than he does (though with Soulkey as the gatekeeper, I don't know that this match really matters so much anyway).
The whole foreign scene is cheering for Naniwa here. He's had a hell of a season and has proven that he can beat fantastic Korean players at their own game. Take away a couple of misclicks and forgotten forcefields vs. Life and he may have won IEM outright. You're getting top-notch skill with this Swedish Protoss baller.
I generally have your mindset. I always want the best to win, and that's almost always the Koreans. But today... today, I'm rooting for NANIWA!
I will always love this excuse. Well he would have won if he did x and y different or didn't miss z. But If Life did x and y different and didn't miss z he would have roflstomped Naniwa. stupid if's games make absolutely no sense in this kind of discussions.
Sorry, but we're not having a discussion here. I'm hyped up and excited for Naniwa's chances to make it into Blizzcon - which, may I remind you, Life isn't attending.
On November 06 2013 00:36 Tanukki wrote: I feel kinda bad for Revival. Not often in e-sports does a player have so many viewers rooting against him.
There are probably a whole lot of koreans who want him to slay the last foreigner.
Also a lot of non-Koreans who want the same. I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Honestly, I could agree with you if it were Life or Parting or Flash who are fighting Naniwa for this last spot... but Revival? I think Naniwa overall has a better chance of making a miracle run to the finals than he does (though with Soulkey as the gatekeeper, I don't know that this match really matters so much anyway).
The whole foreign scene is cheering for Naniwa here. He's had a hell of a season and has proven that he can beat fantastic Korean players at their own game. Take away a couple of misclicks and forgotten forcefields vs. Life and he may have won IEM outright. You're getting top-notch skill with this Swedish Protoss baller.
I generally have your mindset. I always want the best to win, and that's almost always the Koreans. But today... today, I'm rooting for NANIWA!
No he had no shot against life, cmon. I respect him as a player, but dont like his personality, who should i root for now? :D
Root for Revival and hype him up - but I'd say taking two games off of Life and coming within a couple of supply of taking a third in a base race is a lot better than "he had no shot" :p
"This is a test to determine if there are any loops" "This is a test to determine if there are any loops" "This is a test to determine if there are any loops"
Yeah, I think we can determine that there are, in fact, loops :D
wow, that was really something from naniwa. He stands at his opponents 3rd at minute 9 with 5 sentries 2 immortals and tons of zealots, crazy strong build.
Revival threw that game. Made 15 too many drones, held anyways, and then chased stalkers off creep with slow hydras. People balance whining need to learn that Starcraft doesn't end when you get a lead, you still have to know how to win with it. Revival got a lead and made all the wrong choices when Naniwa got behind and made all the right choices.
I see naniwa about to lose his third with half the supply of revival... I alt tab and read some forums, check back and Naniwa is at 100 supply vs 50 and about to win... What
On November 06 2013 04:47 gophario wrote: Killing a 6:30 nexus with no losses is clearly a bad thing to do...
That one cannon at the 3rd had like 30 zergling kills alone <_< He also picked off some units with his main army since Revival's positioning was horrid.
On November 06 2013 04:49 An2quamaraN wrote: Naniwa is just on another level...goes to show that the only reason this match is happening is that Revival was given too many free WCS points
It was extremely unfair for sure. Luckily we have a player of naniwa's caliber to correct this horrible wrongdoing. When the worst happens, send the best to fix it.
I told you! Revival is arguably the worst pro zerg today. Shocking he even made it this far. He forced himself into the situation he was in for games 2 and 3 and didn't know what to do. So sad.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
The amount of people who thought revival was better than Naniwa really makes me laugh and shows a pretty clear disconnect between the fans and reality.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
The amount of people who thought revival was better than Naniwa really makes me laugh and shows a pretty clear disconnect between the fans and reality.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
The amount of people who thought revival was better than Naniwa really makes me laugh and shows a pretty clear disconnect between the fans and reality.
But he's Korean! In my mindless attempt at "following the scene", I don't actually pay attention to games. I just go with gut instinct and trends. I see a lot of Korean flags in top 8, so he must be better than naniwa!!
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
On November 06 2013 05:50 CreationSoul wrote: Now blizzcon will get at least 10000 more viewers.....
