you should add these because you made a seperate post and maybe title change to "Observers,Hosts,and anaylsts revealed for WCS Global Finals" or something like that Chobra is interviewing/translating Incontrol/tod are doing analyst desk with djwheat reporting at the analyst desk redeye is hosting
On November 01 2013 04:32 NovemberstOrm wrote: you should add these because you made a seperate post and maybe title change to "Observers,Hosts,and anaylsts revealed for WCS Global Finals" or something like that Chobra is interviewing/translating Incontrol/tod are doing analyst desk with djwheat reporting at the analyst desk redeye is hosting
On November 01 2013 04:32 NovemberstOrm wrote: you should add these because you made a seperate post and maybe title change to "Observers,Hosts,and anaylsts revealed for WCS Global Finals" or something like that Chobra is interviewing/translating Incontrol/tod are doing analyst desk with djwheat reporting at the analyst desk redeye is hosting
On November 01 2013 13:08 goody153 wrote: never heard 3 casters at the same time .. what about artosis ? day 9 ? kaelaris ? apollo ?
They are talking about three observers (obviously not on the same game). The casters were announced a few weeks ago in a separate post. It's Tastosis, Apollo, Day9 and BitterdaM.
Very happy about ToD's inclusion. And man, Blizzard must hate Kaelaris, even DJW (who has had nothing to do with anything WCS the whole year) is picked over him. I guess they're trying to get as many American SC2 personalities to the event as possible?
Edit: Also thrilled they got Chobra, he blows all the other translators out of the water.
On November 02 2013 19:26 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Who ever observed for wcs eu is bad. He lost all season long drops, fights(!!!), was many times at the wrong place. Overall he was lagging behind.
Blizzard really pulling out all the stops with BlizzCon. Redeye, Chobra, Funka and Adebisi? Hell yes! It'll be nice to see more of iNcontroL, I was impressed with him during the EU finals. I'd have rather seen Grubby over ToD for analysis to be honest but ToD has more experience in that field so that probably factored into it.
djwheat as analyst? One of the korean observers would have been nice to have at the event but maybe its hard with language barriers. Great to see Tod making an appearance.
On November 02 2013 22:09 Zealously wrote: EL CHOBACABRA
This is a pretty sick line-up although I question DjWheat and the lack of Legend
Yeah I love djWheat and I still see him stream SC2 but Kaleris is a hard working WCS man. Maybe it's just a lot cheaper to bring in djWheat since it's not a Europe flight.
As for Legend, he seems pretty committed to always just stay in Korea, I wonder if behind the scenes he's ever been approached to observe a tournament and simply refuses.
On November 02 2013 22:16 Nerevar wrote: While I do assume that the observers will be trading off with each other, does this mean we can possibly get some fancy picture-in-picture action?
Don't forget 2 streams 3 observers for rotations I guess, It's pairs of 3 for everything it seems. They might just pair an analasist, 2 caster and 1 observer and rotate them as a unit to keep things more simple.
On November 01 2013 14:05 StarStruck wrote: Tod makes sense as an analyst, but the other two. *Raises eyebrow*
Incontrol is actually a pretty good person for the analysts desk. Wheat is a little strange to me. I like the guy, but he doesn't seem like a fit for the analyst desk. If anything, he seems like more of a host or play by play caster.
That analyst desk looks very promising! And Chobra is of course without a doubt the very best of the best.
I think Wheat will be quite appropiate to have at the analyst desk. I suppose he will have more of the host role on the desk and lead the conversation, which I can see functioning very well.
On November 02 2013 22:15 Fjodorov wrote: djwheat as analyst? One of the korean observers would have been nice to have at the event but maybe its hard with language barriers. Great to see Tod making an appearance.
Presumably, Wheat will be anchoring the analysis desk while iNcontroL and ToD provide the actual analysis. I'd really have liked to see Idra and/or qxc here too.
On November 01 2013 14:05 StarStruck wrote: Tod makes sense as an analyst, but the other two. *Raises eyebrow*
Incontrol is actually a pretty good person for the analysts desk. Wheat is a little strange to me. I like the guy, but he doesn't seem like a fit for the analyst desk. If anything, he seems like more of a host or play by play caster.
To be honest The caster pairs aren't they, Tastosis, Bitterdam, Apollo+Day[9] so he'll be paired up with the 2 Seans to add meat to his comments and he synergises well with Day[9], so it's all good.
On November 01 2013 14:05 StarStruck wrote: Tod makes sense as an analyst, but the other two. *Raises eyebrow*
Incontrol is actually a pretty good person for the analysts desk. Wheat is a little strange to me. I like the guy, but he doesn't seem like a fit for the analyst desk. If anything, he seems like more of a host or play by play caster.
To be honest The caster pairs aren't they, Tastosis, Bitterdam, Apollo+Day[9] so he'll be paired up with the 2 Seans to add meat to his comments and he synergises well with Day[9], so it's all good.
Apollo and Day are one pair, Bitterdam is another and the casting Archon is the last. ToD, Geoff and Wheat are a separate thing, doing analysis between games and talking us through them to give the casters a break. It's definitely something Wheat is better suited to than Kaelaris right now.
DjWheat as analyst? Hmm he's more a commentator/play by play kinda guy. Never heard a good analysis from him that wasn't already called by his fellow commentator :/ I can dig his casting, just not so much an analyst.
