EPTIt says that LG doesnt sponsor IM anymore and that the sponsorship amount was 500 million won per year.
Rest of the article is just a summary of what we already knew.
LG-IM now offically only IM
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
It says that LG doesnt sponsor IM anymore and that the sponsorship amount was 500 million won per year. Rest of the article is just a summary of what we already knew.
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Also, it's me or 500k $ per year is not really much? Especially considering that part of it (and probably largest one) went to LoL team. I imagine rent of their team house alone would probably eat 1/3+ of that sum :O | ||
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HammerKick
France6190 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:20 lolfail9001 wrote: Dammit, that sucks. I hope IM kept old uniform :D. Also, it's me or 500k $ per year is not really much? Especially considering that part of it (and probably largest one) went to LoL team. Pretty sure that the LoL team didnt get much from that. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:20 lolfail9001 wrote: I imagine rent of their team house alone would probably eat 1/3+ of that sum :O That would be a really fucking expensive rent. ~_~ | ||
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ETisME
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Did kespa make LG pay that money at the end? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:21 Chexx wrote: Pretty sure that the LoL team didnt get much from that. Then dropping this sponsorship could make sense, considering that SC2 is not in the best form in Korea. | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Are there any korean teams with a "true" sponsor anymore except the kespa teams? (and they use that money for lol i guess). Maybe thats a bad sign for the upcoming proleague too? 1. no proleague at all? 2. proleague but without any new teams (prime, im, mvp) in it? | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:24 lolfail9001 wrote: Then dropping this sponsorship could make sense, considering that SC2 is not in the best form in Korea. the money could have been pumped into the LoL then, no? not sure how successful IM's LoL team is now though ~ | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: Its so sad to watch, Sc2 in korea is sponsored alone by blizzard it seems. Are there any korean teams with a "true" sponsor anymore except the kespa teams? (and they use that money for lol i guess). Maybe thats a bad sign for the upcoming proleague too? 1. no proleague at all? 2. proleague but without any new teams (prime, im, mvp) in it? Well, you can call StarTale. Since Red Bull seems to be heavily involved in sponsorship of it. Same with ZUBUUUU and to lesser extent MVP. | ||
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Mairu
United States222 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3671 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:24 lolfail9001 wrote: Then dropping this sponsorship could make sense, considering that SC2 is not in the best form in Korea. Ever since esports started in korea teams have been begging LG to sponsor them. Even during the absolute height of Brood War they weren't willing to do so. It was not until star 2 that they started investing by sponsoring a few gsls and even hosting some of their own events (to promote their products but still) and on top of that they decided to sponsor IM, and I'm fairly sure that was 100% based on the sc2 squad as a) I'm not even sure whether IM already had a LoL squad prior the sponsorship b) their lol team has pretty much no results and c) on all the pictures from the signing there are only sc2 players. If I were to sponsor a progaming team with that kind of money and then went into renegotiations or even thought about changing my mind I would have also jumped ship when kespa started to nag me about it. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:29 Mairu wrote: I am sad. Now I can't wear my LG-IM jersey to Blizzcon Find original IM jersey. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: Its so sad to watch, Sc2 in korea is sponsored alone by blizzard it seems. Are there any korean teams with a "true" sponsor anymore except the kespa teams? (and they use that money for lol i guess). Maybe thats a bad sign for the upcoming proleague too? 1. no proleague at all? 2. proleague but without any new teams (prime, im, mvp) in it? Pretty much every team has a sponsor of some sort, but title sponsorship deals (like LG-IM used to be) are very rare outside of KeSPA. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:30 Lorch wrote: Ever since esports started in korea teams have been begging LG to sponsor them. Even during the absolute height of Brood War they weren't willing to do so. It was not until star 2 that they started investing by sponsoring a few gsls and even hosting some of their own events (to promote their products but still) and on top of that they decided to sponsor IM, and I'm fairly sure that was 100% based on the sc2 squad as a) I'm not even sure whether IM already had a LoL squad prior the sponsorship b) their lol team has pretty much no results and c) on all the pictures from the signing there are only sc2 players. If I were to sponsor a progaming team with that kind of money and then went into renegotiations or even thought about changing my mind I would have also jumped ship when kespa started to nag me about it. Yeah, but whatever, LG sponsoring few GSLs (including that ridiculous super tournament, that is responsible for like 35% of Polt's winnings) and sponsorship of IM for their sc2 squad made 0 sense to me, considering they never really sponsored BW. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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On October 24 2013 02:30 Keeemy wrote: Pretty much every team has a sponsor of some sort, but title sponsorship deals (like LG-IM used to be) are very rare outside of KeSPA. Yeah i know about the "little ones", but they have no real impact for the team i guess? Shouldnt proleague start in november? We have no new informations about that either right? I dont know man, its really frustrating to see that shit :/ | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:34 NovemberstOrm wrote: btw does it say anything about the money IM lost out on where LG never payed them? I suppose it should be something like earnings of Mvp and Nestea combined. Around that, maybe much less. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah i know about the "little ones", but they have no real impact for the team i guess? Shouldnt proleague start in november? We have no new informations about that either right? I dont know man, its really frustrating to see that shit :/ End of november. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah i know about the "little ones", but they have no real impact for the team i guess? Shouldnt proleague start in november? We have no new informations about that either right? I dont know man, its really frustrating to see that shit :/ It starts in November yes. | ||
