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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 24 2013 01:14 GMT
#121
Deterioration of gameplay and skill (what you have in the War3 and BW scenes right now) will come when there are no longer any big tournaments going on. Less monetary return will cause players to either retire or (basically) turn into part-time pros (= skill deterioration, but then again you do have part-time players like Polt ...). If the Korean scene crashes, then obviously there will be loads of retirements, but the ones who do stay on will probably be picked up by international teams and sent to tournaments abroad. They'll still try to win, so as long as a handful of good Koreans remains active post-scene-collapse, I don't think the skill level will be irretrievably crippled.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 24 2013 01:14 GMT
#122
On October 24 2013 10:11 Advantageous wrote:
did no one speculate that LG might be making their own team? like Samsung KHAN????????


I feel like if this was the case, LG would have bought out Incredible Miracle's two League of Legends teams like Samsung did with MVP.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 24 2013 01:14 GMT
#123
On October 24 2013 10:11 Advantageous wrote:
did no one speculate that LG might be making their own team? like Samsung KHAN????????


That's really inefficient in multiple ways. IM is already an well established team. Absolutely no reason to throw that partnership away and start from scratch.
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GatsbyTheGreat
Profile Joined October 2013
68 Posts
October 24 2013 01:24 GMT
#124
On October 24 2013 10:00 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 09:46 Xiphos wrote:
On October 24 2013 09:27 Partha wrote:
StarCraft 2 in South Korea is 100% dying. I talked to a friend who owns a franchise of PC BANGS called NETBAR (8 branches in Seoul) and he said once in a blue moon would he see someone playing Starcraft 2. It was so bad that most of the computers that that Starcraft 2 hasn't been patched in months and in some cases a few years.

I have no problem with accepting this and look forward to seeing Starcraft 2 become a more global centric game rather than so Korea-focused.


But will that necessarily be beneficial? As we all know, the highest level of play in SC2 derived from Korean. Majority of the audience only care to see professional games played optimally. W/o a Korean scene, its game over for that type of gameplay thus meaning that the core audience of SC2 would definitely not prefer. This create a drop in viewership, followed by diminishing sponsorship money, later by the incentive to "go pro" at the game, furthering the decrease in gameplay.

When Korean SC2 infrastructure collapse, don't you think for one moment that it is good for the SC2 industry. It is, more or less, the nails in the coffin for the professional scene.

Well, if you want to draw a historical parallel, the Korean scene collapsing in War3 didn't hurt the professional scene all that much.


If WC3 level of professionalism is what SC2 is chasing for, then no worry for at least 5 years.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
October 24 2013 01:31 GMT
#125
On October 24 2013 02:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 02:29 Mairu wrote:
I am sad. Now I can't wear my LG-IM jersey to Blizzcon

Find original IM jersey.

Or get out your Googims hat.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
October 24 2013 01:34 GMT
#126
On October 24 2013 09:27 zezamer wrote:
LG put half a million dollars into sc2 and ditched it once it wasn't "the thing" anymore...

It's almost like a business was acting in its own interests or something.
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 01:57:28
October 24 2013 01:57 GMT
#127
On October 24 2013 10:14 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 10:11 Advantageous wrote:
did no one speculate that LG might be making their own team? like Samsung KHAN????????


I feel like if this was the case, LG would have bought out Incredible Miracle's two League of Legends teams like Samsung did with MVP.

But like people have said previously, IM's LoL teams aren't exactly that great. MVP's buyout by Samsung makes sense because they were one of the few top teams to not have a major sponsor fully backing them.

If LG wishes to make their own LoL team, they might be looking to buy out a stronger team. Though my knowledge of the LoL pro scene is limited, so I can't exactly name any teams they'd be interested in buying out that would be stronger than IM's.
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Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 02:05:01
October 24 2013 02:03 GMT
#128
On October 24 2013 09:56 Partha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 09:46 Xiphos wrote:
On October 24 2013 09:27 Partha wrote:
StarCraft 2 in South Korea is 100% dying. I talked to a friend who owns a franchise of PC BANGS called NETBAR (8 branches in Seoul) and he said once in a blue moon would he see someone playing Starcraft 2. It was so bad that most of the computers that that Starcraft 2 hasn't been patched in months and in some cases a few years.

I have no problem with accepting this and look forward to seeing Starcraft 2 become a more global centric game rather than so Korea-focused.


But will that necessarily be beneficial? As we all know, the highest level of play in SC2 derived from Korean. Majority of the audience only care to see professional games played optimally. W/o a Korean scene, its game over for that type of gameplay thus meaning that the core audience of SC2 would definitely not prefer. This create a drop in viewership, followed by diminishing sponsorship money, later by the incentive to "go pro" at the game, furthering the decrease in gameplay.

When Korean SC2 infrastructure collapse, don't you think for one moment that it is good for the SC2 industry. It is, more or less, the nails in the coffin for the professional scene.