Analyst desk and Chobra translator, god tier awesomeness. Not familiar with the observers other than Adebisi, but... Adebisi, so end of story. With the previously announced casters, this is the best-staffed event in the history of Starcraft 2. Just wish we could still get the old-school Day9/Husky combination, just because those two were so entertaining together.
Best part is that none of the ear-gratingly terrible casters will be there. :D
Ok lineup, although i dont get that djwheat at analyst desk thinghy, he is not and was not a top player at least so what insights could he offer? Guess he can say "and now we go to incontrol for some game analysis".
Disappointing analysis desk. Djwheat isn't an expert, lightly put. ToD & Incontrol are usually very good, but severely lack Terran knowledge while this tournament is actually gonna have quite a number of Terrans for a change.
Redeye and Chobra are the best at their roles, so gj there.
No idea who infeza or funka are so no comment on that.
I dont understand the djwheat choice as an analyst. Hes not dedicated enough and his understanding of the game is awful. Poor kaelaris really. Idra, Tod and qxc would be the best analyze desk by far.
chobra was seriously insanely good! Best translator in SC2 history in my opinion. His short term memory and ability to recall information at a whim was second to none. I am excited for this. Also, good to see DJWheat at a major tournament again.
On November 01 2013 13:08 goody153 wrote: never heard 3 casters at the same time .. what about artosis ? day 9 ? kaelaris ? apollo ?
They are talking about three observers (obviously not on the same game). The casters were announced a few weeks ago in a separate post. It's Tastosis, Apollo, Day9 and BitterdaM.
Very happy about ToD's inclusion. And man, Blizzard must hate Kaelaris, even DJW (who has had nothing to do with anything WCS the whole year) is picked over him. I guess they're trying to get as many American SC2 personalities to the event as possible?
Edit: Also thrilled they got Chobra, he blows all the other translators out of the water.
About Kaelaris, I think Blizzard is not the only like that, if you know what I mean.
Kinda agree with the most here... i am afraid djWheat has nothing to tell about Sc2 - let alone analyzing it. Bitterdam and Tasteless are also not really good either. The rest of the crew is awesome :D
On November 02 2013 23:50 mechengineer123 wrote: Disappointing analysis desk. Djwheat isn't an expert, lightly put. ToD & Incontrol are usually very good, but severely lack Terran knowledge while this tournament is actually gonna have quite a number of Terrans for a change.
Redeye and Chobra are the best at their roles, so gj there.
No idea who infeza or funka are so no comment on that.
I agree Here. Tod is great at all the protodd match ups. In control? Hmmm... I haven't seen him analyze in a while so I can't speak to it, but it would be great to have a player that can analyze terran and TvT/TvZ match up well. Who though? I can't think of anyone off the top of my head.
On November 03 2013 00:06 Phaenoman wrote: Kinda agree with the most here... i am afraid djWheat has nothing to tell about Sc2 - let alone analyzing it. Bitterdam and Tasteless are also not really good either. The rest of the crew is awesome :D
I have to say, I strongly disagree with you about Bitterdam and Tastosis. They are two of my favorite duos to cast. I enjoy both immensely.
On November 02 2013 23:50 mechengineer123 wrote: Disappointing analysis desk. Djwheat isn't an expert, lightly put. ToD & Incontrol are usually very good, but severely lack Terran knowledge while this tournament is actually gonna have quite a number of Terrans for a change.
Redeye and Chobra are the best at their roles, so gj there.
No idea who infeza or funka are so no comment on that.
I agree Here. Tod is great at all the protodd match ups. In control? Hmmm... I haven't seen him analyze in a while so I can't speak to it, but it would be great to have a player that can analyze terran and TvT/TvZ match up well. Who though? I can't think of anyone off the top of my head.
With a goal of having a pro of each race at the analysts' desk, it would be great to have ToD for Protoss, Goswser for Zerg and... maybe qxc for Terran? Terrans are so rare in Europe/AM that I can't think of another English-speaking Terran player that acts as an analyst sometimes. I think Nathanias and Gretorp also play Terran? Though they are casters, not pro players.
On November 03 2013 00:05 SoFrOsTy wrote: chobra was seriously insanely good! Best translator in SC2 history in my opinion. His short term memory and ability to recall information at a whim was second to none. I am excited for this. Also, good to see DJWheat at a major tournament again.
DJWheat made a few appearances at the WCS Global Finals.
On November 03 2013 00:05 DifuntO wrote: djweat is not gonna be an analyst guys,he is gonna be the "host" of the analysis desk and i think he's a one of the best in doing that.
Yeah, I figured that was gonna be his role, but it doesn't fit with this lineup imo. Usually you need a host-type for the desk when you have very analytic guys that aren't experienced enough in the presentation department and are just there to analyze. However, both ToD and especially Incontrol are very experienced public speakers and hosts themselves, so Djwheat's skill set isn't needed.
Like someone else had mentioned I'd much rather have a more Terran-focused third guy, although it is hard to find foreign Terrans.
I'm amazed at how many people single out the ONE fucking thing they don't like about this lineup and focus solely on that. Spoiled brats the lot of you...
On November 03 2013 00:36 Ballack wrote: I'm amazed at how many people single out the ONE fucking thing they don't like about this lineup and focus solely on that. Spoiled brats the lot of you...
Actually your post is the most whiny in this thread so far, it has been mostly a healthy discussion about the analyst desk as there is not much to say about the others since Chobra/Redeye are the best and the spectator roles are less important.
