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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
I pronounce it I EM not I AM. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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Kheve
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B4 the recent kespa open door policy, title sponsors are essentially wat separates the pro-teams and the esf teams. Hence why STX-soul was part of kespa but soul is now part of esf. Basically between the haves and haves not. Also kespa teams enjoy certain rights with their sponsors. Employment benefit etc are covered by the law. Whereas esf teams rights with their sponsors are only covered by their negotiated contract. Samsung now owns the Khan team renamed Galaxy. So far only Samsung is the bright light in esports. Wish Apple would sponsors some esport team since thy are so much richer...... oh wait apple is richer due to their corporate culture in not giving back to the community. | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
On October 24 2013 04:01 KT_Perry wrote: Boycott Lg. I just threw my 47 inch out the window. If only it were that easy. Pretty sure all the screens I own are made by LG (Dell Precision M4700, Dell U3011, obviously my LG M2262D) Can't exactly throw all of those out  | ||
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
On October 24 2013 02:21 Keeemy wrote: I hope they find a new sponsor That would be a really fucking expensive rent. ~_~ Yeah, this is why teams live in such cramped apartments in Korea. Housing costs a lot. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 24 2013 05:11 Tobblish wrote: Finally they came to their senses wonder what this means for the KeSPA deal, could it be that IM have a new sponsor? MVP, Prime and IM to merge into Team 8 go go go! | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
Not that I personally balance my actions around ESPORTS and how I affect it, but for those of you that do, just something to consider. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On October 24 2013 06:10 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Took long enough. I hope kespa manages to tear a chunk out of LG's wallet in a lawsuit. Nevertheless, I think the guys in here boycotting LG and throwing monitors out windows need to reconsider their actions. LG doesn't care, you won't hurt their bottom line enough for them to give a shit. What you will do, though, is make potential future sponsors back out on the whole esports thing. We don't offer good ROI, and if investors realize that they can suffer violent backlash from the community for pulling out, they'll stay away. The benefits we offer aren't enough to counterbalance that kind of risk. Not that I personally balance my actions around ESPORTS and how I affect it, but for those of you that do, just something to consider. I doubt anyone in the world has actually thrown their monitor out a window because of this :p. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On October 24 2013 06:13 ZAiNs wrote: I doubt anyone in the world has actually thrown their monitor out a window because of this :p. I know, it was hyperbole. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 24 2013 05:35 Kheve wrote: B4 the recent kespa open door policy, title sponsors are essentially wat separates the pro-teams and the esf teams. Hence why STX-soul was part of kespa but soul is now part of esf. Basically between the haves and haves not. Also kespa teams enjoy certain rights with their sponsors. Employment benefit etc are covered by the law. Whereas esf teams rights with their sponsors are only covered by their negotiated contract. Samsung now owns the Khan team renamed Galaxy. So far only Samsung is the bright light in esports. Wish Apple would sponsors some esport team since thy are so much richer...... oh wait apple is richer due to their corporate culture in not giving back to the community. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the return rate sponsors get from this is negligible. Heck, GOM isn't really helping the Korean teams either by not sharing their statistics for the teams to use to give potential sponsors a better idea (they have their reasons!). I'm sure Raidcall and Steel Series were playing a similar tune too after they saw what they were getting from it. At the end of the day, if you want those sponsorship dollars you have to be able to show a return in investment. Not many teams have the capability of doing this. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On October 24 2013 06:10 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Took long enough. I hope kespa manages to tear a chunk out of LG's wallet in a lawsuit. Nevertheless, I think the guys in here boycotting LG and throwing monitors out windows need to reconsider their actions. LG doesn't care, you won't hurt their bottom line enough for them to give a shit. What you will do, though, is make potential future sponsors back out on the whole esports thing. We don't offer good ROI, and if investors realize that they can suffer violent backlash from the community for pulling out, they'll stay away. The benefits we offer aren't enough to counterbalance that kind of risk. Not that I personally balance my actions around ESPORTS and how I affect it, but for those of you that do, just something to consider. Which lawsuit? :D dafuq are they going 2 do "oh we didn'T have a contract for a year. but we kept showing them as sponsors? so please give us money now? :D dafuq? there was never a fucking contract so gl with that lawsuit. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On October 24 2013 06:38 rasers wrote: Which lawsuit? :D dafuq are they going 2 do "oh we didn'T have a contract for a year. but we kept showing them as sponsors? so please give us money now? :D dafuq? there was never a fucking contract so gl with that lawsuit. On August 08 2013 18:47 egernya wrote: + Show Spoiler + Source: http://www.thisisgame.com/esports/news/nboard/162/?n=48429 ![[image loading]](http://img.ruliweb.daum.net/data/news13/08m/24/pc/ruliweb_kespa.jpg) President Jeon: "We won't just watch if they become a company exploits young players." 협회가 확인한 바에 따르면, IM팀과 LG전자의 정상적인 후원 계약은 지난해(2012년) 10월까지였고, 그 이후 현재(2013년 8월)까지 IM팀이 LG전자로부터 후원금을 지급받지 못한 채 LG전자 로고와 LG-IM팀명 만 유지하며 강동훈 감독이 사재나 소규모 서브 스폰으로 팀을 운영해 왔다. 강동훈 감독은 어렵게 팀을 운영하는 과정에서 많은 빚을 지게 된 것도 확인되었다. As KeSPA confirmed, Incredible Miracle and LG's contract was until the October of 2012, and after that, IM hasn't been payed, and Coach Park has run the team with his own expense and the money from sub-sponsors. It was also confirmed that he got some debts. 협회는 강동훈 감독이 “잘못된 계약을 바로 잡아달라”는 요청에 따라 과거 협회-연맹 간의 갈등관계를 떠나 e스포츠를 대표하는 기관으로 e스포츠 팀 운영 환경 개선을 위해 사실확인을 했고, LG전자와 강동훈 감독 양쪽 의견을 모두 청취했다. By the request of the coach, "to correct the contract", KeSPA investigated on the case as a organization represents the Korean esports scene, and listened to the both sides. LG전자와 IM팀 강동훈 감독은 2012년 10월 계약 만료를 전후해 계약연장에 대해 논의했고, LG전자 측에서는 11월 경 재계약 금액과 조건을 제시했으며 그에 대해 사실상 양자가 합의해 연장 계약이 확정된 것처럼 보였다. LG전자는 LG그룹(회장 구본무) 블로그에 IM팀 인터뷰를 게재하는 등 실질적인 LG전자가 후원하는 LG그룹의 e스포츠 게임단으로 활동 하였다. 연장계약에 대한 계약서도 LG전자가 제안해 상호 검토한 것으로 확인됐다. LG and IM discussed about the contract extension around the extension on October, 2012. LG offered a new contract on the November, and virtually both agreed, so it looked like they agreed the extension. IM went on for activities for LG, including being interviewed for LG's blog. It was also confirmed that the contract was offered by LG, and the both side looked through it. 2012년 12월에도 LG전자 행사에 참석했다. 이러한 과정 속에서 IM팀은 LG전자의 확약을 믿고, 다른 주요한 스폰사의 제의를 모두 거절하는 기회비용도 지불해야 했다. 또한 2013년 4월까지 지속적으로 양자는 활동관계를 공유하며 스폰서 재계약을 위한 협의를 지속했으나 끝내 계약은 성사되지 못했다. Even on the December, IM participated for LG's events. Through this, IM believed in LG, refusing other offers from sponsors. Also, until the April of 2013, They continuously shared activities, and kept discussing for the renewal, but it failed. LG전자는 계약 연장 논의를 계약 만료기간 전후 2개월로 설정했고, 2012년 12월 말경 재계약으로 어렵다는 것을 통보했으니 “잘못한 것이 없다”라고 답변하고 있으나, 실제 재계약 논의기간 중 LG전자는 수차례 계약을 확약한 바 있고, 최종 재계약 불가를 양자가 모두 확실하게 인지한 시기는 2013년 4월로 재계약 논의기간이 4개월 더 지난 시점이었다. LG set the period of negotiation 2 months, and they notified that the renewal is difficult on the December, so they've done "nothing wrong", but during the period, LG continuously confirmed the contract, and the period that both of them recognized that the renewal was impossible was actually the April of 2013, four more months later. 협회는 해당내용을 모두 인지하고 실무차원에서 재계약이 원활히 이뤄질 수 있도록 LG전자와 IM팀을 중재하고자 했으나, LG전자는 기회비용 보상비 차원에서 천 만원 정도의 향후 행사약속 수준으로 무마시키고자 했다. The Association recognized all the facts above, and tried to arbitrate LG and IM, but LG tried to cover this up with a promise of events with a reward around $10, 000 Pay particular attention to the bottom half. Not sure if they got an agreement hashed out on paper with all the bells and whistles, but it definitely seems that IM thought the deal was in the bag, if not outright finalized. There was also the attempted bribe, if that sort of thing gets to you. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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bypLy
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JtoK
Germany232 Posts
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On October 24 2013 07:14 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Pay particular attention to the bottom half. Not sure if they got an agreement hashed out on paper with all the bells and whistles, but it definitely seems that IM thought the deal was in the bag, if not outright finalized. There was also the attempted bribe, if that sort of thing gets to you. The thing is. NO ONE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARES what IM thought. there is no contract nothing on paper. just words. like how stupid do you have to be to run around for months thinking you got a sponsor when u didn't even sign a contract. | ||
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