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Koreans try out their English at WCS Season Finals

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
October 29 2013 07:14 GMT
#1
(T)CMStorm_Polt

If you've ever felt like you don't have the time to be successful or chase your dreams, then you should probably avoid watching this interview because Polt will make you feel pretty bad.




(P)Liquid`HerO

It's hard to force it out of him, but HerO is actually pretty good at English. Make sure to bug him to conduct all of his interviews in English from now on.



More videos to come!

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Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
October 29 2013 07:22 GMT
#2
Dat Waxangel market research XD
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 29 2013 07:30 GMT
#3
Man that's really good english from HerO, he uses tenses correctly too, keep it up!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 29 2013 07:30 GMT
#4
Polt speaking truth to power! Full time student going far in WCS and obviously his English is improving steadily.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 29 2013 07:30 GMT
#5
You will notice the camera starts to shake after Polt explains how easy it is to take 18 credit hours and win WCS America back to back and that's because I couldn't stop laughing at how goddamn nonchalant he is about not sleeping, as if everyone does that and it's the most straight forward and easy decision to make.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
October 29 2013 07:35 GMT
#6
Polt is really smart, really good english. Get some sleep polt ^_^
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
October 29 2013 07:38 GMT
#7
On October 29 2013 16:30 Heyoka wrote:
You will notice the camera starts to shake after Polt explains how easy it is to take 18 credit hours and win WCS America back to back and that's because I couldn't stop laughing at how goddamn nonchalant he is about not sleeping, as if everyone does that and it's the most straight forward and easy decision to make.


#NoSleepTillGM

Polt is really making a case for the Asian student stereotype.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 29 2013 07:42 GMT
#8
On October 29 2013 16:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 16:30 Heyoka wrote:
You will notice the camera starts to shake after Polt explains how easy it is to take 18 credit hours and win WCS America back to back and that's because I couldn't stop laughing at how goddamn nonchalant he is about not sleeping, as if everyone does that and it's the most straight forward and easy decision to make.


#NoSleepTillGM

Polt is really making a case for the Asian student stereotype.


Seriously, I feel so fucking lazy right now... (well I always do, but even more now).
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
October 29 2013 07:46 GMT
#9
i love polt the guy is just killing it at life doing exactly what he wants
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
October 29 2013 07:52 GMT
#10


dat improvement
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Oriatis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria57 Posts
October 29 2013 07:54 GMT
#11
Awesome interviews! Thanks for your effort!
The Polt interview somehow gets you motivated: just because you start working doesn't mean that you have to give
up your dreams!
hwaitiiing!
slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 07:55:40
October 29 2013 07:54 GMT
#12
This is awesome!
Hero is actually pretty damn good. <3
I get it.
partouf
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Netherlands405 Posts
October 29 2013 08:00 GMT
#13
cool stuff, thanks <3
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Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
October 29 2013 08:02 GMT
#14
HerO has improved so much!
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 08:14:58
October 29 2013 08:07 GMT
#15
Hero's english is pretty good! probably better than most of other korean pro gamers
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Path
Profile Joined September 2010
United States145 Posts
October 29 2013 08:08 GMT
#16
On October 29 2013 16:52 GTR wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ-y-PU-dX4

dat improvement


dat lightning strike
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
October 29 2013 08:12 GMT
#17
HOLY hero's english is so good!
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
October 29 2013 08:13 GMT
#18
Polt taking the loss like a champ. Love the attitude.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
October 29 2013 08:23 GMT
#19
Polt being awesome <3
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trada
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany347 Posts
October 29 2013 08:24 GMT
#20
eyeconctact, wax, eyecontact.
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IAMPRO
Profile Joined November 2011
Afghanistan118 Posts
October 29 2013 08:36 GMT
#21
damn Polt is awesome
SuHoSin - we'll never forget your genius
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
October 29 2013 08:40 GMT
#22
These guys are just too awesome <3


But, man! Polt! You are just freaking amazing! Your English, your attitude, your skills! Especially your attitude! He just seems like the nicest guy ever! Would love to meet him one day! So inspirational!

"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
October 29 2013 08:50 GMT
#23
Polt must have some strict time management to juggle all that
lystier
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
China877 Posts
October 29 2013 08:58 GMT
#24
Polt is sooo good at english!
Startale forever.
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 09:16:38
October 29 2013 09:15 GMT
#25
Yeah, Polt's English skills are great! I couldn't tell so well in the games I saw him casting with DAy[9] but he is very good. :D
I wasn't surprised at what Polt was saying about studies. *Shrug*
18 hours isn't "full-time" like a full-time job with SC2. Normally you'd study a lot outside of course hours but maybe with THAT many hours dedicated just to the one subject, he isn't required need to? I'm not sure though.
I was hoping he would get at least 6 every night though. 8 is always nicer than 6 but getting less than 6 (4-5) always feels much rougher for me than actually getting at least 6.
I hope he's careful about not sleeping too little, for the sake of his health! The same could be said for many korean students though.

HerO does speak English well enough for interviews, but of course if your vocabulary is still somewhat limited and you're not feeling very confident, giving interviews in English would be very daunting, even if you easily speak enough for it.
In other news, more evidence that Hirai rocks.
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SeeDs.pt
Profile Joined August 2012
Portugal33 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 09:25:52
October 29 2013 09:23 GMT
#26
edit: basically a lot of what Fuchsteufelswild also said :p, was slower

It's still impressive but i'm more surprised at the reactions in the thread.
30+ hours of classes in college was normal in portugal (dunno now), around 6 hours or more per day in high-school.
18 is around 3.6 hours per day, it still leaves plenty of time for other things. In addition is just english.
What makes it impressive to me is still the dedication to starcraft itself and ocasional chores, he has a better time management than many i guess

I do hope he manages to sleep 6+ hours more often than not though, below 6 he may cause permanent brain damage if i'm not mistaken. And it's probably detrimental to his practice and tournament performance even though he didn't like to think of that because of sounding as an excuse

Regardless, awesome dedication and glad he still loves it! good luck to Polt at blizzcon, hope to continue seeing him play for a long long time