On November 01 2013 14:05 StarStruck wrote: Tod makes sense as an analyst, but the other two. *Raises eyebrow*
Someone has to be the "host" of the analyst panel. There isn't better guy for that than DJWheat or Incontrol.
I'd also be very surprised if someone from the caster line-up isn't in the panel at times, so i'm okay with the trio right now.
Not to mention, with Chobra in the mix, it's entirely possible that some players will join the analysis as the tournament goes on.
At least, I really really hope so. And with some English as well, although I want Polt to win.
Exactly, good point. So i don't see why people are surprised or whiny because of the analyst picks. They have almost every outspoken, experienced and good in front of a camera -person in the show.
On November 02 2013 23:50 mechengineer123 wrote: Disappointing analysis desk. Djwheat isn't an expert, lightly put. ToD & Incontrol are usually very good, but severely lack Terran knowledge while this tournament is actually gonna have quite a number of Terrans for a change.
Redeye and Chobra are the best at their roles, so gj there.
No idea who infeza or funka are so no comment on that.
I agree Here. Tod is great at all the protodd match ups. In control? Hmmm... I haven't seen him analyze in a while so I can't speak to it, but it would be great to have a player that can analyze terran and TvT/TvZ match up well. Who though? I can't think of anyone off the top of my head.
Lets hope Polt gets eliminated in the r16 and can join the analyst desk
On November 02 2013 23:06 Loxley wrote: DjWheat as analyst?
I wondered the same thing. A good analyst imo has a depth of game knowledge that goes beyond djwheat. Maybe he is supposed to be comic relief but I would rather they conscripted someone like QXC, since he talks well, knows his stuff and isn't annoying to listen to :D
Excited to be observing Blizzcon! If you're unfamiliar with my most recent work, i was observing IEM New York. You can watch some of it here: (Time stamped for your convenience)
I imagine that DjWheat will fill a similar function to the one filled by 2GD at The International - leading the discussion and making sure everyone gets their say. The guy isn't stupid, I imagine he'll be able to bring a few ideas and pieces of analysis of his own to the table, but mostly I feel like he should do what he's best at and that's probably playing the host role more than anything.
On November 03 2013 02:05 Daxy wrote: Couldn't be more disappointed! What about tasteless, artosis, day9, kaelaris, apollo? The top casters in international scene!
They are all (except for Kaelaris) announced as casters in a different announcement. This is just for hosting and analysis, not actual live ingame commentary.
On November 03 2013 02:05 Daxy wrote: Couldn't be more disappointed! What about tasteless, artosis, day9, kaelaris, apollo? The top casters in international scene!
Casters were already announced. Also what does the term "top caster" mean? Casters that are popular or that understand the game?
On November 03 2013 02:08 Beakyboo wrote: Analyst desk stuff is normally pretty awkward/forced. I can see it actually being a lot smoother and better presented with wheat and incontrol, tbqh.
I can agree about djWHEAT, but not in regards to iNcontroL.
djwheat is obviously not there to actually do pro-analysis, he'll be asking questions I'm sure and adding some color to that desk and for that he's well suited.
This analyst panel doesn't make much sense... is Grubby casting? He could've been a great addition. I wonder what DjWheat will be able to contribute as an analyst, hell, even Totalbiscuit is closer to the SC scene nowadays.
I don't think I'll ever get to hear a Tod/Kaelaris dual-cast again Also clearly I've been away longer than I thought because I have no idea who this "Legend" guy is that people keep talking about. Couldn't find anything on Liquipedia, anyone help me out?
Legend is the GSL Observer and as such propably the best observer there is (besides adebisi ofc)
and while i do recognize hes done a lot this year, meaning kaelaris, i dont really like his commentary as hes always just repeating what the other guy (mainly apollo) just said or adds strange unrealistic ideas about how it could play out.
Okay, good observer, got it. Not exactly as surprising as when I found out Frodan is now a money launder, Terry the intern is a racist.
On November 03 2013 04:51 Sanobot wrote:
and while i do recognize hes done a lot this year, meaning kaelaris, i dont really like his commentary as hes always just repeating what the other guy (mainly apollo) just said or adds strange unrealistic ideas about how it could play out.
On November 03 2013 04:19 Survivor61316 wrote: So at a tournament where half the bracket is made up of terrans they chose to hire three casters who play zerg, toss, and toss?? Good move Blizzard...
On November 03 2013 04:56 Greendotz wrote: Okay, good observer, got it. Not exactly as surprising as when I found out Frodan is now a money launder, Terry the intern is a racist.
and while i do recognize hes done a lot this year, meaning kaelaris, i dont really like his commentary as hes always just repeating what the other guy (mainly apollo) just said or adds strange unrealistic ideas about how it could play out.
Still better than Tasteless.
I'd say thats a matter of taste... but both do not have analytical knowledge. That's what they have in common.
On November 03 2013 04:19 Survivor61316 wrote: So at a tournament where half the bracket is made up of terrans they chose to hire three casters who play zerg, toss, and toss?? Good move Blizzard...
Is this real life?
This. Is. BLIZZAAAAARD!
Actually Blizzard used to do much better for these events. I am surprised. The guy responsible for this is probably also the guy responsible for picking the WCS Top 5 plays.
i remember how excited i was for the finals last year. parting and creator playing a series were the winner takes 100k away was just blowing my head off, and this year we have about 1000 times more hype revolving around it.
it's going to cost me a fortune to watch it off my shitty pre-paid internet stick but it'll be worth it.