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Beyond Magic
Finland130 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:35 AyaaLa wrote: IM still has a LOOOOT of sponsors... like jersey sponsor or drink sponsor. Coach Kang probably has to run the team out of his pocket right team, which sucks (Look at Coach Lee & TSL) | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
That said, it's unfortunate that LG ditched. I think it's important to look at what they did for IM when the sponsorship was in full bloom, and I think they really helped a lot and did some really cool stuff. Just sucks how it turned out | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:50 Arceus wrote: like jersey sponsor or drink sponsor. Coach Kang probably has to run the team out of his pocket right team, which sucks (Look at Coach Lee & TSL) yes but sponsor deals are different just because a company makes peripherals or provides energy drinks etc doesn't mean they don't provide monetary support also TSL barely had any sponsors to begin with | ||
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
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Cheeselicker
United Kingdom78 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:52 geokilla wrote: Wait so how is LoL affected in this case? We know LoL is more popular everywhere and it's not a surprise for big companies to sponsor them. IM has a LoL team, the sponsorship is gone from the team completely | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Maybe they will be less the ''stars'' they were before but its still a strong and skilled team. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:54 shid0x wrote: Still more sponsors than Western Wolves,and they do have expensive players. Maybe they will be less the ''stars'' they were before but its still a strong and skilled team. Western Wolves actually have alot of commonly underrated players, don't they? I do not think it was too expensive to sign Sting, Daisy and check for one. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:59 darkness wrote: Wasn't there some similar news where a team didn't get sponsorship? Was it LG-IM actually? read these threads http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424495 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424494 | ||
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-NeBu-
Poland107 Posts
RIP [*] User was warned for this post | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:56 lolfail9001 wrote: Western Wolves actually have alot of commonly underrated players, don't they? I do not think it was too expensive to sign Sting, Daisy and check for one. Any European or American team with Koreans has to have quite a lot of money to burn. WW flies its Koreans across the world very often, and that's a HUGE expense - at least a couple of thousand dollars per player per tournament. Salaries probably cost less than travel and accommodation. They also have to pay for Daisy living in Europe (currently in the mYinsanity house, together with StarNaN). You also have to consider payment of any Korean translator, or a Korean manager they might have, the expense of translating any contracts in Korean, and making sure there is always someone to take care of the players when they're in a foreign tournament. | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 03:03 Noocta wrote: Can you put the won into dollar conversion in the OP ? just remove a 0 and it's about the same~ 472.5$k to be exact though | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On October 24 2013 03:06 NovemberstOrm wrote: just remove a 0 and it's about the same~ 472.5$k to be exact though Oh okay. That's pretty big actually. | ||
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Graphix
United States208 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On October 24 2013 03:01 NovemberstOrm wrote: read these threads http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424495 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424494 Thank you. So it's not something unsurprising. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
We don't have any team with a head sponsor anymore since EG has been dropped by Raidcall. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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GreenMash
Norway1746 Posts
On October 24 2013 03:18 Noocta wrote: I wonder if these big companies are starting to feel like big investment aren't worth it. We don't have any team with a head sponsor anymore since EG has been dropped by Raidcall. Every Kespa team? | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
Incredible Miracle and LG's contract was until the October of 2012, and after that, IM hasn't been payed One year. Can't say they didn't try. I read on internet that IM does not have one. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Ctesias
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Will take some adapting to the lack of LG in every player's name. | ||
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Juicy Orange
Canada133 Posts
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Popkiller
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On October 24 2013 03:12 KeksX wrote: On the positive side, now we don't have to listen to the announcer saying "ELJEEIEEM"... It's finally only "I AM ...." again :D I AM Nasty. User was warned for this post | ||
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KT_Perry
Korea (South)71 Posts
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:28 NovemberstOrm wrote: the money could have been pumped into the LoL then, no? not sure how successful IM's LoL team is now though ~ IM's lol teams were the two bottom teams in OGN's tournament. | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
On October 24 2013 04:01 KT_Perry wrote: Boycott Lg. I just threw my 47 inch out the window. while this is a very good idea, you may also write their marketing department a nicely articulated hatemail ^_^ | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:21 Chexx wrote: Pretty sure that the LoL team didnt get much from that. Yup, they always were in the shadow of their SC2 division. A gatekeeper at best in LoL, a top team with many legends in SC2. Thanks for the news, Chexx | ||
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paradoxOO9
United Kingdom1123 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
It's actually removing three zeroes, but he's right | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 04:09 Pokebunny wrote: It's actually removing three zeroes, but he's right whoops D: | ||
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Yakikorosu
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KT_Perry
Korea (South)71 Posts
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
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Wuster