Until he falls to Soulkey. Then the tournament will lack the "foreigner flavor". And the very moment Soulkey and Jaedong don't make it further, the tournament will lose 90% of all zerg players. It's a T and P circlejerk from my point of view and I probably won't watch most of it which saddens me (for no reason?). :/
On November 06 2013 05:50 CreationSoul wrote: Now blizzcon will get at least 10000 more viewers.....
Until he falls to Soulkey. Then the tournament will lack the "foreigner flavor". And the very moment Soulkey and Jaedong don't make it further, the tournament will lose 90% of all zerg players. It's a T and P circlejerk from my point of view and I probably won't watch most of it which saddens me (for no reason?). :/
If you only watch tournaments and stop watching because of a specific race than that doesn't make you much of a Starcraft fan. (Not targeting you specifically just quoting what you said).
I'll will watch as much of BlizzCon as I can over here - even if Naniwa was knocked out today I'd still go watch it. The issue for me and most of Europe will be the timezone difference anyway. Anaheim is +9 for me so I'll see what I am *able* to watch.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
He hasn't been consistently a top 10 Protoss. and maybe Sora is new but there are certainly some Protosses in Korea that are better . Take Parting, Rain, or Trap for example. However, Nani certainly earned his spot at Blizzcon so I'm not arguing that.
Even though I wanted Naniwa to advance, I was hoping for some epic matches between the two. Then, I saw the VOD's and holy shit, Revival just played awful! He is considered to be an average Korean zerg, but wow the mistakes he made on games 2 and 3 reminded me of the pre-patch WoL days when zergs drone too hard or have their units hopelessly trapped in FF. Naniwa definitely deserved that BlizzCon spot!
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
He hasn't been consistently a top 10 Protoss. and maybe Sora is new but there are certainly some Protosses in Korea that are better . Take Parting, Rain, or Trap for example. However, Nani certainly earned his spot at Blizzcon so I'm not arguing that.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
He hasn't been consistently a top 10 Protoss. and maybe Sora is new but there are certainly some Protosses in Korea that are better . Take Parting, Rain, or Trap for example. However, Nani certainly earned his spot at Blizzcon so I'm not arguing that.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
He hasn't been consistently a top 10 Protoss. and maybe Sora is new but there are certainly some Protosses in Korea that are better . Take Parting, Rain, or Trap for example. However, Nani certainly earned his spot at Blizzcon so I'm not arguing that.
I said consistently. Not always
Consistently? Like in WCS EU Ro16, where he got what, stomped by Vortix and BBK?
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
He hasn't been consistently a top 10 Protoss. and maybe Sora is new but there are certainly some Protosses in Korea that are better . Take Parting, Rain, or Trap for example. However, Nani certainly earned his spot at Blizzcon so I'm not arguing that.
I said consistently. Not always
Consistently? Like in WCS EU Ro16, where he got what, stomped by Vortix and BBK?
So? For all we know from that information there were only 2 Protoss in the Ro16 (Naniwa and BBK) and WCS EU was the only and highest level tournament. Which would make Naniwa second best Protoss in the world.
So unless you make a real argument that puts everything into perspective and explain why he was not consistently amongst the top10 (again, consistently =/= always; it means that most of the time you are there and that if you picked a random moment in time to measure who was top10, then the chances of finding Naniwa amongst those 10players are very high), please don't bother to post again.
It thrills me that a foreigner is in. I was so happy when Bomber overcame his curse and won S2 - I was live on stage at Gamescom. Then - Bomber didn't show a single sign of joy, and all my thrill instantly was killed.
Edit: though I have to admit I'm cheering for HerO and Taeja.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
On November 06 2013 22:43 boxerfred wrote: It thrills me that a foreigner is in. I was so happy when Bomber overcame his curse and won S2 - I was live on stage at Gamescom. Then - Bomber didn't show a single sign of joy, and all my thrill instantly was killed.
Edit: though I have to admit I'm cheering for HerO and Taeja.
That isn't really true though :/ sure he didnt fly through the roof but he looked happy and shocked most of all to me
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
On November 06 2013 22:43 boxerfred wrote: It thrills me that a foreigner is in. I was so happy when Bomber overcame his curse and won S2 - I was live on stage at Gamescom. Then - Bomber didn't show a single sign of joy, and all my thrill instantly was killed.