Thanks for the interviews
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
October 29 2013 09:30 GMT
#27
Polt is so good at SC AND at his life. He is a role model for people who want to become progamer imo. Admirable guy.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 29 2013 09:37 GMT
#28
Polt's English surprised me when he casted with Day9. Good shit.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
tuoli9
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland211 Posts
October 29 2013 10:04 GMT
#29
Love to Wax & boys, these interviews were grrrrrreat!
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
October 29 2013 10:08 GMT
#30
is 18 hours a week full time? In sweden 40 hours is full time :/
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KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
October 29 2013 10:10 GMT
#31
Damn, Hero's english has improved by leaps and bounds. Thanks for the videos.
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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
October 29 2013 10:13 GMT
#32
On October 29 2013 16:30 Heyoka wrote:
You will notice the camera starts to shake after Polt explains how easy it is to take 18 credit hours and win WCS America back to back and that's because I couldn't stop laughing at how goddamn nonchalant he is about not sleeping, as if everyone does that and it's the most straight forward and easy decision to make.

we will also notice how the cam follows when a beautiful gal goes by, but you hold it like a boss then.
Michael Probu
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 29 2013 10:32 GMT
#33
On October 29 2013 19:08 Coolhwip wrote:
is 18 hours a week full time? In sweden 40 hours is full time :/


You don't have 40 hours of lectures a week though, do you?

On another note:

Kwanghee Woo ‏@SaintSnorlax 6h
HerO tried to decline a video interview at WCS America. A simple "Hey, who pays you?" quickly resolved that.

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mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
October 29 2013 10:47 GMT
#34
On October 29 2013 19:32 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 19:08 Coolhwip wrote:
is 18 hours a week full time? In sweden 40 hours is full time :/


You don't have 40 hours of lectures a week though, do you?

On another note:

Kwanghee Woo ‏@SaintSnorlax 6h
HerO tried to decline a video interview at WCS America. A simple "Hey, who pays you?" quickly resolved that.





LOL Hero so cute XD
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habeck
Profile Joined February 2011
1120 Posts
October 29 2013 10:54 GMT
#35
Polt is fucking starcraft 2 genius
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 29 2013 10:57 GMT
#36
Thanks for the interviews!
go poltuu
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rafaliusz
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland482 Posts
October 29 2013 11:00 GMT
#37
On October 29 2013 16:30 Heyoka wrote:
You will notice the camera starts to shake after Polt explains how easy it is to take 18 credit hours and win WCS America back to back and that's because I couldn't stop laughing at how goddamn nonchalant he is about not sleeping, as if everyone does that and it's the most straight forward and easy decision to make.

18 hours of classes is actually not that much, you could do that in 2 days and this would leave 5 days of the week free.
Grollicus
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany287 Posts
October 29 2013 11:01 GMT
#38
"They are soooooooooooooooooo I forgot the word" haha great!
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 29 2013 11:11 GMT
#39
It's all about determination. Don't you give up on that moustache, Wax.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 29 2013 11:18 GMT
#40
On October 29 2013 20:11 AlternativeEgo wrote:
It's all about determination. Don't you give up on that moustache, Wax.

I came here to post in support of the mustache
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crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
October 29 2013 11:23 GMT
#41
And what about physical exercise (regarding polt)? Can someone just skip that and still be fine? I guess households chors include preparing food, or can you eat healthy takeaway food for a decent price in SK?

Really impressive by Polt, I fell in love with his healthy attitude. I think that keeps him from feeling easily exhausted. I kind of feel inspired to give all my free time too playing sc2 now, just for the heck of it, but working overtime and cash it all out in a 30 days vacation in Asia simply is too good to let go off. I feel split in my head!
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
October 29 2013 11:28 GMT
#42
On October 29 2013 20:00 rafaliusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 16:30 Heyoka wrote:
You will notice the camera starts to shake after Polt explains how easy it is to take 18 credit hours and win WCS America back to back and that's because I couldn't stop laughing at how goddamn nonchalant he is about not sleeping, as if everyone does that and it's the most straight forward and easy decision to make.

18 hours of classes is actually not that much, you could do that in 2 days and this would leave 5 days of the week free.

18 hours of classes for me means I need to put in the work of 72 hours per week to my studies. I don't know exactly how Polt's school count credit hours, but I can't imagine him putting in anything less than 36 hours per week to keep up.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25283 Posts
October 29 2013 11:38 GMT
#43
Cool content. Is it just me that feels the tonality of HerO and Polt's voices would actually suit the image of the other player better?
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Juicy Orange
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada133 Posts
October 29 2013 11:50 GMT
#44
Didn't a caster say that HerO is half Canadian during the recent WCS? I think it was Day9... not sure if he was telling the truth either.
VieuxSinge
Profile Joined February 2011
France231 Posts
October 29 2013 12:04 GMT
#45
This is great! Thank you HerO and Polt!
Another clue to my existence.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
October 29 2013 12:08 GMT
#46
On October 29 2013 20:50 Juicy Orange wrote:
Didn't a caster say that HerO is half Canadian during the recent WCS? I think it was Day9... not sure if he was telling the truth either.


I.. No. Pretty sure he is full Korean, but Day9 said cuz you know they were in Toronto in Canada so... People get hyped if you say something like that.
Muffinman53
Profile Joined November 2010
571 Posts
October 29 2013 12:09 GMT
#47
Gogo HerO's English <3
Thanks for the interviews :D
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 29 2013 12:16 GMT
#48
On October 29 2013 20:50 Juicy Orange wrote:
Didn't a caster say that HerO is half Canadian during the recent WCS? I think it was Day9... not sure if he was telling the truth either.

It was just a joke ^^
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 29 2013 13:25 GMT
#49
Polt and HerO are two of the best English speaking Korean players.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 13:26:27
October 29 2013 13:26 GMT
#50
On October 29 2013 22:25 Darkhoarse wrote:
Polt and HerO are two of the best English speaking Korean players.

viOlet is fluent.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 29 2013 13:41 GMT
#51
On October 29 2013 22:26 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 22:25 Darkhoarse wrote:
Polt and HerO are two of the best English speaking Korean players.

viOlet is fluent.

