EPTCode S - Ro16 Group C Recap (Season 3) - Page 2
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
You see, in WoL, back in the winfestor/GGlord era, he managed to make it to the RO4 twice by all-inning every tvz. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that, at least, 80%-90% of his tvz was just pure all-in. So, Innovation in WoL was just as predictable as it is now, going for 3CC double ebay every single tvz. The guy is certainly skilled, nobody doubts that fact. But you can not really expect to dominate by just mechanics. That is the difference between Innovation and someone like DRG: strategy is just as important as mechanics. We have plenty of examples of that: Nestea, Mvp, even Elfi lol. That is why Innovation lacks the aura of a champion. Aura that someone like Life, for example, even in a slump, has. Or DRG. Or Mvp. Or even MMA. | ||
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julianto
2292 Posts
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
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Mairo
Sweden28 Posts
On September 28 2013 14:08 B_Type13X2 wrote: That's pretty much my opinion of it as well, I was trying to be polite to innovation though and give him the nod for atleast one matchup. To me the guy just seems to crumble, as was mentioned about his engagement vs. Soo he got frustrated and pretty much threw the game away. For a player to be the best in the world they also cannot become emotionally engrossed in the game, they have to make decisions independent of frustration, ego or anger. Innovation was lauded as a robotic player who played clean strong macro and made good decisions now were seeing those very real cracks. And he is a very good player but he should step back from tournaments for a few weeks and get his head screwed back on straight before he destroys his legacy before he builds it. I don't want to say it but what separates Innovation from players like Seed and Sniper right now? He won a major tournament, so did they, then they fell off a cliff right after. Is it his lingering before dying that somehow separates him? Someone else mentioned Roro in the same sentence as Seed and Sniper, if he is drawing that sort of comparison already why isn't innovation? Are you for real? Comparing Innovation to Seed and Sniper and using their ONE big tournament as an argument that they are on the same level is beyond ridiculous. What seperates him from them is that he still can take a series of everyone in the world and that his DOMINATION streak does not span from just one big tournament, his consistancy lasted for more than three months. | ||
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skyflyfish
Canada499 Posts
Poll: On a different note. who has best smile Mvp (18) polt (11) rotterdam (4) Kaelaris (1) 34 total votes Your vote: On a different note. who has best smile | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33705 Posts
On September 28 2013 15:59 skyflyfish wrote: Poll: On a different note. who has best smile Mvp (18) polt (11) rotterdam (4) Kaelaris (1) 34 total votes Your vote: On a different note. who has best smile DIMAGA | ||
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B_Type13X2
Canada122 Posts
On September 28 2013 15:56 Mairo wrote: Are you for real? Comparing Innovation to Seed and Sniper and using their ONE big tournament as an argument that they are on the same level is beyond ridiculous. What seperates him from them is that he still can take a series of everyone in the world and that his DOMINATION streak does not span from just one big tournament, his consistancy lasted for more than three months. And how long exactly has innovation lasted after his win? His consistency is one of someone who does the exact same thing and its being figured out. Once people have a road map on how to beat you and you don't make the changes you need to, well bye bye. And that's what innovation is right now figured out by players that are better then him. It doesn't matter if he can take a series off of anyone in the world if that's what mattered above all else then MVP would still be the consensus #1 in the world because even with his injuries he can take a series off of anyone and he almost did it to innovation. No ones calling him the #1 in the world anymore he's not even in the top 10 list. What were seeing is innovation fall into the rank of Elite player but not a special player. Don't be emotional about it as a fan look at where he is right now, this is SC2 a player is very much so of the moment and his moment may have passed him by unless he can adapt to the changing game. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12552 Posts
How does that relate? Well Inno is suffering this in an elongated way. He's been so hyped for so long, he's just not allowed to lose anymore unless he's underperforming. And if he's underperforming, woo, it's time for all the people who "knew all along" to show up. That shows so much disrespect in the effort it takes to be one of the best, or to beat one of the best. I have no idea why people see an upset and always go with "the loser sucks" instead of "the winner is amazing". People who do it on a consistent basis shouldn't consider themselves e-sports fans, and shouldn't be allowed to call themselves that. | ||
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JDI1
United States69 Posts
At least as part of Acer he can still make easy money off foreigners and less skilled Koreans. He's still mechanically superb, so he should still be around unless a massive meta shift comes. | ||
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Vete
Germany190 Posts
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
Once considered the heir to the Terran throne after Mvp’s voluntary exile to WCS EU, INnoVation has yet to fill the hole that Mvp left behind. That's a hole no-one will fill. Mvp will live on forever. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On September 28 2013 17:10 Vete wrote: I think the big diffrence is between MVP and Innovation is the releasing of replays after the Season. Inno's playstyle was analyzed by everyone. GOM had every video of every game avalible on demand. Not quite the same as a replay but close enough that it wouldn't matter IMO. Innovation has 1 build for each match up + rare cheeses. MVP had lots of builds for each and cheesed quite a bit. He was basiclly impossible to predict pre game. I bet Artosis could cast an innovation game blind folded and get it right | ||
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A_Scarecrow
Australia721 Posts
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ProTech
United States497 Posts
On September 28 2013 14:44 Apoteosis wrote: I dislike Innovation... he is predictable as hell. You see, in WoL, back in the winfestor/GGlord era, he managed to make it to the RO4 twice by all-inning every tvz. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that, at least, 80%-90% of his tvz was just pure all-in. So, Innovation in WoL was just as predictable as it is now, going for 3CC double ebay every single tvz. The guy is certainly skilled, nobody doubts that fact. But you can not really expect to dominate by just mechanics. That is the difference between Innovation and someone like DRG: strategy is just as important as mechanics. We have plenty of examples of that: Nestea, Mvp, even Elfi lol. That is why Innovation lacks the aura of a champion. Aura that someone like Life, for example, even in a slump, has. Or DRG. Or Mvp. Or even MMA. And by all in you sound like you're referring to " No skill play. " Hate to break it to you bro, but in " all in " doesn't mean the same thing in the foreign scene. Your " all-in " is their " Standard play. " You make it sound like " all in " makes someone a newbie at starcraft, it's actually rather annoying. | ||
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andilaama
Finland192 Posts
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
Well say what you want but mark my words : If you don't pray the bogus he will hunt you, find you and kill you during your sleep. The only way to survive is to accept him in your hearth and beg for his mercy. I wept, for I knew his words to be true | ||
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