Edit: though I have to admit I'm cheering for HerO and Taeja.
That isn't really true though :/ sure he didnt fly through the roof but he looked happy and shocked most of all to me
If you are korean,unless you do a triple backwards flip; put on a murloc suit and jump in the crowd you are emotionless if you have to belive this forum. I still facepalm thinking that people said Seed showed not emotion after his GSL win.
On November 06 2013 21:25 SweKenZo wrote: Naniwa played a kinda "cheesy" playstyle. or rather a 2-based centric style. Isnt Soulkey known for being un-cheesable?
Are you kidding or did you just not watch the games? Or just absurdly Zerg biased?
Naniwa went for a quick 3rd game 2 and 3 and just rolled Revival when he decided to throw away 30 roaches to kill it.
It's Revival who went for the "Cheesy" playstyle. Naniwa just reacted exactly as he should have.
Very impressive play from naniwa. Always been a fan of his but I must say i didn't expect him to roll revival like that. Naniwa gonna Roflstomp his way into blizzcon, what next?!
On November 06 2013 21:25 SweKenZo wrote: Naniwa played a kinda "cheesy" playstyle. or rather a 2-based centric style. Isnt Soulkey known for being un-cheesable?
Are you kidding or did you just not watch the games? Or just absurdly Zerg biased?
Naniwa went for a quick 3rd game 2 and 3 and just rolled Revival when he decided to throw away 30 roaches to kill it.
It's Revival who went for the "Cheesy" playstyle. Naniwa just reacted exactly as he should have.
TIL attacking with any sort of army on 3 bases with a worker lead on your opponent is "cheesy"
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
On November 06 2013 21:25 SweKenZo wrote: Naniwa played a kinda "cheesy" playstyle. or rather a 2-based centric style. Isnt Soulkey known for being un-cheesable?
Are you kidding or did you just not watch the games? Or just absurdly Zerg biased?
Naniwa went for a quick 3rd game 2 and 3 and just rolled Revival when he decided to throw away 30 roaches to kill it.
It's Revival who went for the "Cheesy" playstyle. Naniwa just reacted exactly as he should have.
TIL attacking with any sort of army on 3 bases with a worker lead on your opponent is "cheesy"
none of them played cheesy really. Maybe you can consider Naniwas all in game 1 cheesy but I don't know.. for me cheese is different from all ins.
Game 2 and 3 he simply did timings to punish the third... overcommited on drones game 2 and in the actual attack game 3. I see no cheese either way there.
The fact that people call Naniwas builds 2base is silly though. Would it be a onebase build from nani if he killed both the natural and the third and then forced the all in?
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
Probably a very brief period. But let's stop with the who deserves it more. Naniwa has earned the points and he has i no way done so with easy opposition. Look at the tourneys he's played and who he had to beat. I'd say beating hack twice, Hyun, Jaedong, Innovation, Duckdeok, San and many more that I cant list of the top of my head gives him the right to be there.
On November 06 2013 21:25 SweKenZo wrote: Naniwa played a kinda "cheesy" playstyle. or rather a 2-based centric style. Isnt Soulkey known for being un-cheesable?
Are you kidding or did you just not watch the games? Or just absurdly Zerg biased?
Naniwa went for a quick 3rd game 2 and 3 and just rolled Revival when he decided to throw away 30 roaches to kill it.
It's Revival who went for the "Cheesy" playstyle. Naniwa just reacted exactly as he should have.
TIL attacking with any sort of army on 3 bases with a worker lead on your opponent is "cheesy"
TIL Naniwa ever was on real 3 bases with a worker lead in a series. Granted, Naniwa is not cheesy. He is mindgame-ish, hence proxy gates and soul trains (as his best build, good joke, Naniwa).
On November 06 2013 21:25 SweKenZo wrote: Naniwa played a kinda "cheesy" playstyle. or rather a 2-based centric style. Isnt Soulkey known for being un-cheesable?
Are you kidding or did you just not watch the games? Or just absurdly Zerg biased?