True true yo! I forget about him because he's been away for awhile. Original statement still true
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spena
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada116 Posts
October 29 2013 13:49 GMT
#52
please TL more content like these
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 13:53:48
October 29 2013 13:52 GMT
#53
On October 29 2013 19:32 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 19:08 Coolhwip wrote:
is 18 hours a week full time? In sweden 40 hours is full time :/


I have 28. FML.

But from what I know about english classes the homework shouldn't be too bad. At least if it is anything like it is at German universities. Still very impressive by Polt.

If Polt keeps improving his english at this rate he should be perfectly capable of being a commentator full time in next few years. Although his voice may not be ideal.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 29 2013 13:53 GMT
#54
On October 29 2013 16:54 Oriatis wrote:
Awesome interviews! Thanks for your effort!
The Polt interview somehow gets you motivated: just because you start working doesn't mean that you have to give
up your dreams!
hwaitiiing!


Well you do have to give up your sleep apparently, which reasonable people don't want to do.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
October 29 2013 13:56 GMT
#55
I study a Masters Degree. I have less than 18 hours (Around 16 hours), and I spend a great deal of time preparing and doing projects. Plus reading of course. Our line of study is considered 50 hours work load during the week due to a long summer holiday etc.

So from 16 -> 50 would mean that for Polt it should be around 56 hours of school.

Obviously this isn't necessary the case, but just goes to show that just because you don't have lectures it doesn't mean you don't have to spend time working.
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jtp118
Profile Joined November 2010
United States137 Posts
October 29 2013 14:05 GMT
#56
for the love of god dude, speak more slowly ... when they have to ask you to repeat yourself every 30 seconds, that should be a sign
CloudCat
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore159 Posts
October 29 2013 14:12 GMT
#57
thanks for the interviews! awesome english by HerO, loving this trend.
IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
October 29 2013 14:16 GMT
#58
I wish I had half the willpower of Polt.
Life | Ryung | Mvp | MarineKing | Jaedong | Bisu | HerO
ggofthejungle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania392 Posts
October 29 2013 14:26 GMT
#59
Wait, let me get this straight. He takes 18hrs of English every week? He only studies English, that's it? No other subject? Not to take anything from polt, but having just one subject to study (even 18hrs) is not that hard, and that's why he says so. It's a foreign language, not rocket science, you know?
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
October 29 2013 14:27 GMT
#60
Most students only take 18 hours there? damn. Still very impressive of Polt of course.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 29 2013 14:31 GMT
#61
I don't recall ever exceeding 20 hours of classes in university. My MBA program was only 8 hours a week. More than 20 hours of lecture sounds like an extension of high school.
btp
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada6 Posts
October 29 2013 14:35 GMT
#62
i bugged hero while he smoked and shared a couple words with him, his english is very good!
NihilisticGod
Profile Joined March 2011
Northern Ireland174 Posts
October 29 2013 14:40 GMT
#63
Maybe Polt, being master of the Terran race, has an endless supply of Stimpacks to help him with such little sleep
Too weird to live... too rare to die.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
October 29 2013 14:45 GMT
#64
On October 29 2013 16:14 Waxangel wrote:
More videos to come!


When will more videos come? Almost everyone that follows the SC2 scene knows HerO and Polt have great English... The other Koreans (other than MC and Jaedong) still need to prove themselves. D:
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 15:02:54
October 29 2013 14:55 GMT
#65
On October 29 2013 22:53 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 16:54 Oriatis wrote:
Awesome interviews! Thanks for your effort!
The Polt interview somehow gets you motivated: just because you start working doesn't mean that you have to give
up your dreams!
hwaitiiing!


Well you do have to give up your sleep apparently, which reasonable people don't want to do.


It may also have a bad effect on your health in the long run.

On October 29 2013 23:26 ggofthejungle wrote:
Wait, let me get this straight. He takes 18hrs of English every week? He only studies English, that's it? No other subject? Not to take anything from polt, but having just one subject to study (even 18hrs) is not that hard, and that's why he says so. It's a foreign language, not rocket science, you know?


True but we don't know if he has a lot of vocabulary and essays to write. E.g. when I was in a language intensive high school, the 1st year was rough. We often had 50-100 words per day or every other day. This and dictation are terrible if you're not consistent. Studying grammar was also a requirement.
GZSwanson
Profile Joined June 2013
Canada25 Posts
October 29 2013 14:58 GMT
#66
wax is a boss - pleasure to meet you this weekend (monk too ^_^)
Generally always 90% of the time DTs are a good idea
Maegi
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland174 Posts
October 29 2013 15:03 GMT
#67
wow hero actually has really good english
NaNiwa <3
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
October 29 2013 15:11 GMT
#68
18 hours a week?? Man I would kill for university like that I do 29 -_/
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
October 29 2013 15:13 GMT
#69
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 29 2013 15:13 GMT
#70
It's great to see this. I really hope more Koreans follow it's so good.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 29 2013 15:16 GMT
#71
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?

Well for one a progamer from any country outside of Korea has to speak English to practice with his peers. I used to chat in English 100% of the time when I was practicing. Compare this to the Koreans who have to speak Korean to get the best practice. Huge difference right there.
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mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
October 29 2013 15:26 GMT
#72
On October 30 2013 00:16 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?

Well for one a progamer from any country outside of Korea has to speak English to practice with his peers. I used to chat in English 100% of the time when I was practicing. Compare this to the Koreans who have to speak Korean to get the best practice. Huge difference right there.

True, but I think school and other media play a bigger role in learning a language. I remember someone saying that for example the reason why Germany was slow in having English being widely spoken was because every movie, tv series, and book which would be a major international release, would be translated or dubbed in German. Being exposed to any language from a young age is vital in order to become fluent in the language.

ToD also did not speak English in his early WC3 days if I recall correctly, and nowadays, he's one of the very best English casters.