On November 03 2013 04:45 Greendotz wrote: I don't think I'll ever get to hear a Tod/Kaelaris dual-cast again Also clearly I've been away longer than I thought because I have no idea who this "Legend" guy is that people keep talking about. Couldn't find anything on Liquipedia, anyone help me out?
Startale Legend is the GSL observer for the english stream. The man catches everything going on and moves the cursor around important stuff if the casters has not seen it.
On November 03 2013 04:45 Greendotz wrote: I don't think I'll ever get to hear a Tod/Kaelaris dual-cast again Also clearly I've been away longer than I thought because I have no idea who this "Legend" guy is that people keep talking about. Couldn't find anything on Liquipedia, anyone help me out?
Probably the best obs in the business. He does the GSL.
I think with all those casters/hosts/analysts we will miss probably Kaelaris, Grubby, Take and Khaldor, with addition of this four guys WCS crew would be perfect.
Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host. Also why do you need three observers? Aren't two enough, there only can be one person hosting at a time.
Feels like they just invited almost anyone who ever did something in SC2, but then why again not Kaelaris who casted 1000s of WCS games the past year?
Other than that, I'm really happy with the people they choose. I'm sure the casters and Redeye are going to do an AMAZING job. Really just hope that the blizzcon crowd has enough SC2 fans. A bit worried about this, because multi-game events often tend to have less of a good crowd than SC2-only events (best example S3 finals with the AMAZING canadian crowd ).
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host. Also why do you need three observers? Aren't two enough, there only can be one person hosting at a time.
Feels like they just invited almost anyone who ever did something in SC2, but then why again not Kaelaris who casted 1000s of WCS games the past year?
Other than that, I'm really happy with the people they choose. I'm sure the casters and Redeye are going to do an AMAZING job. Really just hope that the blizzcon crowd has enough SC2 fans. A bit worried about this, because multi-game events often tend to have less of a good crowd than SC2-only events (best example S3 finals with the AMAZING canadian crowd ).
just because someone plays another game then SC2 that's no reason to criticize them.
On November 03 2013 00:36 Ballack wrote: I'm amazed at how many people single out the ONE fucking thing they don't like about this lineup and focus solely on that. Spoiled brats the lot of you...
Actually your post is the most whiny in this thread so far, it has been mostly a healthy discussion about the analyst desk as there is not much to say about the others since Chobra/Redeye are the best and the spectator roles are less important.
I actually care more about the game observer than anything else, and I wish they were able to get the GOMtv guys.
On November 01 2013 13:08 goody153 wrote: never heard 3 casters at the same time .. what about artosis ? day 9 ? kaelaris ? apollo ?
The three of them will be at the analyst desk to analyze the games after they end. Artosis and Apollo along with several other casters are going and I assume they will be casting in pairs. I for one hope to see a little brother on brother casting action with Day[9] and Tasteless
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host.
Seriously? Wheat was involved in Esports long before the release of SC2, you speak with such self entitlement, he doesn't owe the SC2 community anything, and he especially doesn't owe you (essentially a nobody) anything. Where in your thought process did you deduce that it would be a good idea to single out someone who has contributed so much for the scene in the past and decide to irrationally hate on him for going inactive? Do you also hate Marineking, Stephano, Bisu? What utter tripe.
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host.
Seriously? Wheat was involved in Esports long before the release of SC2, you speak with such self entitlement, he doesn't owe the SC2 community anything, and he especially doesn't owe you (essentially a nobody) anything. Where in your thought process did you deduce that it would be a good idea to single out someone who has contributed so much for the scene in the past and decide to irrationally hate on him for going inactive? Do you also hate Marineking, Stephano, Bisu? What utter tripe.
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host.
Seriously? Wheat was involved in Esports long before the release of SC2, you speak with such self entitlement, he doesn't owe the SC2 community anything, and he especially doesn't owe you (essentially a nobody) anything. Where in your thought process did you deduce that it would be a good idea to single out someone who has contributed so much for the scene in the past and decide to irrationally hate on him for going inactive? Do you also hate Marineking, Stephano, Bisu? What utter tripe.
what happened to dj wheat? what is he doing now? did he switch to lol or something?
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host.
Seriously? Wheat was involved in Esports long before the release of SC2, you speak with such self entitlement, he doesn't owe the SC2 community anything, and he especially doesn't owe you (essentially a nobody) anything. Where in your thought process did you deduce that it would be a good idea to single out someone who has contributed so much for the scene in the past and decide to irrationally hate on him for going inactive? Do you also hate Marineking, Stephano, Bisu? What utter tripe.
what happened to dj wheat? what is he doing now? did he switch to lol or something?
Nothing happened. He still plays regularly, and plays other games(like beyond2souls etc), I don't think he plays LoL.
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host.
Seriously? Wheat was involved in Esports long before the release of SC2, you speak with such self entitlement, he doesn't owe the SC2 community anything, and he especially doesn't owe you (essentially a nobody) anything. Where in your thought process did you deduce that it would be a good idea to single out someone who has contributed so much for the scene in the past and decide to irrationally hate on him for going inactive? Do you also hate Marineking, Stephano, Bisu? What utter tripe.
what happened to dj wheat? what is he doing now? did he switch to lol or something?
Streams frequently, does ITG, does Lo3, is generally a massive boss.
