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Koreans try out their English at WCS Season Finals - Page 5

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ggofthejungle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania392 Posts
October 29 2013 16:50 GMT
#81
On October 30 2013 00:48 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
Also, I'm pretty surprised at the people saying that 18 hours isn't a lot of coursework. That was similar to what I did at my university, and even though I was only in lectures for 18 hours a week, I was still up until the early morning pretty much every day writing papers, doing research, and studying for quizzes/exams. 18 hours of class isn't the same as, say, working a part time job for 18 hours at the grocery store--you're not done and free once you get home. Sure it's possible to have a larger course load, but in my experience, that was definitely enough to fill my entire day with work.


On October 29 2013 23:31 andrewlt wrote:
I don't recall ever exceeding 20 hours of classes in university. My MBA program was only 8 hours a week. More than 20 hours of lecture sounds like an extension of high school.


Guys, stop comparing your US undergrad/grad courseload to his courseload. He's taking 18 hours of English a week, not 3 hours of English, 3 of Math, 3 of Chemistry, 3 of Physics, and 3 of whatever. Do you see the difference now? He's probably in an ESL program, not an MBA, not an undergraduate level coursework. It's a foreign language that billions speak it. That's why he says it's easy.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
October 29 2013 16:52 GMT
#82
Damn, Polt is a beast, I have no idea how he does it, mad props to him, respect level trough the roof now.

Willpower is really an amazing thing.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 17:05:30
October 29 2013 16:59 GMT
#83
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
October 29 2013 17:07 GMT
#84
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.


Well, 18 hours means 18 hours of lecture or class. It is up to students that want success to put in the rest of the hours on their own.
"He's like a Kakuna with Flamestrike." - Artosis 25.7.2014 \\ "Sometimes you gotta' be manly to get out of the group stage, Reynad." -Artosis 17.10.2014 \\ “There goes your dream of a frivolous lawsuit with a brewing company.” – Tasteless 26.8.2015
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
October 29 2013 17:10 GMT
#85
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.

Undergraduate studies does rock IF you are a native/fluent speaker of English. Polt is not.

Learning English doesn't come easy to many. I look at some of my Chinese friends in law school that continues to struggle with the language, I hope Polt gets truly comfortable with English sooner rather than later so he can get more sleep.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 17:20:24
October 29 2013 17:18 GMT
#86
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is).


For university, it is. When I was in uni, for my major, 16 hours was standard.

I came from the Philippines and it played a huge part of my decision to come to the US instead of studying there. That was back in the early 2000s. The style back then in the Philippines (no idea about now) was very lecture heavy and very much like high school. For example, students in computer science didn't need to program using a computer until their second or maybe even third year. It was all theory and way too many general education classes their first two years.

In contrast, undergrad business school in the US only had 16 hours of lectures per week. Instead, we had a lot of reading, papers, presentations, group projects, filling out spreadsheets, networking and participating in a bunch of organizational behavior studies. The biggest difference was the number of group presentations and group papers, which was heavily emphasized in business school. In talking about credit hours, pretty much only lecture hours count. Lab hours, discussion class hours and the like don't count, even if they are required to pass the class.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 29 2013 17:31 GMT
#87
I do not believe Polt's lies. How much for teaching me your Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, Polt?
MrProdigious
Profile Joined July 2012
36 Posts
October 29 2013 17:34 GMT
#88
Polt is a boss. 18 credits and still that amazing at starcraft. I take 15, barely go, and still can't get masters
Getting better everyday.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 29 2013 17:35 GMT
#89
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?


Well for people out of the Anglo-sphere, English is useless for day-to-day living so I don't know what kind of assertion you're trying to make with globalization and the English language. There are even millions of Americans in the United States who can't speak English at a basic level to the extent that the government has translations offered for important messages (I'm talking about the Hispanics).
Of course if you're a pro-gamer, English is the go-to language but out of that, I don't get your point. English in Korea is like French or Spanish in the United States.
rip passion
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 29 2013 17:38 GMT
#90
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.


20 credits a week is standard in the top universities of America, so I guess the world's educated elites are living under a rock. Don't kid yourself. There's more to university than the number of hours you spend in a lecture.
rip passion
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 17:42:19
October 29 2013 17:38 GMT
#91
On October 29 2013 16:30 Musicus wrote:
Man that's really good english from HerO, he uses tenses correctly too, keep it up!