Hopefully more people follow MC's example.
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Tru_m4n
Profile Joined September 2009
162 Posts
October 29 2013 15:28 GMT
#73
Maybe it's just me but I think it gives a bit of a bad impression when the inverviewer talks really fast or use uncommon words that may be difficult for the koreans (and others too) to understand. I've seen this a lot when I lived in Taiwan, many native english-speakers doesn't seem to care if the person they're talking to understands them or not. Personally I try to adjust my english to the same level of the person I'm talking to, so I use a more simple language when I talk to people whose english is not that good. Not saying that the interviews should be in baby language, but it would look better if they were a bit slow-paced and relaxed imo. No offense meant to wax or polt/hero, just my 2 cents.

Still, interesting interviews. Polt is a boss for studying and being this good at SC2 at the same time... I can't even do one of those things
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Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
October 29 2013 15:29 GMT
#74
wow hero can use the past tense i'm impressed! he could do interviews in english
GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
October 29 2013 15:48 GMT
#75
Man, those guys are champs. Speaking in your non-native language is hard enough, but doing it on the spot in front of a camera is insane. I've taken a lot of foreign language classes, and even when I'd feel relatively confident with the material, half of my vocabulary and grammar would fly out of my head the second I was put on the spot for an oral exam or presentation. So impressed with both Polt and Hero.

Also, I'm pretty surprised at the people saying that 18 hours isn't a lot of coursework. That was similar to what I did at my university, and even though I was only in lectures for 18 hours a week, I was still up until the early morning pretty much every day writing papers, doing research, and studying for quizzes/exams. 18 hours of class isn't the same as, say, working a part time job for 18 hours at the grocery store--you're not done and free once you get home. Sure it's possible to have a larger course load, but in my experience, that was definitely enough to fill my entire day with work.

slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
October 29 2013 16:04 GMT
#76
Lol what, I feel like such a terrible student reading these posts. Here at UT Austin you're not even allowed to take more than 17 credit hours/week without applying for approval (http://www.utexas.edu/cola/student-affairs/policies-and-procedures.php#MAXHOURS)...15 hours is considered the average.

Thanks for the interviews! Polt and HerO are so good and so handsome.
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Juicy Orange
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada133 Posts
October 29 2013 16:07 GMT
#77
I would love to see an English Speaking Tourney for KR pro-gamers. It would be hilarious, but a little bit degrading at the same time.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
October 29 2013 16:23 GMT
#78
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?



English is a compulsory subject in korea and we start learning english at an elementary school. A lot of parents send their children to this "english kindergarten" to get them to be used to english from an early age. We also watch shit tons of american movies because its on TV all day every day. I think europeans in general learn english much faster than asians because of grammatical similaritie;just like how koreans excel in japanese,
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33388 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 16:36:55
October 29 2013 16:29 GMT
#79
I find that Koreans are generally better at English than they let on (which is not to say that they are all good), but are really shy about speaking it because they get embarassed about it. HerO in particular has had this level of English for a while, but he just doesn't want to use it in a public setting.

It's a totally different attitude from European pros who don't seem to give a fuck about what other people think about their English. I don't know the reason for this, but the culture surrounding English is pretty different in Korea - people are really self-conscious about not being fluent and it's common to mock people for having bad pronounciation. Videos like the Jaedong "I LOVE YOU AMERICA!" clip get brought up as cringe videos in Korea, which is a complete opposite attitude of the foreign community. I think since Korean players end up reading Korean community sites more, they see those kind of responses and get even more embarassed about using English. Only a few guys like MC (whose technical skill at English is actually not as good as some others, but has way more CONFIDENCE) have figured out that they shouldn't really care about what the Korean community thinks about their English.
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eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
October 29 2013 16:34 GMT
#80
I'm impressed with Polt's mentality but how long will it actually last before he's burned out. Hope he will get his rest after blizzcon and focus only on school while SC2 takes a break for 2014.
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ggofthejungle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania392 Posts
October 29 2013 16:50 GMT
#81
On October 30 2013 00:48 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
Also, I'm pretty surprised at the people saying that 18 hours isn't a lot of coursework. That was similar to what I did at my university, and even though I was only in lectures for 18 hours a week, I was still up until the early morning pretty much every day writing papers, doing research, and studying for quizzes/exams. 18 hours of class isn't the same as, say, working a part time job for 18 hours at the grocery store--you're not done and free once you get home. Sure it's possible to have a larger course load, but in my experience, that was definitely enough to fill my entire day with work.


On October 29 2013 23:31 andrewlt wrote:
I don't recall ever exceeding 20 hours of classes in university. My MBA program was only 8 hours a week. More than 20 hours of lecture sounds like an extension of high school.


Guys, stop comparing your US undergrad/grad courseload to his courseload. He's taking 18 hours of English a week, not 3 hours of English, 3 of Math, 3 of Chemistry, 3 of Physics, and 3 of whatever. Do you see the difference now? He's probably in an ESL program, not an MBA, not an undergraduate level coursework. It's a foreign language that billions speak it. That's why he says it's easy.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
October 29 2013 16:52 GMT
#82
Damn, Polt is a beast, I have no idea how he does it, mad props to him, respect level trough the roof now.

Willpower is really an amazing thing.
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True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 17:05:30
October 29 2013 16:59 GMT
#83
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
October 29 2013 17:07 GMT
#84
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.


Well, 18 hours means 18 hours of lecture or class. It is up to students that want success to put in the rest of the hours on their own.
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hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
October 29 2013 17:10 GMT
#85
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.

Undergraduate studies does rock IF you are a native/fluent speaker of English. Polt is not.

Learning English doesn't come easy to many. I look at some of my Chinese friends in law school that continues to struggle with the language, I hope Polt gets truly comfortable with English sooner rather than later so he can get more sleep.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 17:20:24
October 29 2013 17:18 GMT
#86
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is).


For university, it is. When I was in uni, for my major, 16 hours was standard.

I came from the Philippines and it played a huge part of my decision to come to the US instead of studying there. That was back in the early 2000s. The style back then in the Philippines (no idea about now) was very lecture heavy and very much like high school. For example, students in computer science didn't need to program using a computer until their second or maybe even third year. It was all theory and way too many general education classes their first two years.