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On October 24 2013 02:31 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, but whatever, LG sponsoring few GSLs (including that ridiculous super tournament, that is responsible for like 35% of Polt's winnings) and sponsorship of IM for their sc2 squad made 0 sense to me, considering they never really sponsored BW. It made a lot of sense to me. Because unlike the majority of Kespa sponsors (Samsung's a big exception of course), LG is a company with real global reach. BW was more of a local deal but SC2 was quite popular internationally from the start and continues to be (probably bigger internationally than in S. Korea even). So for LG it actually makes more sense for them to go for a SC2 team than a BW team, especially since they weren't involved in the BW scene and probably just expected SC2 to take over. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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omisa
United States494 Posts
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SeriousLus
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good that it ended, wasnt too fond of the LG in IM :p | ||
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operwolf
United States324 Posts
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
I pronounce it I EM not I AM. | ||
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Australia2706 Posts
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Kheve
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B4 the recent kespa open door policy, title sponsors are essentially wat separates the pro-teams and the esf teams. Hence why STX-soul was part of kespa but soul is now part of esf. Basically between the haves and haves not. Also kespa teams enjoy certain rights with their sponsors. Employment benefit etc are covered by the law. Whereas esf teams rights with their sponsors are only covered by their negotiated contract. Samsung now owns the Khan team renamed Galaxy. So far only Samsung is the bright light in esports. Wish Apple would sponsors some esport team since thy are so much richer...... oh wait apple is richer due to their corporate culture in not giving back to the community. | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
On October 24 2013 04:01 KT_Perry wrote: Boycott Lg. I just threw my 47 inch out the window. If only it were that easy. Pretty sure all the screens I own are made by LG (Dell Precision M4700, Dell U3011, obviously my LG M2262D) Can't exactly throw all of those out | ||
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:21 Keeemy wrote: I hope they find a new sponsor That would be a really fucking expensive rent. ~_~ Yeah, this is why teams live in such cramped apartments in Korea. Housing costs a lot. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 24 2013 05:11 Tobblish wrote: Finally they came to their senses wonder what this means for the KeSPA deal, could it be that IM have a new sponsor? MVP, Prime and IM to merge into Team 8 go go go! | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
Not that I personally balance my actions around ESPORTS and how I affect it, but for those of you that do, just something to consider. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On October 24 2013 06:10 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Took long enough. I hope kespa manages to tear a chunk out of LG's wallet in a lawsuit. Nevertheless, I think the guys in here boycotting LG and throwing monitors out windows need to reconsider their actions. LG doesn't care, you won't hurt their bottom line enough for them to give a shit. What you will do, though, is make potential future sponsors back out on the whole esports thing. We don't offer good ROI, and if investors realize that they can suffer violent backlash from the community for pulling out, they'll stay away. The benefits we offer aren't enough to counterbalance that kind of risk. Not that I personally balance my actions around ESPORTS and how I affect it, but for those of you that do, just something to consider. I doubt anyone in the world has actually thrown their monitor out a window because of this :p. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On October 24 2013 06:13 ZAiNs wrote: I doubt anyone in the world has actually thrown their monitor out a window because of this :p. I know, it was hyperbole. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 24 2013 05:35 Kheve wrote: B4 the recent kespa open door policy, title sponsors are essentially wat separates the pro-teams and the esf teams. Hence why STX-soul was part of kespa but soul is now part of esf. Basically between the haves and haves not. Also kespa teams enjoy certain rights with their sponsors. Employment benefit etc are covered by the law. Whereas esf teams rights with their sponsors are only covered by their negotiated contract. Samsung now owns the Khan team renamed Galaxy. So far only Samsung is the bright light in esports. Wish Apple would sponsors some esport team since thy are so much richer...... oh wait apple is richer due to their corporate culture in not giving back to the community. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the return rate sponsors get from this is negligible. Heck, GOM isn't really helping the Korean teams either by not sharing their statistics for the teams to use to give potential sponsors a better idea (they have their reasons!). I'm sure Raidcall and Steel Series were playing a similar tune too after they saw what they were getting from it. At the end of the day, if you want those sponsorship dollars you have to be able to show a return in investment. Not many teams have the capability of doing this. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On October 24 2013 06:10 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Took long enough. I hope kespa manages to tear a chunk out of LG's wallet in a lawsuit. Nevertheless, I think the guys in here boycotting LG and throwing monitors out windows need to reconsider their actions. LG doesn't care, you won't hurt their bottom line enough for them to give a shit. What you will do, though, is make potential future sponsors back out on the whole esports thing. We don't offer good ROI, and if investors realize that they can suffer violent backlash from the community for pulling out, they'll stay away. The benefits we offer aren't enough to counterbalance that kind of risk. Not that I personally balance my actions around ESPORTS and how I affect it, but for those of you that do, just something to consider. Which lawsuit? :D dafuq are they going 2 do "oh we didn'T have a contract for a year. but we kept showing them as sponsors? so please give us money now? :D dafuq? there was never a fucking contract so gl with that lawsuit. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On October 24 2013 06:38 rasers wrote: Which lawsuit? :D dafuq are they going 2 do "oh we didn'T have a contract for a year. but we kept showing them as sponsors? so please give us money now? :D dafuq? there was never a fucking contract so gl with that lawsuit. On August 08 2013 18:47 egernya wrote: + Show Spoiler + Source: http://www.thisisgame.com/esports/news/nboard/162/?n=48429 ![[image loading]](http://img.ruliweb.daum.net/data/news13/08m/24/pc/ruliweb_kespa.jpg) President Jeon: "We won't just watch if they become a company exploits young players." 협회가 확인한 바에 따르면, IM팀과 LG전자의 정상적인 후원 계약은 지난해(2012년) 10월까지였고, 그 이후 현재(2013년 8월)까지 IM팀이 LG전자로부터 후원금을 지급받지 못한 채 LG전자 로고와 LG-IM팀명 만 유지하며 강동훈 감독이 사재나 소규모 서브 스폰으로 팀을 운영해 왔다. 강동훈 감독은 어렵게 팀을 운영하는 과정에서 많은 빚을 지게 된 것도 확인되었다. As KeSPA confirmed, Incredible Miracle and LG's contract was until the October of 2012, and after that, IM hasn't been payed, and Coach Park has run the team with his own expense and the money from sub-sponsors. It was also confirmed that he got some debts. 협회는 강동훈 감독이 “잘못된 계약을 바로 잡아달라”는 요청에 따라 과거 협회-연맹 간의 갈등관계를 떠나 e스포츠를 대표하는 기관으로 e스포츠 팀 운영 환경 개선을 위해 사실확인을 했고, LG전자와 강동훈 감독 양쪽 의견을 모두 청취했다. By the request of the coach, "to correct the contract", KeSPA investigated on the case as a organization represents the Korean esports scene, and listened to the both sides. LG전자와 IM팀 강동훈 감독은 2012년 10월 계약 만료를 전후해 계약연장에 대해 논의했고, LG전자 측에서는 11월 경 재계약 금액과 조건을 제시했으며 그에 대해 사실상 양자가 합의해 연장 계약이 확정된 것처럼 보였다. LG전자는 LG그룹(회장 구본무) 블로그에 IM팀 인터뷰를 게재하는 등 실질적인 LG전자가 후원하는 LG그룹의 e스포츠 게임단으로 활동 하였다. 연장계약에 대한 계약서도 LG전자가 제안해 상호 검토한 것으로 확인됐다. LG and IM discussed about the contract extension around the extension on October, 2012. LG offered a new contract on the November, and virtually both agreed, so it looked like they agreed the extension. IM went on for activities for LG, including being interviewed for LG's blog. It was also confirmed that the contract was offered by LG, and the both side looked through it. 2012년 12월에도 LG전자 행사에 참석했다. 이러한 과정 속에서 IM팀은 LG전자의 확약을 믿고, 다른 주요한 스폰사의 제의를 모두 거절하는 기회비용도 지불해야 했다. 또한 2013년 4월까지 지속적으로 양자는 활동관계를 공유하며 스폰서 재계약을 위한 협의를 지속했으나 끝내 계약은 성사되지 못했다. Even on the December, IM participated for LG's events. Through this, IM believed in LG, refusing other offers from sponsors. Also, until the April of 2013, They continuously shared activities, and kept discussing for the renewal, but it failed. LG전자는 계약 연장 논의를 계약 만료기간 전후 2개월로 설정했고, 2012년 12월 말경 재계약으로 어렵다는 것을 통보했으니 “잘못한 것이 없다”라고 답변하고 있으나, 실제 재계약 논의기간 중 LG전자는 수차례 계약을 확약한 바 있고, 최종 재계약 불가를 양자가 모두 확실하게 인지한 시기는 2013년 4월로 재계약 논의기간이 4개월 더 지난 시점이었다. LG set the period of negotiation 2 months, and they notified that the renewal is difficult on the December, so they've done "nothing wrong", but during the period, LG continuously confirmed the contract, and the period that both of them recognized that the renewal was impossible was actually the April of 2013, four more months later. 협회는 해당내용을 모두 인지하고 실무차원에서 재계약이 원활히 이뤄질 수 있도록 LG전자와 IM팀을 중재하고자 했으나, LG전자는 기회비용 보상비 차원에서 천 만원 정도의 향후 행사약속 수준으로 무마시키고자 했다. The Association recognized all the facts above, and tried to arbitrate LG and IM, but LG tried to cover this up with a promise of events with a reward around $10, 000 Pay particular attention to the bottom half. Not sure if they got an agreement hashed out on paper with all the bells and whistles, but it definitely seems that IM thought the deal was in the bag, if not outright finalized. There was also the attempted bribe, if that sort of thing gets to you. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On October 24 2013 07:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Pay particular attention to the bottom half. Not sure if they got an agreement hashed out on paper with all the bells and whistles, but it definitely seems that IM thought the deal was in the bag, if not outright finalized. There was also the attempted bribe, if that sort of thing gets to you. The thing is. NO ONE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARES what IM thought. there is no contract nothing on paper. just words. like how stupid do you have to be to run around for months thinking you got a sponsor when u didn't even sign a contract. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On October 24 2013 07:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Pay particular attention to the bottom half. Not sure if they got an agreement hashed out on paper with all the bells and whistles, but it definitely seems that IM thought the deal was in the bag, if not outright finalized. There was also the attempted bribe, if that sort of thing gets to you. Unless it was "hashed out on paper with all the bells and whistles," I don't think they can do anything. Then again, I don't know anything about Korean law. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 24 2013 08:39 rasers wrote: The thing is. NO ONE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARES what IM thought. there is no contract nothing on paper. just words. like how stupid do you have to be to run around for months thinking you got a sponsor when u didn't even sign a contract. it does sound like words since if there was any sort of contract, then LG wouldn't be able to escape and would have to follow the contract. Having said that, this is all speculation since we don't know just what was said between them. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On October 24 2013 06:35 StarStruck wrote: Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the return rate sponsors get from this is negligible. Heck, GOM isn't really helping the Korean teams either by not sharing their statistics for the teams to use to give potential sponsors a better idea (they have their reasons!). I'm sure Raidcall and Steel Series were playing a similar tune too after they saw what they were getting from it. At the end of the day, if you want those sponsorship dollars you have to be able to show a return in investment. Not many teams have the capability of doing this. And what exactly are those reasons? I mean, it's quite easy to see that the Korean scene is really hurting right now, if not outright dying. FXOBoss talked about that issue years ago and GOM really seemed backwards with not revealing their numbers, and not knowing the stream numbers makes it less attractive to sponsors. Anyway, 500 million won in USD: https://www.google.com/search?q=500 million won in usd $472,500. Nearly half a million sponsorship. No way that SC2 is providing a return on that investment with the state it's right now. Whether in Korea or globally. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:53 Cheeselicker wrote: Not going to buy any more LG products now. Don't be like that. LG put half a million dollars into sponsoring a SC2 team, show them some love. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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Partha
New Zealand163 Posts
I have no problem with accepting this and look forward to seeing Starcraft 2 become a more global centric game rather than so Korea-focused. | ||
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havok55
United States276 Posts
