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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On October 29 2013 10:50 iLevitate wrote: Revival's response : @EGRevival: @NaNiwaSC2 Oh... 500$? really too small  you need more reward um...maybe 5000$? or 10000$?Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. | ||
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Iceman331
United States1306 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 29 2013 10:52 Martijn wrote: Oh shit, that counter! Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 17s @EGRevival :D so greedy......... It's a good thing Revival has a good sense of humor about all this, because this is definitely a gray area at best.. Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm | ||
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
I actually had no idea that Nani could still not make it to Blizzcon but now I know. Nani's move has ensured that a match that was destined to be high pressure and well viewed will be higher pressure and even better viewed. Props to him. | ||
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DethAdder
United States164 Posts
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
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HotGlueGun
United States1409 Posts
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WetSocks
United States953 Posts
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Rad
United States935 Posts
Mmmmm this drama, it's delicious. I fully support this. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On October 29 2013 11:09 Green_25 wrote: I doubt Revival cares, after all this stuff has been happening in GSL for years Judging from his reaction, it looks like Revival was quite offended. $500 is a paltry bounty. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Incand
143 Posts
Personaly I think it's a great thing. We want the best matches possible and more incentative is only positive for getting better matches. Naniwa's own motivation for offering the bounty is completely irrelevant. That's why i say it doesn't make sense to have rules against it. You are free to offer how many incentitives you want .. as long as you don't "benefit" from it?? Or is it simply because naniwa got conflicting interests? So do the teams of the players in revivals group. But no one is giving away any money for free, there is always a calculated reward even if not monetary. I read through every post in this thread and from what i can see it's one idealist arguing against it.. and every form of competition with money as a motivation afaik. Well the world doesn't work like that and there's not even anything bad about it. There's no altruism anywhere but that doesn't mean caring about something/someone is less real simply because we get get something out of it which is the reason we care in the first place. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46536 Posts
On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote: Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm Yeah there's nothing wrong with this. It's not like Naniwa asked someone to poison or kill Revival so he couldn't play lol | ||
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Walnuts
United States770 Posts
On October 29 2013 11:24 tshi wrote: Revival should offer 51 dollars or something to the person who he plays so that he can win, like Savior or something. Who was a bonjwa right? Um. I don't think it worked quite like that. | ||
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goody153
44309 Posts
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Paragleiber
413 Posts
On October 29 2013 08:20 mikumegurine wrote: 1. Select 2. Jon Snow 3. Revival 4. Taeja (forfeit) Source for the group and the Taeja forfeit? Liquipedia has no groups so far and it should normally have it if they had already been announced. Personally I think it would be pretty unsportsmanlike from both Taeja himself and also Team Liquid (who should be able to make him play) if Taeja forfeited this match, seeing how much it still matters for other players. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On October 29 2013 11:03 Doodsmack wrote: Yeah bro encouraging people to beat Revival has a negative consequence because it gives them an advantage over Revival. Clearly they will try harder than they otherwise would have. /sarcasm That's the worst argument yet. If it wouldn't make a difference, why would he offer the $500 to begin with? This is a gray area because the next step is someone in a similar situation like Revivals groupmates going and asking money from someone in Naniwas position. What if Select said, "make it 600", Nani says no and Select ends up losing? It's a very slippery slope and there should definitely be clear rules governing this kind of thing. What if in one of the other groups there's a similar situation, or next season? What if those players want money to have a "reason to try your best" as Nani puts it too? What if one of the players says "well fuck preparing for my other matches, I'll only focus on Revival now"? This is setting some kind of precedent that you should pay people to actually have them to their best. Bottom line, whenever you're offering bounties our 3rd party players start throwing money at groups to get results they want, you're in a gray area. We have to very carefully look at what IS and ISN'T ok. This is nothing more or less than paying people to take out your competition in tournaments. I'm not even saying this is wrong, but we certainly need to be very careful. Also, let's be very clear that this is different from adding money to the prizepool. All the players in a group should have equal incentive to play. It's not like Revival gets the money otherwise. That's a very clear distinction. | ||
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Splynn
United States225 Posts
And the counter-offer doesn't have to be anything like offering bounties for people to lose (obviously a big no no). But I would really like to see something more like announcing that EG will be paying Revival a per-match victory bounty. Naniwa pays $500 to anyone who can beat Revival, so EG counters by saying they will pay Revival per win. That would create some great hype; every game would be amazing. And if Revival puts together a string of victories, it creates a really awesome dynamic between Revival and Naniwa that transcends the games played. It would really create some fun and entertaining storylines. | ||
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