In contrast, undergrad business school in the US only had 16 hours of lectures per week. Instead, we had a lot of reading, papers, presentations, group projects, filling out spreadsheets, networking and participating in a bunch of organizational behavior studies. The biggest difference was the number of group presentations and group papers, which was heavily emphasized in business school. In talking about credit hours, pretty much only lecture hours count. Lab hours, discussion class hours and the like don't count, even if they are required to pass the class.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 29 2013 17:31 GMT
#87
I do not believe Polt's lies. How much for teaching me your Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, Polt?
MrProdigious
Profile Joined July 2012
36 Posts
October 29 2013 17:34 GMT
#88
Polt is a boss. 18 credits and still that amazing at starcraft. I take 15, barely go, and still can't get masters
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 29 2013 17:35 GMT
#89
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?


Well for people out of the Anglo-sphere, English is useless for day-to-day living so I don't know what kind of assertion you're trying to make with globalization and the English language. There are even millions of Americans in the United States who can't speak English at a basic level to the extent that the government has translations offered for important messages (I'm talking about the Hispanics).
Of course if you're a pro-gamer, English is the go-to language but out of that, I don't get your point. English in Korea is like French or Spanish in the United States.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 29 2013 17:38 GMT
#90
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.


20 credits a week is standard in the top universities of America, so I guess the world's educated elites are living under a rock. Don't kid yourself. There's more to university than the number of hours you spend in a lecture.
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2953 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 17:42:19
October 29 2013 17:38 GMT
#91
On October 29 2013 16:30 Musicus wrote:
Man that's really good english from HerO, he uses tenses correctly too, keep it up!


Well, I think that's a common "phenomenon" among Asian people: They don't really talk in English. They might know the grammar quite well, but they're not used to talking in English at all.

... At least that's what some Japanese people told me :-P
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 29 2013 17:39 GMT
#92
Polt <3
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Iceman331
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1306 Posts
October 29 2013 17:44 GMT
#93
On October 30 2013 02:38 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.


20 credits a week is standard in the top universities of America, so I guess the world's educated elites are living under a rock. Don't kid yourself. There's more to university than the number of hours you spend in a lecture.


No, 20 credits a week is not standard. 18 is actually the maximum you are allowed at a lot of institutions (without special permission and/or paying more), although 21 is more common I believe. Most students take 15 or so though. "Standard" workload is considered 3 hours of out of class work per credit hour, so a 15 hour load is 60 hours a week.

Bottom line is, 18 hours is a LOT of work. I have done it 2-3 times, and there are a lot of sleepless nights involved in doing so. Bottom line is, what Polt is doing takes an enormous amount of commitment, and is very impressive in my mind.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
October 29 2013 18:19 GMT
#94
i rly feel alot koreans just get the "extra" with the commentator and look at hero ^^ he rly dont need one
he speak better then alot eastern europeans
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Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
October 29 2013 19:39 GMT
#95
On October 30 2013 01:29 Waxangel wrote:Videos like the Jaedong "I LOVE YOU AMERICA!" clip get brought up as cringe videos in Korea,

If you ever see a forum post on Korean forums about these videos being ridiculed, could you link it all over TL please?

A few dozen fanboy posts about how awesome it is that Korean players speak even a bit of English could start changing their mindset
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Penguinator
Profile Joined December 2010
United States837 Posts
October 29 2013 19:52 GMT
#96
Waxangel: "People need time to do other stuff, to unwind, to have fun."
Polt: "Ah, I'm having fun with my job!"

Wow, what a great attitude :')
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
October 29 2013 20:08 GMT
#97
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Moonsalt
Profile Joined May 2011
267 Posts
October 29 2013 20:12 GMT
#98
Hero is pretty good :O
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
October 29 2013 20:43 GMT
#99
Damn, Wax great job on losing weight. More like Munchlax now.
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 21:06:02
October 29 2013 20:51 GMT
#100
On October 30 2013 01:23 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?



English is a compulsory subject in korea and we start learning english at an elementary school. A lot of parents send their children to this "english kindergarten" to get them to be used to english from an early age. We also watch shit tons of american movies because its on TV all day every day. I think europeans in general learn english much faster than asians because of grammatical similaritie;just like how koreans excel in japanese,

Not all languages are grammatically similar to English, to be honest. I'd even go as far as saying that in Europe, few languages are. Even in its own language category, the germanic languages, English kind of stands out among the rest compared to Dutch, German, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian, which are remarkably similar in terms of vocabulary and grammar.

It's also a myth that Europeans are generally good speakers of English though. Good luck getting around Spain, France, Italy or most of Eastern Europe with only English.

On October 30 2013 02:35 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?


Well for people out of the Anglo-sphere, English is useless for day-to-day living so I don't know what kind of assertion you're trying to make with globalization and the English language. There are even millions of Americans in the United States who can't speak English at a basic level to the extent that the government has translations offered for important messages (I'm talking about the Hispanics).
Of course if you're a pro-gamer, English is the go-to language but out of that, I don't get your point. English in Korea is like French or Spanish in the United States.


Thing is, nowadays noone is out of the anglosphere, especially not in developed or developing countries. English is the lingua franca of our time, not having some degree of fluency in it will handicap you. South Korea has a lot of international trade going on so I can't imagine a good command of English not being important for professionals. Besides, I recall having read somewhere that English teachers are in high-demand in South Korea (I think it was in one of Khaldor's videoblogs, but I'm not sure).

In my experience, foreign language education is most behind in countries that are irrationally chauvinistic about their own language and culture and view others as inferior or intrusive (above countries fit in that category).
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 29 2013 21:05 GMT
#101
polt is so fucking boss
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dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
October 29 2013 21:36 GMT
#102
You're happy because a bunch of Koreans are able ton speak english.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 22:01:50
October 29 2013 21:59 GMT
#103
On October 29 2013 16:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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On October 29 2013 16:30 Heyoka wrote:
You will notice the camera starts to shake after Polt explains how easy it is to take 18 credit hours and win WCS America back to back and that's because I couldn't stop laughing at how goddamn nonchalant he is about not sleeping, as if everyone does that and it's the most straight forward and easy decision to make.