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On October 24 2013 09:27 zezamer wrote: LG put half a million dollars into sc2 and ditched it once it wasn't "the thing" anymore... welcome to the real world. | ||
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_-NoMaN-_
Canada250 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:31 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, but whatever, LG sponsoring few GSLs (including that ridiculous super tournament, that is responsible for like 35% of Polt's winnings) and sponsorship of IM for their sc2 squad made 0 sense to me, considering they never really sponsored BW. The Brood War audience was almost exclusively Korean, while sc2 is decidedly global. From a marketing perspective it makes perfect sense to favor sc2 over Brood War. | ||
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
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nachtkap
Germany195 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 24 2013 09:27 Partha wrote: StarCraft 2 in South Korea is 100% dying. I talked to a friend who owns a franchise of PC BANGS called NETBAR (8 branches in Seoul) and he said once in a blue moon would he see someone playing Starcraft 2. It was so bad that most of the computers that that Starcraft 2 hasn't been patched in months and in some cases a few years. I have no problem with accepting this and look forward to seeing Starcraft 2 become a more global centric game rather than so Korea-focused. But will that necessarily be beneficial? As we all know, the highest level of play in SC2 derived from Korean. Majority of the audience only care to see professional games played optimally. W/o a Korean scene, its game over for that type of gameplay thus meaning that the core audience of SC2 would definitely not prefer. This create a drop in viewership, followed by diminishing sponsorship money, later by the incentive to "go pro" at the game, furthering the decrease in gameplay. When Korean SC2 infrastructure collapse, don't you think for one moment that it is good for the SC2 industry. It is, more or less, the nails in the coffin for the professional scene. | ||
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IcookTacos
Sweden295 Posts
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Partha
New Zealand163 Posts
On October 24 2013 09:46 Xiphos wrote: But will that necessarily be beneficial? As we all know, the highest level of play in SC2 derived from Korean. Majority of the audience only care to see professional games played optimally. W/o a Korean scene, its game over for that type of gameplay thus meaning that the core audience of SC2 would definitely not prefer. This create a drop in viewership, followed by diminishing sponsorship money, later by the incentive to "go pro" at the game, furthering the decrease in gameplay. When Korean SC2 infrastructure collapse, don't you think for one moment that it is good for the SC2 industry. It is, more or less, the nails in the coffin for the professional scene. We are only assuming that because we've never giving foreigners a legitimate chance to shoot for the top. When MLG/DH/WCS and other tourneys started flooding in Koreans, of course they were going to win the majority of prize money. They have fucking team houses/coaches/maids/robotsexservants, how are foreigners supposed to compete with that? If the Korean scene was to shrink dramatically, we will have foreigners who have legit chances at the top 1-3 and thus they will try to improve their play. Legitimate competition= skill rise. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On October 24 2013 09:46 Xiphos wrote: But will that necessarily be beneficial? As we all know, the highest level of play in SC2 derived from Korean. Majority of the audience only care to see professional games played optimally. W/o a Korean scene, its game over for that type of gameplay thus meaning that the core audience of SC2 would definitely not prefer. This create a drop in viewership, followed by diminishing sponsorship money, later by the incentive to "go pro" at the game, furthering the decrease in gameplay. When Korean SC2 infrastructure collapse, don't you think for one moment that it is good for the SC2 industry. It is, more or less, the nails in the coffin for the professional scene. Well, if you want to draw a historical parallel, the Korean scene collapsing in War3 didn't hurt the professional scene all that much. | ||
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TeslasPigeon
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 24 2013 09:56 Partha wrote: We are only assuming that because we've never giving foreigners a legitimate chance to shoot for the top. When MLG/DH/WCS and other tourneys started flooding in Koreans, of course they were going to win the majority of prize money. They have fucking team houses/coaches/maids/robotsexservants, how are foreigners supposed to compete with that? If the Korean scene was to shrink dramatically, we will have foreigners who have legit chances at the top 1-3 and thus they will try to improve their play. Legitimate competition= skill rise. How many chances do foreigners have already? You saying the MLG/DH/WCS leagues. Any foreigner can sign up to and compete, that's plenty of chance to prove yourself. The Korean have the infrastructure to improve your gameplay wholeheartedly. Foreigners have the change of becoming really good in order to enroll themselves into that atmosphere. W/o that environment (because of Korea SC2 scene's destruction), you can't advance yourself further. So no, w/o Korea team houses, people will retire, skill will drop. Can't argue with that. On October 24 2013 10:00 babylon wrote: Well, if you want to draw a historical parallel, the Korean scene collapsing in War3 didn't hurt the professional scene all that much. That's because other countries can already compete head-to-head with the Koreans in WC3 so skill level was retained for viewers. Give another example. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On October 24 2013 10:11 Advantageous wrote: did no one speculate that LG might be making their own team? like Samsung KHAN???????? I feel like if this was the case, LG would have bought out Incredible Miracle's two League of Legends teams like Samsung did with MVP. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 24 2013 10:11 Advantageous wrote: did no one speculate that LG might be making their own team? like Samsung KHAN???????? That's really inefficient in multiple ways. IM is already an well established team. Absolutely no reason to throw that partnership away and start from scratch. | ||
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GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 24 2013 10:00 babylon wrote: Well, if you want to draw a historical parallel, the Korean scene collapsing in War3 didn't hurt the professional scene all that much. If WC3 level of professionalism is what SC2 is chasing for, then no worry for at least 5 years. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
