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FoShao
United States256 Posts
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11B
United States188 Posts
INnoVation not-in WCS I don't understand this thread title. If I'm not mistaken Innovation lost 1-2 in his group and was eliminated. The title is very misleading. It should read "INnoVation eliminated from WCS because he was obviously participating. | ||
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Mairo
Sweden28 Posts
On September 28 2013 16:42 B_Type13X2 wrote: And how long exactly has innovation lasted after his win? His consistency is one of someone who does the exact same thing and its being figured out. Once people have a road map on how to beat you and you don't make the changes you need to, well bye bye. And that's what innovation is right now figured out by players that are better then him. It doesn't matter if he can take a series off of anyone in the world if that's what mattered above all else then MVP would still be the consensus #1 in the world because even with his injuries he can take a series off of anyone and he almost did it to innovation. No ones calling him the #1 in the world anymore he's not even in the top 10 list. What were seeing is innovation fall into the rank of Elite player but not a special player. Don't be emotional about it as a fan look at where he is right now, this is SC2 a player is very much so of the moment and his moment may have passed him by unless he can adapt to the changing game. You completely missed the point. The thing I reacted to was you comparing his skill to that of Seed and Sniper, two people nowhere close to the top-tier of elite players. Innovation is a very formidable opponent, the game he wins in is in 7/10 a complete domination, I simply can't get my head around how you think he is not in the top 10 list. He is competing in the most skilled region of them all. The time MVP was dominating in was when the game wasn't completely figured out. I can agree that his decision making is top 3 in the world, but to dominate then and to dominate now is two complete species, to be dominating now means you either have to play very gimmicky or simply outperform your opponents in basics in a time of ridicilously better players. Which Innovation does. And I'm not a hardcore fan of his, I'm simply reacting to your ridiculous train of thought. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
 I really think he's one of the better Protosses out there today he just didn't play as well as he could in this group. Props to Jjakji though! SoO continuing to beat favorites. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 28 2013 21:38 FFW_Rude wrote: OH yEAh Innovation is out ! Time for Flash to show who is the true terran god ! (please do not disapoint me !) It's 2011, baby, Flash is still playing BW, it's just Clide pretending to be Flash. | ||
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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
Also it seems that he is focusing more on fancy drop micro and stuff instead of fixing these errors. (again see akkilon game). TvT though is another storry but if you only had last to play against in the regular cirucumstances and now mma i think you will improve overtime. With only gstl for him to play in i really hope he fixes his mindset till blizzcon and his tvt with mma so he will rock at blizzcon again - tbh i have no doubt that he will do this  For all those ppl calling him "patch terran" or sth like this: Why are you so incredibly jaelaouse? If you win in SC 2 you played better than your opponent. If that is due to decision making in a crappy base trade or just mechanicly way superioir macro. He did this a very long time and is still a top notch player so stop the hate... my gosh. On September 28 2013 16:43 Nebuchad wrote: How does that relate? Well Inno is suffering this in an elongated way. He's been so hyped for so long, he's just not allowed to lose anymore unless he's underperforming. And if he's underperforming, woo, it's time for all the people who "knew all along" to show up. That shows so much disrespect in the effort it takes to be one of the best, or to beat one of the best. I have no idea why people see an upset and always go with "the loser sucks" instead of "the winner is amazing". People who do it on a consistent basis shouldn't consider themselves e-sports fans, and shouldn't be allowed to call themselves that. Brilliant post. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
On September 28 2013 18:23 Orcasgt24 wrote: Innovation has 1 build for each match up + rare cheeses. MVP had lots of builds for each and cheesed quite a bit. He was basiclly impossible to predict pre game. I bet Artosis could cast an innovation game blind folded and get it right Maybe that is not belonging here but is that not a problem of Terrans in general really? Expcept TvT you do not have much variety in doing builds and mostly everything except 11/11 and tvp scv pull are macro builds. So maybe terrans overall are too predictable. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13994 Posts
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holmesgenius
Vietnam65 Posts
INnoVation, the false idol? — Once considered the heir to the Terran throne after Mvp’s voluntary exile to WCS EU, INnoVation has yet to fill the hole that Mvp left behind. Yes, he was the best player in the world for a while and even now he still belongs to the top tier. But the marked difference between the two is that Mvp had those mysterious intangibles, while INnoVation is hopelessly predictable. Innovation won because he was mechanically superior to everyone else. Mvp won because he was Mvp. That's why i love MVP. Who will be the next MVP | ||
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
 INnoVation, the false idol? — Once considered the heir to the Terran throne after Mvp’s voluntary exile to WCS EU, INnoVation has yet to fill the hole that Mvp left behind. Yes, he was the best player in the world for a while and even now he still belongs to the top tier. But the marked difference between the two is that Mvp had those mysterious intangibles, while INnoVation is hopelessly predictable. Innovation won because he was mechanically superior to everyone else. Mvp won because he was Mvp. Them feels :') Mvp never forgotten in heart, the man and the myth. This is what happens when you gain your skills by cursing upon a cursed monkey paw bogus* ;D | ||
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ratbert
Germany1041 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On September 29 2013 01:22 ratbert wrote: how far did MVP go in WCS EU this season? :o What has that to do with anything? | ||
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Mairo
Sweden28 Posts
It gauges how well he is performing at the moment? | ||
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
On September 28 2013 18:28 ProTech wrote: And by all in you sound like you're referring to " No skill play. " Hate to break it to you bro, but in " all in " doesn't mean the same thing in the foreign scene. Your " all-in " is their " Standard play. " You make it sound like " all in " makes someone a newbie at starcraft, it's actually rather annoying. No it is not that. You need skill to create and execute an all-in. I am just pointing out the predictable style of Innovation. In WoL, he used the same style (all-in, timing pushes) in all matches. Now in HoTS, he uses another style every single match (3CC double ebay). | ||
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B_Type13X2
Canada122 Posts
On September 28 2013 19:43 Mairo wrote: You completely missed the point. The thing I reacted to was you comparing his skill to that of Seed and Sniper, two people nowhere close to the top-tier of elite players. Innovation is a very formidable opponent, the game he wins in is in 7/10 a complete domination, I simply can't get my head around how you think he is not in the top 10 list. He is competing in the most skilled region of them all. The time MVP was dominating in was when the game wasn't completely figured out. I can agree that his decision making is top 3 in the world, but to dominate then and to dominate now is two complete species, to be dominating now means you either have to play very gimmicky or simply outperform your opponents in basics in a time of ridicilously better players. Which Innovation does. And I'm not a hardcore fan of his, I'm simply reacting to your ridiculous train of thought. I'm going to stop you with the bolded part because I had already stated in this exact string of quotes that Innovation is a top 10 player just not top 5 anymore because he has been figured out. His TvT is figured out and with his latest batch of Zerg games its safe to say that that match up of his is figured out too. Keep track of what was said or its pointless to have a debate. And the comparison to Sniper and Seed comes from how for a short time period they were like it or not best in the world then they disappeared, they got figured out and that was it. You can say the same thing about Roro right now, my point was there's not alot stopping innovation from becoming just like those 3. He got figured out now he needs to adapt his game, if he doesn't we'll see him fall out of the top 10 players in the world and that will be fast coming as the availability of replays lets players make a template on just how to beat you. Is that not clear and understandable enough? | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
Literally nothing. ^_^ Haters just pressed that they can't be like Mvp. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On September 29 2013 03:52 Mairo wrote: It gauges how well he is performing at the moment? Which is totally irrelevant. | ||
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SeraNyan
United States16 Posts
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