#NoSleepTillGM

Polt is really making a case for the Asian student stereotype.

Ya... Polt just made me feel like I'm a loser. I have 12 to 15 hours of school each week, and I get what I consider to be bad marks. And I don't even have a job anymore, let alone having a career as a part time progamer like Polt. GO POLT! Keep it up, but don't get sick and let your health suffer!

On October 30 2013 01:50 ggofthejungle wrote:
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On October 30 2013 00:48 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
Also, I'm pretty surprised at the people saying that 18 hours isn't a lot of coursework. That was similar to what I did at my university, and even though I was only in lectures for 18 hours a week, I was still up until the early morning pretty much every day writing papers, doing research, and studying for quizzes/exams. 18 hours of class isn't the same as, say, working a part time job for 18 hours at the grocery store--you're not done and free once you get home. Sure it's possible to have a larger course load, but in my experience, that was definitely enough to fill my entire day with work.


Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 23:31 andrewlt wrote:
I don't recall ever exceeding 20 hours of classes in university. My MBA program was only 8 hours a week. More than 20 hours of lecture sounds like an extension of high school.


Guys, stop comparing your US undergrad/grad courseload to his courseload. He's taking 18 hours of English a week, not 3 hours of English, 3 of Math, 3 of Chemistry, 3 of Physics, and 3 of whatever. Do you see the difference now? He's probably in an ESL program, not an MBA, not an undergraduate level coursework. It's a foreign language that billions speak it. That's why he says it's easy.

That is true but it doesn't change the fact that he has 18 hours of classes per week. Assuming the usual 3 hours of lecture per class, that means he has 6 classes each week and different assignments, readings, and midterms to do and prepare for.

HerO's English is pretty good. Keep it up HerO!
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 29 2013 22:03 GMT
#104
On October 30 2013 06:36 dafunk wrote:
You're happy because a bunch of Koreans are able ton speak english.
wow

Yea, it shows that Korean pros want to engage their English speaking fans, making being their fan more enjoyable because now its more of a two way exchange. Dont be salty because the French lost to the English in the game of languages.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
October 29 2013 22:05 GMT
#105
On October 30 2013 06:36 dafunk wrote:
You're happy because a bunch of Koreans are able ton speak english.
wow

English is a useful skill ton have ^^
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 29 2013 22:09 GMT
#106
On October 30 2013 06:36 dafunk wrote:
You're happy because a bunch of Koreans are able ton speak english.
wow

Go ahead and learn Korean while juggling time-consuming practice and university studies. You'd be fluent in a year no problem
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 29 2013 22:16 GMT
#107
On October 30 2013 07:09 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 06:36 dafunk wrote:
You're happy because a bunch of Koreans are able ton speak english.
wow

Go ahead and learn Korean while juggling time-consuming practice and university studies. You'd be fluent in a year no problem


But what if he already knew the basics of the language and the university studies was focused on it? I believe in you, dafunk.
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Holloworb
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway345 Posts
October 29 2013 22:34 GMT
#108
Please do more english interviews HerO!

Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 22:44:14
October 29 2013 22:36 GMT
#109
On October 30 2013 07:09 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 06:36 dafunk wrote:
You're happy because a bunch of Koreans are able ton speak english.
wow

Go ahead and learn Korean while juggling time-consuming practice and university studies. You'd be fluent in a year no problem


Keep in mind though that his university studies is all about learning english. It is impressive that Polt is still a succesful progamer while attending school, but in all honesty we don't know neither how heavy to workload is, nor how well he is doing.

Also i think people need to stop comparing English to Korean or Chinese. English is by far the most widely spoken language. There is no comparison.
sjh
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada136 Posts
October 29 2013 22:48 GMT
#110
On October 30 2013 07:36 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 07:09 Zealously wrote:
On October 30 2013 06:36 dafunk wrote:
You're happy because a bunch of Koreans are able ton speak english.
wow

Go ahead and learn Korean while juggling time-consuming practice and university studies. You'd be fluent in a year no problem


Keep in mind though that his university studies is all about learning English. It is impressive that Polt is still a succesful progamer while attending school, but in all honesty we don't know neither how heavy to workload is, nor how well he is doing.

Also i think people need to stop comparing English to Korean or Chinese. English is by far the most widely spoken language. There is no comparison.


This is far from clear. For instance this wikipedia page ranks English as second (behind Standard Chinese) in terms of native speakers + secondary speakers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers


If we look at just native speakers English ranks third (behind Mandarin and Spanish): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
October 29 2013 22:49 GMT
#111
i love hero and polt T_T
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
October 29 2013 23:06 GMT
#112
On October 30 2013 07:48 sjh wrote:
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On October 30 2013 07:36 Prog455 wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:09 Zealously wrote:
On October 30 2013 06:36 dafunk wrote:
You're happy because a bunch of Koreans are able ton speak english.
wow

Go ahead and learn Korean while juggling time-consuming practice and university studies. You'd be fluent in a year no problem


Keep in mind though that his university studies is all about learning English. It is impressive that Polt is still a succesful progamer while attending school, but in all honesty we don't know neither how heavy to workload is, nor how well he is doing.

Also i think people need to stop comparing English to Korean or Chinese. English is by far the most widely spoken language. There is no comparison.


This is far from clear. For instance this wikipedia page ranks English as second (behind Standard Chinese) in terms of native speakers + secondary speakers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers


If we look at just native speakers English ranks third (behind Mandarin and Spanish): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers


I know that a lot of people like to think that Chinese is just Chinese. It is, however, not quite so. I recently read an article claming that as many as 400 million Chinese didn't speak the official Chinese. Furthermore Chinese is still not widely spoken outside of China, where as English is spoken all around the world. English is for instance the second most spoken language in India, the second largest country in the world in terms of population.

