Updated Balance Test Map - Page 11

On September 26 2013 12:22 Whitewing wrote:


Because zerg makes 10-20 of them at a time and protoss anti-air sucks complete ass?

On September 26 2013 04:19 awesomoecalypse wrote:


My favorite suggestion on the DT change was to tie it to researching charge. That is, charge not only improves base Zealot speed, but also buffs base DT speed. That way they're slightly better in the lategame, without being any stronger early on.

On September 26 2013 12:20 KirkSC wrote:
It seems David Kim is going to get off his ass and attempt to fix his broken game now.
It only took an entire month of record low stream viewership

On September 26 2013 12:26 Blargh1111 wrote:


That last idea is the best idea for a DT speed buff, however I think blizzard doesnt get that tanks are never going to be used unless they are worth using, you have to get 11 tank volleys off for this patch to even be relevant, meaning the only matchup where it matters is TvT. mixing tanks into bio mine will not happen, no one wants to make a unit that does way less for way more cost and way more supply, only reason bio tank was usable in Wings was because of the OPfestor, and better mutas means tanks are awful units now.

On September 26 2013 12:27 saddaromma wrote:

Question is, Is it already too late?

On September 26 2013 11:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:


Its not actually that weird. You could say that the spores are extra virulent in biological hosts causing them to be more damaging to non-mechanical units.

Ie; you get sick due to spores in the air.

It's only funny because it only affects 2 units in the whole game.... both zerg....

On September 26 2013 04:19 Hider wrote:
Not really a fan of the Oracle as a design. Revelation is just super boring ability, and I don't mind not seeing it very often (though protoss as a race is quite boring to watch so probably doesn't matter that much).

On September 26 2013 12:40 Nerevar wrote:

5 units including mutas, ovies, corruptors, broodlords, and overseers.

More if you include neuraling a probe, rebuilding the protoss tech tree up to stargate, and using phoenixes to pick up any number of ground-based biological units.

On September 26 2013 12:44 BronzeKnee wrote:


The Oracle is a terrible design. Protoss already has it's gimmick unit with the DT, and the Oracle is redundant. If your opponent isn't prepared and doesn't scout well, you'll do a lot of damage. If your opponent is prepared, you're just behind.

On September 26 2013 13:00 Loccstana wrote:
Where is the 50% area nerf for storm and banelings? How about reverting the siege tank damage nerfs first? Why not give Banshee's 4 speed as well for the lulz?

On September 26 2013 12:56 Nightsz wrote:
wonder if we're eventually gonna see the factory and starport merged into one building, lol

The BW tank dealt 70 (75% vs medium, 50% vs small) damage with a cooldown of 75 in siege mode. In SC2 time, that would mean a cooldown of 4.3 and brings us to the dps:

0 attack: 16.3/12.2/8.1
1 attack: 17.4/13.1/8.7
2 attack: 18.6/14.0/9.3
3 attack: 19.8/14.8/9.9

The SC2 tank deals 35 (+15 armored) damage with a cooldown of 3 (currently) in siege mode, which means a dps of:

0 attack: 11.7/17.7
1 attack: 12.7/18.4
2 attack: 13.7/20.1
3 attack: 14.7/21.8

As you can see, it's already much higher then the BW tank in nearly every respect. With the attack speed change from 3 to 2.7 though:

0 attack: 13.0/18.5
1 attack: 14.1/20.4
2 attack: 15.2/22.2
3 attack: 16.3/24.1

Now it's even higher, the normal damage being higher then the medium damage with the BW tank. The SC2 tank also has 10 more health, 1 more range, and waaaay more dps in tank mode. So if you asked me, I'd say the Crucio Siege Tank is better then the Arclite Siege Tank.