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On October 30 2013 00:48 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
Also, I'm pretty surprised at the people saying that 18 hours isn't a lot of coursework. That was similar to what I did at my university, and even though I was only in lectures for 18 hours a week, I was still up until the early morning pretty much every day writing papers, doing research, and studying for quizzes/exams. 18 hours of class isn't the same as, say, working a part time job for 18 hours at the grocery store--you're not done and free once you get home. Sure it's possible to have a larger course load, but in my experience, that was definitely enough to fill my entire day with work.
On October 29 2013 23:31 andrewlt wrote:
I don't recall ever exceeding 20 hours of classes in university. My MBA program was only 8 hours a week. More than 20 hours of lecture sounds like an extension of high school.
Guys, stop comparing your US undergrad/grad courseload to his courseload. He's taking 18 hours of English a week, not 3 hours of English, 3 of Math, 3 of Chemistry, 3 of Physics, and 3 of whatever. Do you see the difference now? He's probably in an ESL program, not an MBA, not an undergraduate level coursework. It's a foreign language that billions speak it. That's why he says it's easy.
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Damn, Polt is a beast, I have no idea how he does it, mad props to him, respect level trough the roof now.
Willpower is really an amazing thing.
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18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.
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On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.
Well, 18 hours means 18 hours of lecture or class. It is up to students that want success to put in the rest of the hours on their own.
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On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.
Undergraduate studies does rock IF you are a native/fluent speaker of English. Polt is not.
Learning English doesn't come easy to many. I look at some of my Chinese friends in law school that continues to struggle with the language, I hope Polt gets truly comfortable with English sooner rather than later so he can get more sleep.
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On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is).
For university, it is. When I was in uni, for my major, 16 hours was standard.
I came from the Philippines and it played a huge part of my decision to come to the US instead of studying there. That was back in the early 2000s. The style back then in the Philippines (no idea about now) was very lecture heavy and very much like high school. For example, students in computer science didn't need to program using a computer until their second or maybe even third year. It was all theory and way too many general education classes their first two years.
In contrast, undergrad business school in the US only had 16 hours of lectures per week. Instead, we had a lot of reading, papers, presentations, group projects, filling out spreadsheets, networking and participating in a bunch of organizational behavior studies. The biggest difference was the number of group presentations and group papers, which was heavily emphasized in business school. In talking about credit hours, pretty much only lecture hours count. Lab hours, discussion class hours and the like don't count, even if they are required to pass the class.
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I do not believe Polt's lies. How much for teaching me your Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, Polt?
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Polt is a boss. 18 credits and still that amazing at starcraft. I take 15, barely go, and still can't get masters 
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On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?
Well for people out of the Anglo-sphere, English is useless for day-to-day living so I don't know what kind of assertion you're trying to make with globalization and the English language. There are even millions of Americans in the United States who can't speak English at a basic level to the extent that the government has translations offered for important messages (I'm talking about the Hispanics).
Of course if you're a pro-gamer, English is the go-to language but out of that, I don't get your point. English in Korea is like French or Spanish in the United States.
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On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.
20 credits a week is standard in the top universities of America, so I guess the world's educated elites are living under a rock. Don't kid yourself. There's more to university than the number of hours you spend in a lecture.
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On October 29 2013 16:30 Musicus wrote:
Man that's really good english from HerO, he uses tenses correctly too, keep it up!
Well, I think that's a common "phenomenon" among Asian people: They don't really talk in English. They might know the grammar quite well, but they're not used to talking in English at all.
... At least that's what some Japanese people told me :-P
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On October 30 2013 02:38 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel. 20 credits a week is standard in the top universities of America, so I guess the world's educated elites are living under a rock. Don't kid yourself. There's more to university than the number of hours you spend in a lecture.
No, 20 credits a week is not standard. 18 is actually the maximum you are allowed at a lot of institutions (without special permission and/or paying more), although 21 is more common I believe. Most students take 15 or so though. "Standard" workload is considered 3 hours of out of class work per credit hour, so a 15 hour load is 60 hours a week.
Bottom line is, 18 hours is a LOT of work. I have done it 2-3 times, and there are a lot of sleepless nights involved in doing so. Bottom line is, what Polt is doing takes an enormous amount of commitment, and is very impressive in my mind.
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i rly feel alot koreans just get the "extra" with the commentator and look at hero ^^ he rly dont need one 
he speak better then alot eastern europeans
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On October 30 2013 01:29 Waxangel wrote:Videos like the Jaedong "I LOVE YOU AMERICA!" clip get brought up as cringe videos in Korea,
If you ever see a forum post on Korean forums about these videos being ridiculed, could you link it all over TL please?
A few dozen fanboy posts about how awesome it is that Korean players speak even a bit of English could start changing their mindset
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Waxangel: "People need time to do other stuff, to unwind, to have fun."
Polt: "Ah, I'm having fun with my job!"
Wow, what a great attitude :')
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Damn, Wax great job on losing weight. More like Munchlax now.
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On October 30 2013 01:23 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language? English is a compulsory subject in korea and we start learning english at an elementary school. A lot of parents send their children to this "english kindergarten" to get them to be used to english from an early age. We also watch shit tons of american movies because its on TV all day every day. I think europeans in general learn english much faster than asians because of grammatical similaritie;just like how koreans excel in japanese,
Not all languages are grammatically similar to English, to be honest. I'd even go as far as saying that in Europe, few languages are. Even in its own language category, the germanic languages, English kind of stands out among the rest compared to Dutch, German, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian, which are remarkably similar in terms of vocabulary and grammar.
It's also a myth that Europeans are generally good speakers of English though. Good luck getting around Spain, France, Italy or most of Eastern Europe with only English.
On October 30 2013 02:35 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language? Well for people out of the Anglo-sphere, English is useless for day-to-day living so I don't know what kind of assertion you're trying to make with globalization and the English language. There are even millions of Americans in the United States who can't speak English at a basic level to the extent that the government has translations offered for important messages (I'm talking about the Hispanics). Of course if you're a pro-gamer, English is the go-to language but out of that, I don't get your point. English in Korea is like French or Spanish in the United States.
Thing is, nowadays noone is out of the anglosphere, especially not in developed or developing countries. English is the lingua franca of our time, not having some degree of fluency in it will handicap you. South Korea has a lot of international trade going on so I can't imagine a good command of English not being important for professionals. Besides, I recall having read somewhere that English teachers are in high-demand in South Korea (I think it was in one of Khaldor's videoblogs, but I'm not sure).
In my experience, foreign language education is most behind in countries that are irrationally chauvinistic about their own language and culture and view others as inferior or intrusive (above countries fit in that category).
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