We are only assuming that because we've never giving foreigners a legitimate chance to shoot for the top. When MLG/DH/WCS and other tourneys started flooding in Koreans, of course they were going to win the majority of prize money. They have fucking team houses/coaches/maids/robotsexservants, how are foreigners supposed to compete with that?

If the Korean scene was to shrink dramatically, we will have foreigners who have legit chances at the top 1-3 and thus they will try to improve their play. Legitimate competition= skill rise.


Foreigners have had 3 years to "shoot to the top." A couple got close but none took any major title like gsl. If anything, all that is gonna happen is more exclusivity within the pro scene. Less competitions and only a certain number of spots to compete for to be in those competitions. The game is far from over or dying. This is more of a transformation. It just won't be hip anymore to be part of the sc2 community.
There's no S in KT. :P
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
October 24 2013 02:08 GMT
#129
Real IM fighting! IM forever!
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WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
October 24 2013 02:11 GMT
#130
On October 24 2013 10:14 babylon wrote:
Deterioration of gameplay and skill (what you have in the War3 and BW scenes right now) will come when there are no longer any big tournaments going on.

On the other hand, SC2 teams' management skills were already rock bottom.
Seriously, in which world do you wait months from the legal expiration of a contract to act upon the change?
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 24 2013 02:15 GMT
#131
On October 24 2013 11:03 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 09:56 Partha wrote:
On October 24 2013 09:46 Xiphos wrote:
On October 24 2013 09:27 Partha wrote:
StarCraft 2 in South Korea is 100% dying. I talked to a friend who owns a franchise of PC BANGS called NETBAR (8 branches in Seoul) and he said once in a blue moon would he see someone playing Starcraft 2. It was so bad that most of the computers that that Starcraft 2 hasn't been patched in months and in some cases a few years.

I have no problem with accepting this and look forward to seeing Starcraft 2 become a more global centric game rather than so Korea-focused.


But will that necessarily be beneficial? As we all know, the highest level of play in SC2 derived from Korean. Majority of the audience only care to see professional games played optimally. W/o a Korean scene, its game over for that type of gameplay thus meaning that the core audience of SC2 would definitely not prefer. This create a drop in viewership, followed by diminishing sponsorship money, later by the incentive to "go pro" at the game, furthering the decrease in gameplay.

When Korean SC2 infrastructure collapse, don't you think for one moment that it is good for the SC2 industry. It is, more or less, the nails in the coffin for the professional scene.


We are only assuming that because we've never giving foreigners a legitimate chance to shoot for the top. When MLG/DH/WCS and other tourneys started flooding in Koreans, of course they were going to win the majority of prize money. They have fucking team houses/coaches/maids/robotsexservants, how are foreigners supposed to compete with that?

If the Korean scene was to shrink dramatically, we will have foreigners who have legit chances at the top 1-3 and thus they will try to improve their play. Legitimate competition= skill rise.


Foreigners have had 3 years to "shoot to the top." A couple got close but none took any major title like gsl. If anything, all that is gonna happen is more exclusivity within the pro scene. Less competitions and only a certain number of spots to compete for to be in those competitions. The game is far from over or dying. This is more of a transformation. It just won't be hip anymore to be part of the sc2 community.


If a foreigner actually won a GSL then this player would be unbeatable in normal circumstances. In the finals the foreigner wouldn't play against a single Korean, but against the collective power of all Koreans combined. Which is their biggest advantage and disadvantage anyway.
iyasq8
Profile Joined December 2012
113 Posts
October 24 2013 02:20 GMT
#132
ill never buy an LG product in my lifetime.
Piece
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 24 2013 02:24 GMT
#133
On October 24 2013 11:03 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 09:56 Partha wrote:
On October 24 2013 09:46 Xiphos wrote:
On October 24 2013 09:27 Partha wrote:
StarCraft 2 in South Korea is 100% dying. I talked to a friend who owns a franchise of PC BANGS called NETBAR (8 branches in Seoul) and he said once in a blue moon would he see someone playing Starcraft 2. It was so bad that most of the computers that that Starcraft 2 hasn't been patched in months and in some cases a few years.

I have no problem with accepting this and look forward to seeing Starcraft 2 become a more global centric game rather than so Korea-focused.


But will that necessarily be beneficial? As we all know, the highest level of play in SC2 derived from Korean. Majority of the audience only care to see professional games played optimally. W/o a Korean scene, its game over for that type of gameplay thus meaning that the core audience of SC2 would definitely not prefer. This create a drop in viewership, followed by diminishing sponsorship money, later by the incentive to "go pro" at the game, furthering the decrease in gameplay.

When Korean SC2 infrastructure collapse, don't you think for one moment that it is good for the SC2 industry. It is, more or less, the nails in the coffin for the professional scene.


We are only assuming that because we've never giving foreigners a legitimate chance to shoot for the top. When MLG/DH/WCS and other tourneys started flooding in Koreans, of course they were going to win the majority of prize money. They have fucking team houses/coaches/maids/robotsexservants, how are foreigners supposed to compete with that?