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host. Also why do you need three observers? Aren't two enough, there only can be one person hosting at a time.
Feels like they just invited almost anyone who ever did something in SC2, but then why again not Kaelaris who casted 1000s of WCS games the past year?
Other than that, I'm really happy with the people they choose. I'm sure the casters and Redeye are going to do an AMAZING job. Really just hope that the blizzcon crowd has enough SC2 fans. A bit worried about this, because multi-game events often tend to have less of a good crowd than SC2-only events (best example S3 finals with the AMAZING canadian crowd ).
Runs one of the two weekly shows features SC2. Plays SC2 a lot, but also plays other games. I guess that is your standard for "leaving the scene". By that standard, a lot of the community has "left the scene" because, fuck it, we like games. And if your wondering why they didn't get Kaelaris, maybe he was busy or that huge fucking body of water and all the time zones didn't make it that appeal for him.
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host. Also why do you need three observers? Aren't two enough, there only can be one person hosting at a time.
Feels like they just invited almost anyone who ever did something in SC2, but then why again not Kaelaris who casted 1000s of WCS games the past year?
Other than that, I'm really happy with the people they choose. I'm sure the casters and Redeye are going to do an AMAZING job. Really just hope that the blizzcon crowd has enough SC2 fans. A bit worried about this, because multi-game events often tend to have less of a good crowd than SC2-only events (best example S3 finals with the AMAZING canadian crowd ).
Runs one of the two weekly shows features SC2. Plays SC2 a lot, but also plays other games. I guess that is your standard for "leaving the scene". By that standard, a lot of the community has "left the scene" because, fuck it, we like games. And if your wondering why they didn't get Kaelaris, maybe he was busy or that huge fucking body of water and all the time zones didn't make it that appeal for him.
Beside, I think his role on the analysis desk is not going to be the "analysis" part, but more of the coordinator or host for the other two analysts. Having one who can speak well, know how to organize and coordinate ideas between people can make the presentation more clear and coherent.
My only concern is that both analysts play the same race. It would have been nice to have at least two races represented, or a full trio of experts. But then again, who would they be? Perhaps Tod, Ret and Demuslim?
Very pleasantly surprised that Chobra's going to be there. Also really like having Redeye as host.
Not really a fan of the analysis desk. All 3 are great casters, but I like them less as analysts and having 2 Protoss is an obvious flaw. Ah well, it'll still be pretty good and overall the lineup for this Blizzcon is very impressive.
On November 03 2013 04:15 Romitelli wrote: This analyst panel doesn't make much sense... is Grubby casting? He could've been a great addition. I wonder what DjWheat will be able to contribute as an analyst, hell, even Totalbiscuit is closer to the SC scene nowadays.
It's good to know that the status of team owner is acceptable as being "closer to the SC scene" in the eyes of the community
I want to see a panel somewhere with you, Sundance, Ohlen, Garfield and some representatives from the Korean scene talking about the processes and interactions between teams and leagues, and what it takes to get a player onto the main stage at a big event.
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host. Also why do you need three observers? Aren't two enough, there only can be one person hosting at a time.
Feels like they just invited almost anyone who ever did something in SC2, but then why again not Kaelaris who casted 1000s of WCS games the past year?
Other than that, I'm really happy with the people they choose. I'm sure the casters and Redeye are going to do an AMAZING job. Really just hope that the blizzcon crowd has enough SC2 fans. A bit worried about this, because multi-game events often tend to have less of a good crowd than SC2-only events (best example S3 finals with the AMAZING canadian crowd ).
Runs one of the two weekly shows features SC2. Plays SC2 a lot, but also plays other games. I guess that is your standard for "leaving the scene". By that standard, a lot of the community has "left the scene" because, fuck it, we like games. And if your wondering why they didn't get Kaelaris, maybe he was busy or that huge fucking body of water and all the time zones didn't make it that appeal for him.
Did they actually announce the casters yet? Because to me Kaelaris is a straight up caster, not analyst, host etc.
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host. Also why do you need three observers? Aren't two enough, there only can be one person hosting at a time.
Feels like they just invited almost anyone who ever did something in SC2, but then why again not Kaelaris who casted 1000s of WCS games the past year?
Other than that, I'm really happy with the people they choose. I'm sure the casters and Redeye are going to do an AMAZING job. Really just hope that the blizzcon crowd has enough SC2 fans. A bit worried about this, because multi-game events often tend to have less of a good crowd than SC2-only events (best example S3 finals with the AMAZING canadian crowd ).
Runs one of the two weekly shows features SC2. Plays SC2 a lot, but also plays other games. I guess that is your standard for "leaving the scene". By that standard, a lot of the community has "left the scene" because, fuck it, we like games. And if your wondering why they didn't get Kaelaris, maybe he was busy or that huge fucking body of water and all the time zones didn't make it that appeal for him.
Did they actually announce the casters yet? Because to me Kaelaris is a straight up caster, not analyst, host etc.
Shaun 'Apollo' Clark - @ApolloSC2 Dan 'Artosis' Stemkoski - @Artosis Nicolas 'Tasteless' Plott - @CallMeTasteless Sean 'Day[9]' Plott - @day9tv Ben 'MrBitter' Nichol - @MrBitterTV Kevin 'RotterdaM' van der Kooi - @RotterdaM08
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host. Also why do you need three observers? Aren't two enough, there only can be one person hosting at a time.