Also you might want to read the article you refer to. It actually says that English is the most widely spoken langauge in the world, with about 1.5 to 1.8 billion speakers, where as Standard Chinese only amounts to 1.3 billion, even though the actual amount of speakers of the same language is indeed lower.

If you want to count Chinese as one language you might aswell just go ahead and consider European languages as one, that being English, German, Nordic, French, Spanish, Italian, Portugese and so on. Furthermore it should be noted that English is a part of the Indo-European language family, that does indeed have approximately 3 billion native speakers
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
October 29 2013 23:10 GMT
#113
On October 29 2013 19:08 Coolhwip wrote:
is 18 hours a week full time? In sweden 40 hours is full time :/


I think credit hours work differently, in the US and probably Canada 18 hours means 18 hours of lecture, and then 2-3 hours of studying/homework per hour of lecture.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 23:26:33
October 29 2013 23:12 GMT
#114
Wasn't really able to catch many WCS games lately due to work, but glad to see Polt is doing well in school and in-game.

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I won't say 18 hours isn't a lot of class time because it really does depend on a lot of things as people have already mentioned, but I was kind of hoping he would have elaborated more and said how much time he spends working on school-related stuff. I had maybe 6~ish hours of lecture time 5 days a week and spent another 2-3 hours doing homework/labs/studying. Anyways, yeah it sounds kind of silly to say he goes to school "full-time" when there's no further elaboration on the total time.

edit: although obviously it would still be immensely hard to win WCS even as a part-time student.
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
October 29 2013 23:13 GMT
#115
On October 30 2013 07:48 sjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 07:36 Prog455 wrote:
On October 30 2013 07:09 Zealously wrote:
On October 30 2013 06:36 dafunk wrote:
You're happy because a bunch of Koreans are able ton speak english.
wow

Go ahead and learn Korean while juggling time-consuming practice and university studies. You'd be fluent in a year no problem


Keep in mind though that his university studies is all about learning English. It is impressive that Polt is still a succesful progamer while attending school, but in all honesty we don't know neither how heavy to workload is, nor how well he is doing.

Also i think people need to stop comparing English to Korean or Chinese. English is by far the most widely spoken language. There is no comparison.


This is far from clear. For instance this wikipedia page ranks English as second (behind Standard Chinese) in terms of native speakers + secondary speakers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers


If we look at just native speakers English ranks third (behind Mandarin and Spanish): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

Note the term "widely". Mandarin is spoken by a shitload of people but all in one place. English on the other hand is a commonly spoken and understood language all over the place, and English media gets around pretty much everywhere except North Korea.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 29 2013 23:24 GMT
#116
On October 30 2013 08:10 Cheren wrote:
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On October 29 2013 19:08 Coolhwip wrote:
is 18 hours a week full time? In sweden 40 hours is full time :/


I think credit hours work differently, in the US and probably Canada 18 hours means 18 hours of lecture, and then 2-3 hours of studying/homework per hour of lecture.


Assuming it's something like what we have in Australia. At the college I teach, we only have 3 hours face to face time for any given subject/unit. However we expect a workload of something like 9 hours per week per unit. Meaning a full time student may only have 12 hours face to face, but they are expected to do 36 hours of work with assessments and study.

Of course it's different for different institutions and levels of qualification. But obviously it's probably a bit different around the world.
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Maur
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain63 Posts
October 29 2013 23:27 GMT
#117
On October 30 2013 08:10 Cheren wrote:
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On October 29 2013 19:08 Coolhwip wrote:
is 18 hours a week full time? In sweden 40 hours is full time :/


I think credit hours work differently, in the US and probably Canada 18 hours means 18 hours of lecture, and then 2-3 hours of studying/homework per hour of lecture.


Well, first year computer science in my uni means 24 hours/week of lectures. Don't know how many hours are we supposed to study at home tbh
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
October 29 2013 23:49 GMT
#118
dude, no bullshit. Heros English is very good O.O
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Challengerr
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada20 Posts
October 29 2013 23:55 GMT
#119
Polt does this all on 4-8 hours of sleep? Literally a machine, holy shit.
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
October 30 2013 00:03 GMT
#120
I cant even get a 4.0 with 17 credit hours in engineering -.- HOW DOES POLT DO IT
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
October 30 2013 00:55 GMT
#121
On October 29 2013 19:32 Zealously wrote:
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On October 29 2013 19:08 Coolhwip wrote:
is 18 hours a week full time? In sweden 40 hours is full time :/


You don't have 40 hours of lectures a week though, do you?



None this week due to exams, but I have 15*2 = 30 hours next week
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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
October 30 2013 01:19 GMT
#122
On October 30 2013 00:13 mikkmagro wrote:
I still find it pretty weird that youngsters in a country which is pretty open to globalisation still struggle so much with English. It used to be that you'd go to Spain, Portugal, France or Italy, and no one would speak to you in English, but nowadays most young people do (people over 30/35 in continental Europe still often don't speak English from my experience). Most pro-gamers from Europe and SEA have a very good command of English except for a few Russians though they can still speak it well. Don't Koreans learn English in school, do they just learn Korean, or do they perhaps learn a different language?

Im half german and most of my cousins dont speak english. They didnt go to university though but are in trades like one is a mason one drives a big truck. Ones that went to university do. Just depends I think on education track.
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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
October 30 2013 01:25 GMT
#123
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.