Or get out your Googims hat. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On October 24 2013 09:27 zezamer wrote: LG put half a million dollars into sc2 and ditched it once it wasn't "the thing" anymore... It's almost like a business was acting in its own interests or something. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On October 24 2013 10:14 Fionn wrote: I feel like if this was the case, LG would have bought out Incredible Miracle's two League of Legends teams like Samsung did with MVP. But like people have said previously, IM's LoL teams aren't exactly that great. MVP's buyout by Samsung makes sense because they were one of the few top teams to not have a major sponsor fully backing them. If LG wishes to make their own LoL team, they might be looking to buy out a stronger team. Though my knowledge of the LoL pro scene is limited, so I can't exactly name any teams they'd be interested in buying out that would be stronger than IM's. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On October 24 2013 09:56 Partha wrote: We are only assuming that because we've never giving foreigners a legitimate chance to shoot for the top. When MLG/DH/WCS and other tourneys started flooding in Koreans, of course they were going to win the majority of prize money. They have fucking team houses/coaches/maids/robotsexservants, how are foreigners supposed to compete with that? If the Korean scene was to shrink dramatically, we will have foreigners who have legit chances at the top 1-3 and thus they will try to improve their play. Legitimate competition= skill rise. Foreigners have had 3 years to "shoot to the top." A couple got close but none took any major title like gsl. If anything, all that is gonna happen is more exclusivity within the pro scene. Less competitions and only a certain number of spots to compete for to be in those competitions. The game is far from over or dying. This is more of a transformation. It just won't be hip anymore to be part of the sc2 community. | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On October 24 2013 10:14 babylon wrote: Deterioration of gameplay and skill (what you have in the War3 and BW scenes right now) will come when there are no longer any big tournaments going on. On the other hand, SC2 teams' management skills were already rock bottom.  Seriously, in which world do you wait months from the legal expiration of a contract to act upon the change? | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On October 24 2013 11:03 Baarn wrote: Foreigners have had 3 years to "shoot to the top." A couple got close but none took any major title like gsl. If anything, all that is gonna happen is more exclusivity within the pro scene. Less competitions and only a certain number of spots to compete for to be in those competitions. The game is far from over or dying. This is more of a transformation. It just won't be hip anymore to be part of the sc2 community. If a foreigner actually won a GSL then this player would be unbeatable in normal circumstances. In the finals the foreigner wouldn't play against a single Korean, but against the collective power of all Koreans combined. Which is their biggest advantage and disadvantage anyway. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 24 2013 11:03 Baarn wrote: Foreigners have had 3 years to "shoot to the top." A couple got close but none took any major title like gsl. If anything, all that is gonna happen is more exclusivity within the pro scene. Less competitions and only a certain number of spots to compete for to be in those competitions. The game is far from over or dying. This is more of a transformation. It just won't be hip anymore to be part of the sc2 community. this. Unless I'm mistaken, it's been more than 3 years now(July was WoL release) so foreigners had more than enough time to prove themselves. There are still a couple who are competitive but Koreans top every tournament which isn't surprising to me at least. They put in the workload and they get the results. If the KR scene falls and it doesn't look good, SCII's pop will plummet even further. Eventually, it'll plummet after LoTV release but who knows. Maybe Blizzard will make some changes and fix things. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On October 24 2013 11:20 iyasq8 wrote: ill never buy an LG product in my lifetime. Far better to buy from another company that has put $0 into SC2 | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 24 2013 11:03 Baarn wrote: Foreigners have had 3 years to "shoot to the top." A couple got close but none took any major title like gsl. If anything, all that is gonna happen is more exclusivity within the pro scene. Less competitions and only a certain number of spots to compete for to be in those competitions. The game is far from over or dying. This is more of a transformation. It just won't be hip anymore to be part of the sc2 community. No, no it won't with regards to exclusivity. On October 24 2013 11:27 Scarecrow wrote: Far better to buy from another company that has put $0 into SC2 Has no effect on me because I buy the best product that has what I need for the best price. I don't care about anything else personally. If people want to be bitter I say let them. Not like it will change anything. | ||
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thepuppyassassin
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GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 24 2013 12:10 thepuppyassassin wrote: Damn it Koreans! Just like Starcraft already! Why don't you like Starcraft?! Your the best at it! Why don't you like something you're the best at?! Here! (starts stuffing Starcraft down Korea's throat) take it! Take the Starcraft! You're gonna like it! LIKE IT godamnit!!. They do like Starcraft. | ||
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thepuppyassassin
900 Posts
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kKagari
Australia84 Posts
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Animzor
Sweden2154 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:32 Heyoka wrote: Ah so it finally happened. Yes, game finally daed User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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sqrt
1210 Posts
On October 24 2013 05:04 SeriousLus wrote: half a mill? for an entire team PER year? holy crap thats nothing.. good that it ended, wasnt too fond of the LG in IM :p This isn't soccer, that half a mil might as well have been more than 1/3 of their total income, if not more. | ||
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United States20 Posts
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On October 24 2013 13:47 krogdog101 wrote: How will they ever pay Nestea now? Nobody pays Nestea. Nestea pays Nestea. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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LowEloPlayer