Feels like they just invited almost anyone who ever did something in SC2, but then why again not Kaelaris who casted 1000s of WCS games the past year?
Other than that, I'm really happy with the people they choose. I'm sure the casters and Redeye are going to do an AMAZING job. Really just hope that the blizzcon crowd has enough SC2 fans. A bit worried about this, because multi-game events often tend to have less of a good crowd than SC2-only events (best example S3 finals with the AMAZING canadian crowd ).
Runs one of the two weekly shows features SC2. Plays SC2 a lot, but also plays other games. I guess that is your standard for "leaving the scene". By that standard, a lot of the community has "left the scene" because, fuck it, we like games. And if your wondering why they didn't get Kaelaris, maybe he was busy or that huge fucking body of water and all the time zones didn't make it that appeal for him.
Did they actually announce the casters yet? Because to me Kaelaris is a straight up caster, not analyst, host etc.
Shaun 'Apollo' Clark - @ApolloSC2 Dan 'Artosis' Stemkoski - @Artosis Nicolas 'Tasteless' Plott - @CallMeTasteless Sean 'Day[9]' Plott - @day9tv Ben 'MrBitter' Nichol - @MrBitterTV Kevin 'RotterdaM' van der Kooi - @RotterdaM08
On November 03 2013 19:23 nimdil wrote: Two protosses at analysis desk? We really need a terran...
Yeah, but who? The only person who really comes to mind is qxc, but he's still a full-time player, unlike ToD and Geoff. (Also, I sorta suspect that Polt, if he drops out early-ish, might join them occasionally.)
Qxc has done an ok job at analyzing on earlier occations, and has a pounding heart for the terran race. Maybe he could have made it to the analyzing desk with a better haircut...
Missing grubby again, he would be totally awesome with all those tosses in the tournament.
Great to see Chobra translating, his flare and style really bring out the best from the korean pros.
He actually asks thoughtful questions instead of 'How do you feel' as well. I don't care how they feel, I want to know what they think, and Chobra does a great job at that. Great lineup, would have loved to see Artosis or Day9 as well, but I really enjoy iNcontrols style and humour.
On November 04 2013 03:23 Prophecy3 wrote: Great to see Chobra translating, his flare and style really bring out the best from the korean pros.
He actually asks thoughtful questions instead of 'How do you feel' as well. I don't care how they feel, I want to know what they think, and Chobra does a great job at that. Great lineup, would have loved to see Artosis or Day9 as well, but I really enjoy iNcontrols style and humour.
Really looking forward to this!
They are 2 of the casters as seen above, the list in the OP is not for casters.
On November 03 2013 18:20 FoShao wrote: don't really see a point for djwheat being there...
People need to realize one of the "analysts" needs to be the guy who facilitates the actual conversation and asks the questions to the people doing the real analysis. That pretty much fits for djwheat.
On November 03 2013 18:20 FoShao wrote: don't really see a point for djwheat being there...
People need to realize one of the "analysts" needs to be the guy who facilitates the actual conversation and asks the questions to the people doing the real analysis. That pretty much fits for djwheat.
The SC2 scene has a history of undervaluing the ability to speak and present properly as a skill
On November 03 2013 18:20 FoShao wrote: don't really see a point for djwheat being there...
People need to realize one of the "analysts" needs to be the guy who facilitates the actual conversation and asks the questions to the people doing the real analysis. That pretty much fits for djwheat.
The SC2 scene has a history of undervaluing the ability to speak and present properly as a skill
This (and what TB is quoting) is a very good point. I may not be a djw fan, but he does have a skillset that could be put to good use here.
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host. Also why do you need three observers? Aren't two enough, there only can be one person hosting at a time.
Feels like they just invited almost anyone who ever did something in SC2, but then why again not Kaelaris who casted 1000s of WCS games the past year?
Other than that, I'm really happy with the people they choose. I'm sure the casters and Redeye are going to do an AMAZING job. Really just hope that the blizzcon crowd has enough SC2 fans. A bit worried about this, because multi-game events often tend to have less of a good crowd than SC2-only events (best example S3 finals with the AMAZING canadian crowd ).
Runs one of the two weekly shows features SC2. Plays SC2 a lot, but also plays other games. I guess that is your standard for "leaving the scene". By that standard, a lot of the community has "left the scene" because, fuck it, we like games. And if your wondering why they didn't get Kaelaris, maybe he was busy or that huge fucking body of water and all the time zones didn't make it that appeal for him.
The analysis desk is at its best when it is a debate. The idea is that you have a chair who directs the conversation and asks the obvious questions, then the analysts analyse, banter and so on.
I'm an experienced public speaker so even as a gold level Terran, I could ask the questions that I would want answered and assume that 80% of the populace wants the same questions answered. Then the analysts are able to agree or disagree as they see fit.
DJWheat is a great guy and I think it's annoying as hell that there are 8 pages of people failing reading comprehension just to slag him off. I read it and instantly understood what his role was.
The irony that a number of you will call me stupid for being gold is not lost on me.
On November 04 2013 07:17 RESOqub wrote: The irony that a number of you will call me stupid for being gold is not lost on me.
You're stupid because you're gold league and have less than 2000 posts!
Seriously, this is a great line-up. If any of you watch the LoL productions, or are thinking back to this after the fact, having DJWheat will make the analyst segments much less awkward. I honestly hope that they get rid of the extremely pointless game recaps and replace it with an actual discussion/debate much akin to what the LoL season finals did with analysts & players.