Naniwa went for a quick 3rd game 2 and 3 and just rolled Revival when he decided to throw away 30 roaches to kill it.
It's Revival who went for the "Cheesy" playstyle. Naniwa just reacted exactly as he should have.
TIL attacking with any sort of army on 3 bases with a worker lead on your opponent is "cheesy"
none of them played cheesy really. Maybe you can consider Naniwas all in game 1 cheesy but I don't know.. for me cheese is different from all ins.
Game 2 and 3 he simply did timings to punish the third... overcommited on drones game 2 and in the actual attack game 3. I see no cheese either way there.
The fact that people call Naniwas builds 2base is silly though. Would it be a onebase build from nani if he killed both the natural and the third and then forced the all in?
I say that Naniwa never really planned on actually playing macro game. He would make void rays then. So yes, those were 2 base all-ins with faked third that forced overcommit from Revival (granted, he did not have good decision making at any point of series).
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
I have no clue about Sora. He has won something or so from what I heard. Nothing major. I have no clue why this guy is so hyped these days. Surely not from his results.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
I have no clue about Sora. He has won something or so from what I heard. Nothing major. I have no clue why this guy is so hyped these days. Surely not from his results.
14-0 win streak against Bomber, Fantasy, Soulkey, Curious, Gumiho, JKS and whoever else. There is a reason to hype him. And no, he played good solid macro style in pretty much all games i have happened to see from him in that streak. Results only matter so much when you face easier players or players that greatly underestimate you to the point of doing something stupid.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
Probably a very brief period. But let's stop with the who deserves it more. Naniwa has earned the points and he has i no way done so with easy opposition. Look at the tourneys he's played and who he had to beat. I'd say beating hack twice, Hyun, Jaedong, Innovation, Duckdeok, San and many more that I cant list of the top of my head gives him the right to be there.
Of course he deserves to be there more than the people that arent, no one could realistically say otherwiae with how the system works, but it's something else to say that he is better than everyone not attending because he is there. That's not necessarily the case.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
Probably a very brief period. But let's stop with the who deserves it more. Naniwa has earned the points and he has i no way done so with easy opposition. Look at the tourneys he's played and who he had to beat. I'd say beating hack twice, Hyun, Jaedong, Innovation, Duckdeok, San and many more that I cant list of the top of my head gives him the right to be there.
Of course he deserves to be there more than the people that arent, no one could realistically say otherwiae with how the system works, but it's something else to say that he is better than everyone not attending because he is there. That's not necessarily the case.
Pretty much this, he does deserve to be there, but he is most likely is not better than people not there (teehee, Rain, Trap, First, teehee)
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
I have no clue about Sora. He has won something or so from what I heard. Nothing major. I have no clue why this guy is so hyped these days. Surely not from his results.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
I have no clue about Sora. He has won something or so from what I heard. Nothing major. I have no clue why this guy is so hyped these days. Surely not from his results.
On November 07 2013 00:21 tadL wrote: watched VOD´s, looks to me like rivival got payed well to loose this games.
Uh huh. That makes a lot of sense. "Here, have the 500 bucks I should've given to Taeja, but I didn't." "But if I win, I get 5000 bucks and a chance to win more." "Just take the money bro" "Ok, Mr. Wa"
This makes infinite amounts of sense.
Or you could just accept that Revival played terribly and deserved to lose.
On November 06 2013 01:14 Jealous wrote: I would rather have an all-Korean tournament - skill level is simply higher.
Felt the need to quote this.
Yeah, replace Naniwa with Sora.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
Probably a very brief period. But let's stop with the who deserves it more. Naniwa has earned the points and he has i no way done so with easy opposition. Look at the tourneys he's played and who he had to beat. I'd say beating hack twice, Hyun, Jaedong, Innovation, Duckdeok, San and many more that I cant list of the top of my head gives him the right to be there.
Of course he deserves to be there more than the people that arent, no one could realistically say otherwiae with how the system works, but it's something else to say that he is better than everyone not attending because he is there. That's not necessarily the case.