United States205 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:24 lolfail9001 wrote: Then dropping this sponsorship could make sense, considering that SC2 is not in the best form in Korea. Wait you mean a company did something that made economic sense for them? I thought LG dropped sponsorship because they wanted to kill esports! | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 24 2013 14:11 LowEloPlayer wrote: Wait you mean a company did something that made economic sense for them? I thought LG dropped sponsorship because they wanted to kill esports! Yeah, strange. | ||
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DeadCell
Canada256 Posts
I don't want the team to be divided due to the loss of LG sponsorship. I really hope they have another sponsor opportunity soon. | ||
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A Wild Sosd
Australia421 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 24 2013 14:17 A Wild Sosd wrote: Don't forget that they still have a whole lot of minor sponsors! who likely don't pay anywhere near LG lol | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5588 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:20 lolfail9001 wrote: Dammit, that sucks. I hope IM kept old uniform :D. Also, it's me or 500k $ per year is not really much? Especially considering that part of it (and probably largest one) went to LoL team. I imagine rent of their team house alone would probably eat 1/3+ of that sum :O lool that is like Flash's salary plus rent for a year  | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 15:47 Elroi wrote: lool that is like Flash's salary plus rent for a year i highly doubt he makes that much now :/ | ||
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Kheve
323 Posts
On October 24 2013 12:10 thepuppyassassin wrote: Damn it Koreans! Just like Starcraft already! Why don't you like Starcraft?! Your the best at it! Why don't you like something you're the best at?! Here! (starts stuffing Starcraft down Korea's throat) take it! Take the Starcraft! You're gonna like it! LIKE IT godamnit!!. LOL. How grating it must be to see it from outside and see koreans lording it over sc only to realise its something they dont really like and does it for a pasttime in their freetime when they are not playing lol. | ||
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Kheve
323 Posts
On October 24 2013 16:00 NovemberstOrm wrote: i highly doubt he makes that much now :/ And THAT is the difference between BW THE ESPORT, and the slew of other jokers claiming to be esports. Its like comparing a full blown fmcg industry on peanut butter and roasting peanuts by the roadside. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 24 2013 15:56 SuperFanBoy wrote: I hope MVP switches to LoL, I honestly believe he is one of the few sc2 players who could go huge in LoL. Mvp will be the first hearthstone bonjwa, you don't need wrists to play that game. | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
On October 24 2013 12:10 thepuppyassassin wrote: Damn it Koreans! Just like Starcraft already! Why don't you like Starcraft?! Your the best at it! Why don't you like something you're the best at?! Here! (starts stuffing Starcraft down Korea's throat) take it! Take the Starcraft! You're gonna like it! LIKE IT godamnit!!. Starcraft 2 is not Starcraft. Blizzard is the one that does not like Starcraft. | ||
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Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:05 ppshchik wrote: Starcraft 2 is not Starcraft. Blizzard is the one that does not like Starcraft. Wow. This is a hell of a good answer. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On October 24 2013 16:14 Kheve wrote: And THAT is the difference between BW THE ESPORT, and the slew of other jokers claiming to be esports. Its like comparing a full blown fmcg industry on peanut butter and roasting peanuts by the roadside. It's time for you to get over it | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 16:14 Kheve wrote: And THAT is the difference between BW THE ESPORT, and the slew of other jokers claiming to be esports. Its like comparing a full blown fmcg industry on peanut butter and roasting peanuts by the roadside. you seem full of it | ||
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Khai
Australia551 Posts
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
At least MVP is now IMMVP again instead of LG-IMMVP | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
Salaries of players like MVP, Nestea, LosirA alone will eat up alot of that money not even to mention the Coaching staff or the cook/cleaner, then there is the housing rent + electric/water, food, transport local + international etc etc. It's easy to think a player that goes to a team house without having a salary = FREE ! But in reality take a person in your house and supply him/her with there needs, and you'd be suprised how expensive that is. I honestly expected they got more from LG on a year basis, but perhaps that's because i compared it more to BW. Ayway i do hope IM finds another big sponsor, though the chances atm seem slim. | ||
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aeligos
United States172 Posts
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B_Type13X2
Canada122 Posts
What the hell does that have to do with SC2 and E-sports? Well LG might have been breaking even with IM when SC2 was the biggest thing in E-sports but now that it is declining or atleast isn't the biggest thing on the block it would be hard to argue from a value standpoint that continuing to sponsor the team is worth it. You can boycott them and be as vehemently toxic towards them as you want but all that does is re-enforce to them that leaving this scene was the right thing to do for them from a financial standpoint and from an image standpoint. I mean who wants to put money into a scene when the response is generally unenthusiastic to outright hostile. Further I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard themselves tones down WCS in the next few seasons because the monetary gain does not meet with projected profits so the budget has to be scaled back to reflect this. In layman's terms breaking even or barely showing a profit is not a winning business model so somethings will have to be cut back. | ||
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j1nzo
Germany367 Posts
also on the first few pages i read comments like "$500k? that doesn't sound much" an i can only facepalm to statements like that... considering how im was doing well before the sponsorship, i can only hope this will not hurt their team as a whole- even though i can imagine that now a huge amount is missing in comparison. but then again im was fine w/o lg in the golden days of sc2... *edit* im's lol team is currently playing on ogn champions winter. they still have their regular jerseys with lg as sponsor im vs kt champions winter 2013 | ||
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Lorch
Germany3671 Posts