actually 12 hours is considered full time to get all student loans and grants. We used to have higher standards but we keep lowering them.Like when my dad went 15 was full time. When his dad went 21 was.
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
October 30 2013 01:50 GMT
#124
I don't know if this has been pointed out but 18 credits doesn't necessarily equal 18 hours for most. For example science classes tend to have 3 1 hour lectures + a 3 hour lab while only being worth 4 credits. Some language classes I took were like that as well. For first semester Japanese I had 3 1 hour lectures and then there was a required 2 days a week you would go to a smaller group with a tutor for 1.5 hours. 6 hours total for 4 credits.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 01:56:37
October 30 2013 01:53 GMT
#125
I was accounting major only had one or two labs as a freshmen. 18 hours was 18 hours. Never did homework never bought books. In general school was just partying and cakewalk I dont think is replicated abroad.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 30 2013 02:05 GMT
#126
I'm at a Canadian university and we have about 12~20-ish hours of class a week but then there is lab time, tutorial time, and time for brutal homework assignments that's not counted. The 18 hours is probably just lectures.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44319 Posts
October 30 2013 03:06 GMT
#127
Still have Polt >> MC > Hero, but glad to see Hero is practicing ^^
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44319 Posts
October 30 2013 03:23 GMT
#128
On October 30 2013 10:25 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 01:59 True_Spike wrote:
18 hours a week is considered "full time" all across America? Being a student there must rock. I don't mean to be condescending, it just seems very weird that nobody takes things like this into consideration when comparing our educational system with yours (in my country, that is). Depending on your field and year (workload tends to differ from one year to the next) it's not uncommon to have to do upwards 25-30 hours a week here (students don't get a say in this) - and in most cases that's just a waste of time, I feel.

actually 12 hours is considered full time to get all student loans and grants. We used to have higher standards but we keep lowering them.Like when my dad went 15 was full time. When his dad went 21 was.


12 credits is considered full time for most undergraduate loans, but that doesn't equate to 12 hours of working on school work... just (usually) 12 hours of sitting in weekly lectures.

Generally, for every 1 credit that your class is worth, you're *supposed* to be assigned 2-4 additional hours of related outside work per week. So for a 3 credit class, you should be doing an additional 6-12 hours of coursework outside of your lecture. Adding these 6-12 hours to the original 3 hours of weekly lectures gives you 9-15 hours per week spent on a single course. If you're a full time student taking 4 courses, then 9-15 quadruples to give you roughly 36-60 hours spent per week (including both lecture time and outside work, like homework and studying).

Obviously, some professors and majors will force you to commit far more or far less time than expected, but it's supposed to be set up so that a full-time student works about as much, per week, as an employee at a full-time job.
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ladysman09
Profile Joined June 2013
237 Posts
October 30 2013 07:33 GMT
#129
No MC?
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 07:58:10
October 30 2013 07:57 GMT
#130
Something about Hero's english makes it seem more "natural" than Polt's to me, not sure why. Maybe it's Polt's accent. I could totally see Hero being very fluent with a bit more experience and confidence. Both are awesome, though.

Gravesong
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States96 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 09:30:53
October 30 2013 09:30 GMT
#131
On October 30 2013 16:57 AxionSteel wrote:
Something about Hero's english makes it seem more "natural" than Polt's to me, not sure why. Maybe it's Polt's accent. I could totally see Hero being very fluent with a bit more experience and confidence. Both are awesome, though.



Hero seems to be very thoughtful when considering structure as well as verb tense. It seems he'd rather not say anything than say it incorrectly. Regardless, I'm pretty impressed with both of their English skills. And geez, Polt makes me feel like I just need to go and be productive somehow.

Thanks for these!
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
October 30 2013 10:24 GMT
#132
So, where's the other interviews?
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 30 2013 13:28 GMT
#133
On October 30 2013 18:30 Gravesong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 16:57 AxionSteel wrote:
Something about Hero's english makes it seem more "natural" than Polt's to me, not sure why. Maybe it's Polt's accent. I could totally see Hero being very fluent with a bit more experience and confidence. Both are awesome, though.



Hero seems to be very thoughtful when considering structure as well as verb tense. It seems he'd rather not say anything than say it incorrectly. Regardless, I'm pretty impressed with both of their English skills. And geez, Polt makes me feel like I just need to go and be productive somehow.

Thanks for these!

Yeah pretty sure HerO doesn't have as much English confidence as he should. And he's embarrassed about the thought of saying something wrong haha.

Polt just doesn't give a fuck! Loved both interviews.
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forsteri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3 Posts
October 30 2013 14:59 GMT
#134
Awesome videos, Waxangel. Thank you.
Hero, your English is so good! Us fans really enjoy when you speak it. Keep up the good work.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
October 30 2013 19:59 GMT
#135
Polt number one in English by far... In an old interview with Artosis, Polt stated it was his dream to become a Bonjwa in SC2.. I guess he never thought he would become an English Bonjwa.
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Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 20:59:22
October 30 2013 20:54 GMT
#136
On October 30 2013 10:53 tdt wrote:
I was accounting major only had one or two labs as a freshmen. 18 hours was 18 hours. Never did homework never bought books. In general school was just partying and cakewalk I dont think is replicated abroad.


Obviously depends on the university and your major. In the US especially, there is a huge range in quality of education from secondary institutions. A uni like Cornell is notorious for being a place where engineering majors are left to die. I knew of guys who were extremely bright in highschool (national merit finalists, international math olympiad members, etc.) who only took the standard courseload (16 hours a week), but had to basically pull all-nighters in the library every other day and still barely managed to graduate with over a 3.0 GPA. This basically translated to over 100 hours a week of studying for some of the smartest people I know, and still not being able to ace the classes. Of course, a 3.0 in the engineering school at Cornell is like a 4.0 everywhere else.

Polt goes to the Uni of Texas at Austin, which is quite a solid and well-known school.
Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1238 Posts
October 30 2013 22:36 GMT
#137
On October 29 2013 16:52 GTR wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ-y-PU-dX4

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Fliparoni
Profile Joined February 2012
205 Posts
October 30 2013 22:36 GMT
#138
Not too bad but Select and and to an extent Violet when he was living in Texas are still the top 2 Koreans when it comes to English speaking skills
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 30 2013 22:39 GMT
#139
On October 31 2013 07:36 Fliparoni wrote:
Not too bad but Select and and to an extent Violet when he was living in Texas are still the top 2 Koreans when it comes to English speaking skills

Yeah but SeleCT and Violet both lived in the US for a loooooonnnnnnngggggggg time.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 30 2013 22:39 GMT
#140
BTW by "More videos to come" did you mean the other interviews you posted, or more Korean players doing English interviews?
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Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
October 31 2013 12:20 GMT
#141
Polt appears to perfectly fit a definition of awesome. They should take his picture and put it in the dictionary.
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