Pretty much this, he does deserve to be there, but he is most likely is not better than people not there (teehee, Rain, Trap, First, teehee)
You could say they same about duckdeok, alive, MVP at his current form (or at his form we last got to see) and perhaps even SoS.
lol Naniwa: consistently top10 Protoss in the world since 2011 (and breaking into the top3 during his best times) Sora: got a decent place (?) in some tournament once
I'm sorry, what
Early 2011: second place in TSL3, wins MLG Dallas --> surely top10 Protoss worldwide Late 2011: Code A, can't qualify for Code S; 2nd place at MLG Providence, 4th place at Blizzcon; since there are only 5 Protoss players in Code S at the end of 2011, argueable that he is top10 Early 2012: 3 Code S seasons in a row; in two of those he reaches the Ro8 (no other Protoss reaches top8 in both of those seasons) --> probably top3 end of 2012/very early 2013: Not top10 mid-late 2013: DH (2nd), IEM (2nd), MLG (3rd-4th), WCS Europe (5th-6th), top16 in WCS points (6th Protoss on that list) --> definitely top10 Protoss currently
I know Nani's career as well as anyone, I'm questioning your assessment of Sora
And don't get me wrong, as a Nanifan I love the fact that he'll play at Blizzcon so I'm not saying Id rather want someone else in his stead, but I still have to question whether he has ever been in the top 3 for more than a brief period.
Probably a very brief period. But let's stop with the who deserves it more. Naniwa has earned the points and he has i no way done so with easy opposition. Look at the tourneys he's played and who he had to beat. I'd say beating hack twice, Hyun, Jaedong, Innovation, Duckdeok, San and many more that I cant list of the top of my head gives him the right to be there.
Of course he deserves to be there more than the people that arent, no one could realistically say otherwiae with how the system works, but it's something else to say that he is better than everyone not attending because he is there. That's not necessarily the case.
Pretty much this, he does deserve to be there, but he is most likely is not better than people not there (teehee, Rain, Trap, First, teehee)
You could say they same about duckdeok, alive, MVP at his current form (or at his form we last got to see) and perhaps even SoS.
sOs still Code S Ro16 level though and perhaps even higher. But yeah, rest can be argued for not being the top 16 in skill level.
I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
Sweet? Thanks for letting is know and being so specific...
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
Sweet? Thanks for letting is know and being so specific...
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
guys, i love naniwa and now that he's made the wcs finals, i'm not going to watch no more!
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
guys, i love naniwa and now that he's made the wcs finals, i'm not going to watch no more!
I don't need to watch the games to cheer for Naniwa. And if they look anything like that, I'd really prefer not to. It will be more fun to see score at the end and imagine awesome games than to watch more games like those.
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
guys, i love naniwa and now that he's made the wcs finals, i'm not going to watch no more!
I don't need to watch the games to cheer for Naniwa. And if they look anything like that, I'd really prefer not to. It will be more fun to see score at the end and imagine awesome games than to watch more games like those.
This is one of the most passive agressive, emo posts about SC2 I've seen. It is trying so hard to be so upset.
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
guys, i love naniwa and now that he's made the wcs finals, i'm not going to watch no more!
I don't need to watch the games to cheer for Naniwa. And if they look anything like that, I'd really prefer not to. It will be more fun to see score at the end and imagine awesome games than to watch more games like those.
Watch Dear vs Maru from the Season Finals and Sora vs Hyun from the Red Bull qualifiers
If you dont like those, you might as well quit sc altogether
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
guys, i love naniwa and now that he's made the wcs finals, i'm not going to watch no more!
I don't need to watch the games to cheer for Naniwa. And if they look anything like that, I'd really prefer not to. It will be more fun to see score at the end and imagine awesome games than to watch more games like those.
Well, Naniwa's games are mostly like that. I suggest you watch other games (Dear vs Maru and Sora vs HyuN were freaking good).
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
guys, i love naniwa and now that he's made the wcs finals, i'm not going to watch no more!
I don't need to watch the games to cheer for Naniwa. And if they look anything like that, I'd really prefer not to. It will be more fun to see score at the end and imagine awesome games than to watch more games like those.
This is one of the most passive agressive, emo posts about SC2 I've seen. It is trying so hard to be so upset.