On October 25 2013 18:57 j1nzo wrote: to me this is kinda big news... i still remember how tastosis did stress out how huge this was. also on the first few pages i read comments like "$500k? that doesn't sound much" an i can only facepalm to statements like that... considering how im was doing well before the sponsorship, i can only hope this will not hurt their team as a whole- even though i can imagine that now a huge amount is missing in comparison. but then again im was fine w/o lg in the golden days of sc2... Well given that they gained like 10 sponsorships since the LG deal started I'd imagine they will continue to be able to operate. Still loosing 500k (for the sake of this community I hope nobody actually things this is not a lot of money) is huge and I think they will have to make cuts to survive without it (maybe loosing the lol teams?). Still given that they left esf I'd imagine kespa will help them out with finding new sponsors anyways. This deal was huge as teams had been asking LG to sponsor them for over a decade now. And then IM got the deal, something even kespa teams weren't able to get at the peak of brood war. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On October 25 2013 19:19 Lorch wrote: Well given that they gained like 10 sponsorships since the LG deal started I'd imagine they will continue to be able to operate. Still loosing 500k (for the sake of this community I hope nobody actually things this is not a lot of money) is huge and I think they will have to make cuts to survive without it (maybe loosing the lol teams?). Still given that they left esf I'd imagine kespa will help them out with finding new sponsors anyways. This deal was huge as teams had been asking LG to sponsor them for over a decade now. And then IM got the deal, something even kespa teams weren't able to get at the peak of brood war. They already have been wearing the sponsorship for a year now without getting paid, i doubt IM actualy needs to "cut" all the sudden and IM would be stupid to cut there "LoL" team and focus only on Sc2. The big money in Korea atm is in League. That would be so stupid. | ||
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United Kingdom444 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 25 2013 21:08 Lysanias wrote: They already have been wearing the sponsorship for a year now without getting paid, i doubt IM actualy needs to "cut" all the sudden and IM would be stupid to cut there "LoL" team and focus only on Sc2. The big money in Korea atm is in League. That would be so stupid. That is correct. The more financial sound decision would be to cut off their SC2 teams rather than LoL. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:00 aeligos wrote: Apple Inc. needs to step in and provide some sponsorship. Your like the 2nd person who said that or was that you as well? Look, being major sponsor for a pro team just isn't very appealing at the moment. Even with KeSPA's exposure it's still very hard for them to find major players to step up and finance an actual team. The return on investment just isn't there. On a side note, I'm amazed at how much free advertising teams like EG get after reading today's paper. The otter knows too many people. | ||
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PonceDeLEGABE
United States117 Posts
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 26 2013 00:02 StarStruck wrote: Your like the 2nd person who said that or was that you as well? Look, being major sponsor for a pro team just isn't very appealing at the moment. Even with KeSPA's exposure it's still very hard for them to find major players to step up and finance an actual team. The return on investment just isn't there. On a side note, I'm amazed at how much free advertising teams like EG get after reading today's paper. The otter knows too many people. no, he knows how to do his job | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:20 lolfail9001 wrote: Dammit, that sucks. I hope IM kept old uniform :D. Also, it's me or 500k $ per year is not really much? Especially considering that part of it (and probably largest one) went to LoL team. I imagine rent of their team house alone would probably eat 1/3+ of that sum :O You want a company to pay out a million dollars to an eSports team in a single year or what? lol.. $500k is a good amount of money and is definitely going to hurt IM. Their team house I'm sure didn't cost $156k per year to RENT lol. Actually I'm sure they could BUY a pretty nice house with that 1/3 of the sponsorship money. Pretty crazy though, I guess I'll just never buy a LG again.... Time to buy Samsung!! XD jk, but I did buy LG's top of the line TV and it's pretty garbage compared to most other top of the line TV's. Definitely not buying LG anymore, but only because of quality. And a little bit, I guess, because they skimped out on IM. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On October 26 2013 00:02 StarStruck wrote: Your like the 2nd person who said that or was that you as well? Look, being major sponsor for a pro team just isn't very appealing at the moment. Even with KeSPA's exposure it's still very hard for them to find major players to step up and finance an actual team. The return on investment just isn't there. On a side note, I'm amazed at how much free advertising teams like EG get after reading today's paper. The otter knows too many people. Yawn... I am 100% talking out of my ass right now, but I'm pretty positive that LG was highly benefited from their eSports sponsorships. I'm also pretty sure that they made a mistake, or let an ignorant person convince a higher up that they should use the money elsewhere, and will end up regretting their decision even more than they already do (I'm sure they do, at least a little bit). Like the guy before me said though, the guys at EG do their job. It is hard, I worked in eSports for a long time and worked towards getting sponsors a part of that time. It's extremely difficult when you're a small name with only a medium sized contact list, but it was doable, even when eSports outside of Korea was garbage. People on these pro teams won't/don't have much trouble with it these days. So long as they do what they need to do, I see IM getting more sponsorship here pretty soon. Edit: sorry for double post ^^' | ||
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Rowa
Belgium962 Posts
The culprit is the amount of viewers for sc2/lol and the fact that for an investissment of 500k $ they coud fund a whole ad campaign that will be viewed by millions.. I guess Numbers > PR for them. | ||
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fireforce7
United States334 Posts
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B_Type13X2
Canada122 Posts
On October 27 2013 06:50 Rowa wrote: + Show Spoiler + The culprit is the amount of viewers for sc2/lol and the fact that for an investment of 500k $ they could fund a whole ad campaign that will be viewed by millions.. I guess Numbers > PR for them. You damn rights it does. They'll get more positive PR by sponsoring games like LoL then they will negative PR by axing SCII. They are a business and this isn't charity. | ||
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