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It really is nothing new though. We like to do a lot of fun bets on the side from time to time.
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On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small  you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok.
We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them.
Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic.
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On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok.
I agree it's a gray area, but I think in the end it's a good thing. Anything that encourages better games is good, and anything that discourages better games is bad. I don't really see it much different than a team paying a player bonuses for succeeding. Sure naniwa has something to directly gain here so you have to step back and think about it, but so do teams when they offer incentives for winning matches.
So naniwa has encouraged better games, AND we get some awesome drama leading into blizzcon. Win win IMO.
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Why are people getting so riled up over something that was more then likely a joke?
This reminds me of why I hate the SC2 community at times, a small joke which is meant to be funny gets everyone riled up with pitchforks ready for a witch hunt.
Revival even responded in a joking way to Naniwas "hit". Some of you guys really need to calm down and just enjoy the communication from the professional players.
Oh well I won't stop people from arguing endlessly for no point other then to prove "I'm right and you're wrong"
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Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
If NaNiwa is joking about this, then it's pretty funny.
If NaNiwa is not joking about this, then I feel bad for Revival.
Since it's NaNiwa... We will never know...
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does both john snow and select need to beat revival? or just one out of the two?
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On October 29 2013 12:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them. Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic.
Pretty sure Martijn is just trolling, especially with the "If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with?" Obviously a joke...
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
While I agree that it is a grey area, I am ok with this.
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On October 29 2013 12:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them. Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic.
That's the thing, this is nothing like prize money. Prize money gives all players an equal incentive to do well. This bounty gives players an incentive to target Revival specifically.
As for the second point. In the same world where a player would rather have $600 than $500 and if that player thinks he can force the third party to cough that up, why not? Apparently we're ok with that right?
We have to be very careful.
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On October 29 2013 12:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:11 Plansix wrote:On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them. Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic. Pretty sure Martijn is just trolling, especially with the "If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with?" Obviously a joke...
Assuming this offer is real. Do you think Nani is offering $500 to hype up WCS or because he wants people to put more effort into taking out Revival?
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On October 29 2013 12:20 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:11 Plansix wrote:On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them. Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic. That's the thing, this is nothing like prize money. Prize money gives all players an equal incentive to do well. This bounty gives players an incentive to target Revival specifically. As for the second point. In the same world where a player would rather have $600 than $500 and if that player thinks he can force the third party to cough that up, why not? Apparently we're ok with that right? We have to be very careful.
Wow you guys are crazy. What fantasy mafia world do you believe in where this happens. Oh, a player tries to extort Naniwa? Then they get exposed, burned publicly and can never play in a tournament ever again. When would this ever happen?
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On October 29 2013 12:20 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:11 Plansix wrote:On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them. Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic. That's the thing, this is nothing like prize money. Prize money gives all players an equal incentive to do well. This bounty gives players an incentive to target Revival specifically. As for the second point. In the same world where a player would rather have $600 than $500 and if that player thinks he can force the third party to cough that up, why not? Apparently we're ok with that right? We have to be very careful.
Really? So you can imagine a world where Select, who is already the underdog against Revival, thinks he can negotiate extra incentive for a match he's not expected to win, and threaten to throw a game if he's not offered an extra $100?
What's his threat supposed to be? "You put up $500 so I try my best. Too bad, I want $600, so I'm gonna half-ass my match until I get it."
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Question:
Will Blizzard/Alliance/EG pay for Revival/Naniwa's flight to and accommodations at Blizzcon?
If they have to pay their own way, then that seems extremely uncool. Revival/Naniwa would be taking a big financial risk by paying their own way. Blizzard/Alliance/EG must surely be paying for the trip, right?
Just curious.
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On October 29 2013 12:25 lemmata wrote:
Question:
Will Blizzard/Alliance/EG pay for Revival/Naniwa's flight to and accommodations at Blizzcon?