Well, I think that's a common "phenomenon" among Asian people: They don't really talk in English. They might know the grammar quite well, but they're not used to talking in English at all.

... At least that's what some Japanese people told me :-P
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 29 2013 17:39 GMT
#92
Polt <3
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Iceman331
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1306 Posts
October 29 2013 17:44 GMT
#93
On October 30 2013 02:38 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.


20 credits a week is standard in the top universities of America, so I guess the world's educated elites are living under a rock. Don't kid yourself. There's more to university than the number of hours you spend in a lecture.


No, 20 credits a week is not standard. 18 is actually the maximum you are allowed at a lot of institutions (without special permission and/or paying more), although 21 is more common I believe. Most students take 15 or so though. "Standard" workload is considered 3 hours of out of class work per credit hour, so a 15 hour load is 60 hours a week.

Bottom line is, 18 hours is a LOT of work. I have done it 2-3 times, and there are a lot of sleepless nights involved in doing so. Bottom line is, what Polt is doing takes an enormous amount of commitment, and is very impressive in my mind.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
October 29 2013 18:19 GMT
#94
i rly feel alot koreans just get the "extra" with the commentator and look at hero ^^ he rly dont need one
he speak better then alot eastern europeans
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
October 29 2013 19:39 GMT
#95
On October 30 2013 01:29 Waxangel wrote:Videos like the Jaedong "I LOVE YOU AMERICA!" clip get brought up as cringe videos in Korea,

If you ever see a forum post on Korean forums about these videos being ridiculed, could you link it all over TL please?

A few dozen fanboy posts about how awesome it is that Korean players speak even a bit of English could start changing their mindset
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Penguinator
Profile Joined December 2010
United States837 Posts
October 29 2013 19:52 GMT
#96
Waxangel: "People need time to do other stuff, to unwind, to have fun."
Polt: "Ah, I'm having fun with my job!"

Wow, what a great attitude :')
Towelie.635
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2104 Posts
October 29 2013 20:08 GMT
#97
HolyshitPolt
Moonsalt
Profile Joined May 2011
267 Posts
October 29 2013 20:12 GMT
#98
Hero is pretty good :O
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
October 29 2013 20:43 GMT
#99
Damn, Wax great job on losing weight. More like Munchlax now.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 21:06:02
October 29 2013 20:51 GMT
#100
On October 30 2013 01:23 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?



English is a compulsory subject in korea and we start learning english at an elementary school. A lot of parents send their children to this "english kindergarten" to get them to be used to english from an early age. We also watch shit tons of american movies because its on TV all day every day. I think europeans in general learn english much faster than asians because of grammatical similaritie;just like how koreans excel in japanese,

Not all languages are grammatically similar to English, to be honest. I'd even go as far as saying that in Europe, few languages are. Even in its own language category, the germanic languages, English kind of stands out among the rest compared to Dutch, German, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian, which are remarkably similar in terms of vocabulary and grammar.

It's also a myth that Europeans are generally good speakers of English though. Good luck getting around Spain, France, Italy or most of Eastern Europe with only English.

On October 30 2013 02:35 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?


Well for people out of the Anglo-sphere, English is useless for day-to-day living so I don't know what kind of assertion you're trying to make with globalization and the English language. There are even millions of Americans in the United States who can't speak English at a basic level to the extent that the government has translations offered for important messages (I'm talking about the Hispanics).
Of course if you're a pro-gamer, English is the go-to language but out of that, I don't get your point. English in Korea is like French or Spanish in the United States.


Thing is, nowadays noone is out of the anglosphere, especially not in developed or developing countries. English is the lingua franca of our time, not having some degree of fluency in it will handicap you. South Korea has a lot of international trade going on so I can't imagine a good command of English not being important for professionals. Besides, I recall having read somewhere that English teachers are in high-demand in South Korea (I think it was in one of Khaldor's videoblogs, but I'm not sure).

In my experience, foreign language education is most behind in countries that are irrationally chauvinistic about their own language and culture and view others as inferior or intrusive (above countries fit in that category).
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