On November 03 2013 18:20 FoShao wrote: don't really see a point for djwheat being there...
People need to realize one of the "analysts" needs to be the guy who facilitates the actual conversation and asks the questions to the people doing the real analysis. That pretty much fits for djwheat.
The SC2 scene has a history of undervaluing the ability to speak and present properly as a skill
You have to understand that it´s the easiest way to take a dump on a public (i.e. larger than the viewer) figure, while hiding safely behind "objective" measures. Take that away from people and they go somewhere else to hate, leaving esports to die.
Don´t know the observers besides Adebisi, but it makes sense to not have Legend, since communication would likely be a problem. Other than that, I´m really glad they put such an emphasis on hosting. It makes the whole experience much more enjoyable, especially when one guy does not have to do the whole work. <3<3<3 Wheat.
On November 03 2013 08:44 Caladan wrote: Why do they need DJWheat for analysis desk? He barely has anything to do with SC2 nowadays and now he is to do the analysis? I really dislike him, for having left the SC2 scene more or less. If you say, he is just "hosting" the analysis desk, why is Incontrol not enough for doing this? Can't understand why the analysis desk needs a separate host. Also why do you need three observers? Aren't two enough, there only can be one person hosting at a time.
Feels like they just invited almost anyone who ever did something in SC2, but then why again not Kaelaris who casted 1000s of WCS games the past year?
Other than that, I'm really happy with the people they choose. I'm sure the casters and Redeye are going to do an AMAZING job. Really just hope that the blizzcon crowd has enough SC2 fans. A bit worried about this, because multi-game events often tend to have less of a good crowd than SC2-only events (best example S3 finals with the AMAZING canadian crowd ).
Runs one of the two weekly shows features SC2. Plays SC2 a lot, but also plays other games. I guess that is your standard for "leaving the scene". By that standard, a lot of the community has "left the scene" because, fuck it, we like games. And if your wondering why they didn't get Kaelaris, maybe he was busy or that huge fucking body of water and all the time zones didn't make it that appeal for him.
Kaelaris simply wasn't invited.
Yeah, they decided to work with someone who lives I the US. Everyone from every part of the world can't be at every single event.
Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are. Can't like a person who hops around scene to scene to try and make a quick buck off of their fanbase. It's clear he watches absolutely zero matches and doesn't give a shit about anything besides putting on his weekly show and streaming.
This is the same person who was streaming their starstriker (or w/e) tournament during the WCS S2 Finals and didn't make one peep about it. Maybe I'm just being negative, but fuck people like that.
On November 05 2013 12:51 beesinyoface wrote: Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are.
No, most people are not bummed out about it, there's a few of the vocal minority complaining.
Also I'd like to point out that someone that does MULTIPLE shows every week with a heavy Starcraft focus is likely significantly better informed than any random forum poster would be. In addition to that, Wheat is the most experienced guy in the business and is an ideal anchor for a desk like that as a result. Nobody in this scene can hold a candle to him in that regard, he's done TV, he's done more events than the SC2 casters combined, he knows what he's doing.
Again as I mentioned earlier in the thread, this community criminally undervalues actual professional skills over this mythical ideal of "game knowledge" while the people who organise events value people who know what they're doing over whether or not they can predict a build 10 minutes before it happens.
On November 05 2013 12:51 beesinyoface wrote: Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are.
No, most people are not bummed out about it, there's a few of the vocal minority complaining.
Also I'd like to point out that someone that does MULTIPLE shows every week with a heavy Starcraft focus is likely significantly better informed than any random forum poster would be. In addition to that, Wheat is the most experienced guy in the business and is an ideal anchor for a desk like that as a result. Nobody in this scene can hold a candle to him in that regard, he's done TV, he's done more events than the SC2 casters combined, he knows what he's doing.
Again as I mentioned earlier in the thread, this community criminally undervalues actual professional skills over this mythical ideal of "game knowledge" while the people who organise events value people who know what they're doing over whether or not they can predict a build 10 minutes before it happens.
It's kinda like you read the first sentence of what I posted, and then just completely ignored the rest. I'm actually kind of impressed TB, quite an accomplishment!
On November 05 2013 12:51 beesinyoface wrote: Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are.
No, most people are not bummed out about it, there's a few of the vocal minority complaining.
Also I'd like to point out that someone that does MULTIPLE shows every week with a heavy Starcraft focus is likely significantly better informed than any random forum poster would be. In addition to that, Wheat is the most experienced guy in the business and is an ideal anchor for a desk like that as a result. Nobody in this scene can hold a candle to him in that regard, he's done TV, he's done more events than the SC2 casters combined, he knows what he's doing.
Again as I mentioned earlier in the thread, this community criminally undervalues actual professional skills over this mythical ideal of "game knowledge" while the people who organise events value people who know what they're doing over whether or not they can predict a build 10 minutes before it happens.
It's kinda like you read the first sentence of what I posted, and then just completely ignored the rest. I'm actually kind of impressed TB, quite an accomplishment!
Truth be told, TB is right. You just don't like DJW and the rest is just glorified justification of the fact.
DJWheat is pretty entertaining guy to be there and even if I don't love, I like it.
On November 05 2013 12:51 beesinyoface wrote: Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are.
No, most people are not bummed out about it, there's a few of the vocal minority complaining.