If the Korean scene was to shrink dramatically, we will have foreigners who have legit chances at the top 1-3 and thus they will try to improve their play. Legitimate competition= skill rise.


Foreigners have had 3 years to "shoot to the top." A couple got close but none took any major title like gsl. If anything, all that is gonna happen is more exclusivity within the pro scene. Less competitions and only a certain number of spots to compete for to be in those competitions. The game is far from over or dying. This is more of a transformation. It just won't be hip anymore to be part of the sc2 community.

this. Unless I'm mistaken, it's been more than 3 years now(July was WoL release) so foreigners had more than enough time to prove themselves. There are still a couple who are competitive but Koreans top every tournament which isn't surprising to me at least. They put in the workload and they get the results. If the KR scene falls and it doesn't look good, SCII's pop will plummet even further. Eventually, it'll plummet after LoTV release but who knows. Maybe Blizzard will make some changes and fix things.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
October 24 2013 02:27 GMT
#134
On October 24 2013 11:20 iyasq8 wrote:
ill never buy an LG product in my lifetime.

Far better to buy from another company that has put $0 into SC2
Yhamm is the god of predictions
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 02:38:44
October 24 2013 02:37 GMT
#135
On October 24 2013 11:03 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 09:56 Partha wrote:
On October 24 2013 09:46 Xiphos wrote:
On October 24 2013 09:27 Partha wrote:
StarCraft 2 in South Korea is 100% dying. I talked to a friend who owns a franchise of PC BANGS called NETBAR (8 branches in Seoul) and he said once in a blue moon would he see someone playing Starcraft 2. It was so bad that most of the computers that that Starcraft 2 hasn't been patched in months and in some cases a few years.

I have no problem with accepting this and look forward to seeing Starcraft 2 become a more global centric game rather than so Korea-focused.


But will that necessarily be beneficial? As we all know, the highest level of play in SC2 derived from Korean. Majority of the audience only care to see professional games played optimally. W/o a Korean scene, its game over for that type of gameplay thus meaning that the core audience of SC2 would definitely not prefer. This create a drop in viewership, followed by diminishing sponsorship money, later by the incentive to "go pro" at the game, furthering the decrease in gameplay.

When Korean SC2 infrastructure collapse, don't you think for one moment that it is good for the SC2 industry. It is, more or less, the nails in the coffin for the professional scene.


We are only assuming that because we've never giving foreigners a legitimate chance to shoot for the top. When MLG/DH/WCS and other tourneys started flooding in Koreans, of course they were going to win the majority of prize money. They have fucking team houses/coaches/maids/robotsexservants, how are foreigners supposed to compete with that?

If the Korean scene was to shrink dramatically, we will have foreigners who have legit chances at the top 1-3 and thus they will try to improve their play. Legitimate competition= skill rise.


Foreigners have had 3 years to "shoot to the top." A couple got close but none took any major title like gsl. If anything, all that is gonna happen is more exclusivity within the pro scene. Less competitions and only a certain number of spots to compete for to be in those competitions. The game is far from over or dying. This is more of a transformation. It just won't be hip anymore to be part of the sc2 community.


No, no it won't with regards to exclusivity.

On October 24 2013 11:27 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 11:20 iyasq8 wrote:
ill never buy an LG product in my lifetime.

Far better to buy from another company that has put $0 into SC2


Has no effect on me because I buy the best product that has what I need for the best price. I don't care about anything else personally. If people want to be bitter I say let them. Not like it will change anything.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
October 24 2013 03:10 GMT
#136
Damn it Koreans! Just like Starcraft already! Why don't you like Starcraft?! Your the best at it! Why don't you like something you're the best at?! Here! (starts stuffing Starcraft down Korea's throat) take it! Take the Starcraft! You're gonna like it! LIKE IT godamnit!!.
GatsbyTheGreat
Profile Joined October 2013
68 Posts
October 24 2013 03:14 GMT
#137
On October 24 2013 12:10 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Damn it Koreans! Just like Starcraft already! Why don't you like Starcraft?! Your the best at it! Why don't you like something you're the best at?! Here! (starts stuffing Starcraft down Korea's throat) take it! Take the Starcraft! You're gonna like it! LIKE IT godamnit!!.


They do like Starcraft.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
October 24 2013 03:23 GMT
#138
What a stupid move by LG. Next they are going to tell us that their name is an acronym for "Lucky Goldstar" or something stupid like that ROFL
kKagari
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia84 Posts
October 24 2013 03:23 GMT
#139
I bet this is because that time TL decided to gush on LG's facebook about how much they love LG and their support for Esports. If you take a step back, it does look like spam.
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
October 24 2013 04:21 GMT
#140
On October 24 2013 02:32 Heyoka wrote:
Ah so it finally happened.


Yes, game finally daed

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