If they have to pay their own way, then that seems extremely uncool. Revival/Naniwa would be taking a big financial risk by paying their own way. Blizzard/Alliance/EG must surely be paying for the trip, right?
Just curious.
EG pays travel/accommodation for everything. Not sure if Blizzard pays travel expenses, but they probably do (up to a limit).
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As long as he doesn't pay the money to Revival I don't think it's a big deal.
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On October 29 2013 12:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:20 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 12:11 Plansix wrote:On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them. Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic. That's the thing, this is nothing like prize money. Prize money gives all players an equal incentive to do well. This bounty gives players an incentive to target Revival specifically. As for the second point. In the same world where a player would rather have $600 than $500 and if that player thinks he can force the third party to cough that up, why not? Apparently we're ok with that right? We have to be very careful. Wow you guys are crazy. What fantasy mafia world do you believe in where this happens. Oh, a player tries to extort Naniwa? Then they get exposed, burned publicly and can never play in a tournament ever again. When would this ever happen?
I mean, if a true naniwa fan wanted to help him out, he could hurt revival's fingers somehow when he 'gets his autograph and shakes his hand' just saying
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On October 29 2013 12:32 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:On October 29 2013 12:20 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 12:11 Plansix wrote:On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them. Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic. That's the thing, this is nothing like prize money. Prize money gives all players an equal incentive to do well. This bounty gives players an incentive to target Revival specifically. As for the second point. In the same world where a player would rather have $600 than $500 and if that player thinks he can force the third party to cough that up, why not? Apparently we're ok with that right? We have to be very careful. Wow you guys are crazy. What fantasy mafia world do you believe in where this happens. Oh, a player tries to extort Naniwa? Then they get exposed, burned publicly and can never play in a tournament ever again. When would this ever happen? I mean, if a true naniwa fan wanted to help him out, he could hurt revival's fingers somehow when he 'gets his autograph and shakes his hand' just saying
This is getting ridiculous now. :o
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Hilarious thing is that everyone here seems to forget that they're on the same team...technically.
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On October 29 2013 12:22 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 29 2013 12:11 Plansix wrote:On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them. Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic. Pretty sure Martijn is just trolling, especially with the "If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with?" Obviously a joke... Assuming this offer is real. Do you think Nani is offering $500 to hype up WCS or because he wants people to put more effort into taking out Revival?
First of all, the offer doesn't have to be real. It could be a joke. Naniwa's joked about things in the past.
Second, who cares if he's serious? *Even if* Revival's opponents weren't planning on taking their games against Revival seriously (unjustified assumption) and *even if* they now try *extra hard* to win (again, unjustified), so what? All that means is that we see the best games possible, with more players who all have an incentive to win (Revival to move on to face Naniwa, and Revival's opponents to win a few hundred dollars from Naniwa). Boo hoo, someone made a bet.
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On October 29 2013 12:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 12:20 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 12:11 Plansix wrote:On October 29 2013 12:00 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote:On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote:On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote:Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$? Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. We already do that, its called prize money. I also don't work very hard unless I am paid. I know its weird, but professional sports pay money of some sorts. That's why they are called professional sports, because they are paid to play them. Also, in what world would Select throw a game because Nani refused to give him $600 and only offered $500? That's giving up the change of free money for no reason, which is beyond unrealistic. That's the thing, this is nothing like prize money. Prize money gives all players an equal incentive to do well. This bounty gives players an incentive to target Revival specifically. As for the second point. In the same world where a player would rather have $600 than $500 and if that player thinks he can force the third party to cough that up, why not? Apparently we're ok with that right? We have to be very careful. Wow you guys are crazy. What fantasy mafia world do you believe in where this happens. Oh, a player tries to extort Naniwa? Then they get exposed, burned publicly and can never play in a tournament ever again. When would this ever happen?
TB, your using logic against people who have quit using it cold turkey. You can't just expect them to start back up again.
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