Also I'd like to point out that someone that does MULTIPLE shows every week with a heavy Starcraft focus is likely significantly better informed than any random forum poster would be. In addition to that, Wheat is the most experienced guy in the business and is an ideal anchor for a desk like that as a result. Nobody in this scene can hold a candle to him in that regard, he's done TV, he's done more events than the SC2 casters combined, he knows what he's doing.
Again as I mentioned earlier in the thread, this community criminally undervalues actual professional skills over this mythical ideal of "game knowledge" while the people who organise events value people who know what they're doing over whether or not they can predict a build 10 minutes before it happens.
It's kinda like you read the first sentence of what I posted, and then just completely ignored the rest. I'm actually kind of impressed TB, quite an accomplishment!
On November 05 2013 12:51 beesinyoface wrote: Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are.
No, most people are not bummed out about it, there's a few of the vocal minority complaining.
Also I'd like to point out that someone that does MULTIPLE shows every week with a heavy Starcraft focus is likely significantly better informed than any random forum poster would be. In addition to that, Wheat is the most experienced guy in the business and is an ideal anchor for a desk like that as a result. Nobody in this scene can hold a candle to him in that regard, he's done TV, he's done more events than the SC2 casters combined, he knows what he's doing.
Again as I mentioned earlier in the thread, this community criminally undervalues actual professional skills over this mythical ideal of "game knowledge" while the people who organise events value people who know what they're doing over whether or not they can predict a build 10 minutes before it happens.
It's kinda like you read the first sentence of what I posted, and then just completely ignored the rest. I'm actually kind of impressed TB, quite an accomplishment!
On November 05 2013 12:51 beesinyoface wrote: Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are.
No, most people are not bummed out about it, there's a few of the vocal minority complaining.
Also I'd like to point out that someone that does MULTIPLE shows every week with a heavy Starcraft focus is likely significantly better informed than any random forum poster would be. In addition to that, Wheat is the most experienced guy in the business and is an ideal anchor for a desk like that as a result. Nobody in this scene can hold a candle to him in that regard, he's done TV, he's done more events than the SC2 casters combined, he knows what he's doing.
Again as I mentioned earlier in the thread, this community criminally undervalues actual professional skills over this mythical ideal of "game knowledge" while the people who organise events value people who know what they're doing over whether or not they can predict a build 10 minutes before it happens.
It's kinda like you read the first sentence of what I posted, and then just completely ignored the rest. I'm actually kind of impressed TB, quite an accomplishment!
On November 06 2013 21:56 mouzKaelaris wrote: Hahaha I really hope you have this image link to hand just in case you need to respond in the appropriate way. Golden.
Oh I do. I wonder if they'd sell it to me, could probably make mad t-shirt bank off that :D
On November 06 2013 21:56 mouzKaelaris wrote: Hahaha I really hope you have this image link to hand just in case you need to respond in the appropriate way. Golden.
Oh I do. I wonder if they'd sell it to me, could probably make mad t-shirt bank off that :D
On November 05 2013 12:51 beesinyoface wrote: Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are. Can't like a person who hops around scene to scene to try and make a quick buck off of their fanbase. It's clear he watches absolutely zero matches and doesn't give a shit about anything besides putting on his weekly show and streaming.
This is the same person who was streaming their starstriker (or w/e) tournament during the WCS S2 Finals and didn't make one peep about it. Maybe I'm just being negative, but fuck people like that.
You managed to get almost everything wrong in this post, congratulations
If you don't like Wheat that's fine but don't spew a bunch of bullshit to justify it
On November 06 2013 21:56 mouzKaelaris wrote: Hahaha I really hope you have this image link to hand just in case you need to respond in the appropriate way. Golden.
Oh I do. I wonder if they'd sell it to me, could probably make mad t-shirt bank off that :D
I would welcome this shirt with open arms haha.
I'll miss your sexy accent, Kaelaris. Its sad that you'll not be there.
On November 05 2013 12:51 beesinyoface wrote: Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are. Can't like a person who hops around scene to scene to try and make a quick buck off of their fanbase. It's clear he watches absolutely zero matches and doesn't give a shit about anything besides putting on his weekly show and streaming.
This is the same person who was streaming their starstriker (or w/e) tournament during the WCS S2 Finals and didn't make one peep about it. Maybe I'm just being negative, but fuck people like that.
You managed to get almost everything wrong in this post, congratulations
If you don't like Wheat that's fine but don't spew a bunch of bullshit to justify it
The best part is when he says the "like most people are" because he saw like 5 other posts in the threat that agreed with him. If you find people in a thread bitching about something, those people must be the majority.
On November 05 2013 12:51 beesinyoface wrote: Really bummed about Wheat being there, like most other people are. Can't like a person who hops around scene to scene to try and make a quick buck off of their fanbase. It's clear he watches absolutely zero matches and doesn't give a shit about anything besides putting on his weekly show and streaming.
This is the same person who was streaming their starstriker (or w/e) tournament during the WCS S2 Finals and didn't make one peep about it. Maybe I'm just being negative, but fuck people like that.
You managed to get almost everything wrong in this post, congratulations
If you don't like Wheat that's fine but don't spew a bunch of bullshit to justify it
The best part is when he says the "like most people are" because he saw like 5 other posts in the threat that agreed with him. If you find people in a thread bitching about something, those people must be the majority.
The Internet is awesome like that.
Hey, haven't you heard of the "silent majority"? Obviously, there is a silent group of DJW haters that make up the majority of the community!!!
EPT
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