Haha that was exactly my thought! It's like an upset roommate
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
I've been watching Sc2 fairly consistently for the last couple of months, and I have to say, Naniwa vs Revival was one of the worst series I've seen. As in, it was a complete surprise how easily Revival rolled over and died. If you're going to say "that series represents everything wrong with HotS", you should at least pick a decent series to analyze first.
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
Not at all, Revival didn't play well, Naniwa knew how to transition out of each situation properly. I don't see how or why you could judge something so large from 1 series.
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
guys, i love naniwa and now that he's made the wcs finals, i'm not going to watch no more!
I don't need to watch the games to cheer for Naniwa. And if they look anything like that, I'd really prefer not to. It will be more fun to see score at the end and imagine awesome games than to watch more games like those.
Watch Dear vs Maru from the Season Finals and Sora vs Hyun from the Red Bull qualifiers
If you dont like those, you might as well quit sc altogether
^This! Btw where can i find the Sora.v.Hyun games?
it's hard not to cheer for naniwa, with stephano gone it's hard to think of a foreigner who appears at most of the events and nearly always makes a dent in the robotic korean army
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
guys, i love naniwa and now that he's made the wcs finals, i'm not going to watch no more!
I don't need to watch the games to cheer for Naniwa. And if they look anything like that, I'd really prefer not to. It will be more fun to see score at the end and imagine awesome games than to watch more games like those.
Watch Dear vs Maru from the Season Finals and Sora vs Hyun from the Red Bull qualifiers
If you dont like those, you might as well quit sc altogether
Games are more exciting when you don't know the results and care about the players. I basically have quit HoTS, but I have hope for LoTV.
On November 07 2013 01:11 BronzeKnee wrote: I got up early so I could watch the VODs before work, and figured after the first game was over that since the VODs lasted an hour that Naniwa would clean sweep it, which is just fine with me because I'm a huge Naniwa fan.
However, that series represents just about everything wrong with HoTS in my opinion. I wouldn't exactly say much strategy was used by either player. It was the first time I've watched SC2 in awhile, and it wasn't really that fun for me to watch so I have no intention of watching anymore SC2 in the near future.
guys, i love naniwa and now that he's made the wcs finals, i'm not going to watch no more!
I don't need to watch the games to cheer for Naniwa. And if they look anything like that, I'd really prefer not to. It will be more fun to see score at the end and imagine awesome games than to watch more games like those.
This is one of the most passive agressive, emo posts about SC2 I've seen. It is trying so hard to be so upset.
On November 07 2013 08:59 Venomsflame wrote:
Haha that was exactly my thought! It's like an upset roommate
You're damn right I'm upset! I wasted 45 minutes watching those trash games. But I'm still happy Naniwa won. And if that is passive aggressive, so be it.
I didn't say that. But yes, I do want every game to be amazing and entertaining, but do you want anything different? Do you want boring and pathetic games that waste your time? Think before you type.
Now, do I expect every game to be amazing and entertaining? No, but that doesn't mean I can't get upset when games aren't good, or get excited when games are good.
I was upset that those games were so bad, and I have that right because I value my time. If you want to be upset that I am upset, you have that right too.
You guys are reading way too much into what I said.
On November 08 2013 05:15 BronzeKnee wrote: I didn't say that. But yes, I do want every game to be amazing and entertaining, but do want anything different? Do you want boring and pathetic games that waste your time? Think before you type.
Now, do I expect every game to be amazing and entertaining? No, but that doesn't mean I can't get upset when games aren't good, or get excited when games are good.
I was upset that those games were so bad, and I have that right because I value my time. If you want to be upset that I am upset, you have that right too.
You guys are reading way too much into what I said.
You was watching Naniwa's games. Expecting them to be amazing is not the best thing one can do, since his playstyle in general produces one-sided games or games where opponent chokes away lead.
On November 08 2013 05:15 BronzeKnee wrote: I didn't say that. But yes, I do want every game to be amazing and entertaining, but do want anything different? Do you want boring and pathetic games that waste your time? Think before you type.
Now, do I expect every game to be amazing and entertaining? No, but that doesn't mean I can't get upset when games aren't good, or get excited when games are good.
I was upset that those games were so bad, and I have that right because I value my time. If you want to be upset that I am upset, you have that right too.
You guys are reading way too much into what I said.
You was watching Naniwa's games. Expecting them to be amazing is not the best thing one can do, since his playstyle in general produces one-sided games or games where opponent chokes away lead.
I don't know how many Naniwa games you have seen but I have seen a lot of games where he have shown stunning micro, innovative strategies and great holds. The games against Revival was boring not because of Naniwa, but because of Revival who just played them out really bad.
On November 08 2013 05:15 BronzeKnee wrote: I didn't say that. But yes, I do want every game to be amazing and entertaining, but do want anything different? Do you want boring and pathetic games that waste your time? Think before you type.
Now, do I expect every game to be amazing and entertaining? No, but that doesn't mean I can't get upset when games aren't good, or get excited when games are good.
I was upset that those games were so bad, and I have that right because I value my time. If you want to be upset that I am upset, you have that right too.
You guys are reading way too much into what I said.
You was watching Naniwa's games. Expecting them to be amazing is not the best thing one can do, since his playstyle in general produces one-sided games or games where opponent chokes away lead.
Or Naniwa took advantage of a timing that his opponent wasn't prepared for and through mircro and positioning, beat his opponent despite Naniwa being at a disadvantage.
Naniwa showed his "Korean bite", hehe was a bit odd series tbh... Revival seemed soo uninspired/meek.. Nani didn't have to reveal any special tacs, which was perfect for his Blizzcon-match vs Soulkey (also zerg). Almost like they had agreed to limit the tacs even or just Revival heavily underestimating, but that shouldn't be poss rly, but maybe in seeing himself as superior, really believing he can out-micro him whatever... or just not up to par with the current meta at all or maybe too few top-games lately.
anyways, perfect set-up for Nani !! I'm happy!! And I think he will reach the finals IF he advances vs Soulkey, he has a good chance tbh. Even though it's one of the toughest players in the full bracket.
A true Dragon vs Swedish Steel ! Soulkey is extremely well-rounded and overall strong/able/experienced but Nani can be so sharp and untouchable/cool. Think his "burst" will overcome Soulkeys "consistent high damage".. Nani has been outstanding lately, in all aspects! Judging by last months I give him 40-50% chance - if he's performing well, ie considering Blizzcon podium/the stakes etc (aka having the right mental state of mind ie not putting bad pressure on urself etc. Be focused but relaxed as well, and if poss getting into "the zone" to swipe SK). He is, after all, named the Dragonslayer (slayer of best koreans).
MC and Nani are both two players that has been on the rise for some time now, accumulating... continuously improving last months, getting much more stable and sharp etc and with few losses over that period, building up confidence, winning a lot of hard matches, in good shape for Blizzcon. That pattern makes it possible to believe that they might even peak their best ever! (and be able of challenge Dear, so lonely up there in the sky?).
How will Bomber perform, in what shape? MMA looks on the rise but still a bit weak, need more time? Hero vs sOs : think sOs the stronger, interesting to see if sOs will perform like a contender for the championship? Polt vs Alive : Alive is among the weakest players in the tournament atm, Polt should be able to advance. But he have not had the right time/build-up period for being able staying on top over a longer time, due to his studies. And he's been "slowing down" some lately. Still in the middle of this field though and a tough opponent. Also guessing his micro will have improved some over the last 2 weeks of training, he might reach the semis if so.
Strongest Players atm : Dear is ahead ofc
- upper - SoulKey > sOs > Polt or Naniwa/sOs > Polt
Innovation vs Dear > MC - lower -
Innovation is the true, dangerous dark horse former no1, now in long hiding&preparing for peaking at Blizzcon and reclaim everything!! Even though the Terrans has lost it's edge some? Will we see new Terran meta? Almost needed tbh...
the race war and meta with these players OMG! All match-ups could be grand finals anywhere. hope the games will exceed everything imagined hehe, that it is well produced! and that the virtual ticket really is worthwhile!
EPT
Revival tied with 
NaNiwa for 16th place in the 2013 World Championship Series Global Standings. While only 16 players can compete in the 2013 StarCraft II WCS Global Finals at BlizzCon, 17 have qualified due to this tie in WCS points. As we previously stated, a tiebreaker match will be played between Revival and NaNiwa prior to BlizzCon to determine who will compete in the Global Finals.
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