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PineapplePizza
United States749 Posts
On September 26 2013 09:52 rd wrote: They avoid doing changes where units have unintuitive special cases and don't function as described. If they don't do it, then mech has no future in the matchup. | ||
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SicPro
United States202 Posts
But no DT change because everyone whined about it. So Zerg and Terran should be able to do devastating damage with their respective Mutas and drops, yet when the thought of buffing one of the very few good forms of harass for toss everyone freaks out and they decide to not even bother testing it. Great, buff the oracle some more..... Then they build two turrets and its completely worthless. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On September 26 2013 09:56 PineapplePizza wrote: If they don't do it, then mech has no future in the matchup. Fine by me. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On September 26 2013 09:56 SicPro wrote: But no DT change because everyone whined about it. So Zerg and Terran should be able to do devastating damage with their respective Mutas and drops, yet when the thought of buffing one of the very few good forms of harass for toss everyone freaks out and they decide to not even bother testing it. Great, buff the oracle some more..... Then they build two turrets and its completely worthless. "yet when the thought of buffing one of the very few good forms of harass for toss everyone freaks out and they decide to not even bother testing it." "Great, buff the oracle some more..... Then they build two turrets and its completely worthless" The irony. Complaining before even testing / before all the changes are done. | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On September 26 2013 09:27 beesinyoface wrote: Ah yes, good goy, keep buffing Protoss because they really need it. They're not trying to "buff" protoss; they're trying to make a build viable that doesn't involve the same units in every matchup/composition. But you're right, just fix/change every other race because protoss is perfect and shouldn't be tweaked whatsoever. Great logic there, bud. | ||
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Dogfood
8 Posts
On September 26 2013 09:52 rd wrote: They avoid doing changes where units have unintuitive special cases and don't function as described. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Spore_Crawler | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On September 26 2013 09:27 beesinyoface wrote: Ah yes, good goy, keep buffing Protoss because they really need it. They're buffing every race though, so you can't really tell how the resulting balance will look like. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On September 26 2013 10:11 ZenithM wrote: They're buffing every race though, so you can't really tell how the resulting balance will look like. Exactly. Honestly, game balance at the moment is not bad, if you look purely at winrates. But what is bad, is the diversity in a number of matchups. PvT in particular has been the same damn thing basically since the WoL beta, and the only major change has been Terrans countering the addition of the Mothership Core by adding SCV all-ins. In terms of tech and units though, its always been gateway+robo vs. bio+medivacs and vikings. Making mech and stargate better is necessary if they ever want to fix that. This is the first step.. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On September 26 2013 09:56 PineapplePizza wrote: If they don't do it, then mech has no future in the matchup. For this statement to be true would require the original quoted statement to be correct. Which it isn't. "They avoid doing changes where units have unintuitive special cases and don't function as described." | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
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Nerevar
547 Posts
On September 26 2013 09:52 rd wrote: They avoid doing changes where units have unintuitive special cases and don't function as described. Widow Mines deal +damage vs shields. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On September 26 2013 09:56 SicPro wrote:But no DT change because everyone whined about it. So Zerg and Terran should be able to do devastating damage with their respective Mutas and drops, yet when the thought of buffing one of the very few good forms of harass for toss everyone freaks out and they decide to not even bother testing it. Great, buff the oracle some more..... Then they build two turrets and its completely worthless. Oracle will be as fast as mutalisks, deals more devastating damage than mutalisks has most of the health regen of mutalisks yet oracles suck and mutas OP. I know they are different units and all, but the oracle changes are going to be scary. | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:20 a176 wrote: how are you supposed to micro against AA that has over twice the range of pulsar beam Lol, what are mutas? | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
So the answer is to make 20-30 oracles to snipe towers  | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On September 26 2013 11:18 Thieving Magpie wrote: So the answer is to make 20-30 oracles to snipe towers ding ding ding we have a winner!! :D | ||
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hli
Canada32 Posts
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vhapter
Brazil677 Posts
Blizzard should make stargate tech less one dimensional in PvT and turned oracles into a truly useful unit if they want oracles to become popular. Revelation doesn't help much in the mid game if you're good at defending. In macro PvT, they feel like wasted resources nowadays. Buffing things such as the range of revelation or something is an interesting choice though. It could be a super awesome spellcaster if given more useful abilities. Why not give it a new lategame spell that requires a fleet beacon or a fleet beacon upgrade? Something cool and useful, but not op. Or maybe allow protoss to morph it into a more useful unit mid-late game unit or something - e.g. remove pulsar beam and give it a new skill. I hope oracles will not ruin PvP, because they represent a huge gamble in the matchup - they can cost you the game in stargate mirror, yet they can be a build order win depending on how you play against someone that went 1 gate FE. Buffing their speed will only make these silly all ins stronger. If they were just a safe harassment rather than such an extreme unit, it wouldn't matter much. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
Then afterwards figure out how to make PvP less of a cesspool without such a bludgeon of a solution which describes the MSC's role. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On September 26 2013 06:59 Wingblade wrote: A good Terran opponent that scans regularly makes observer usage more difficult, the revelation is a more sure fire but skillful way of keeping tabs on an army. hm, this is true. I hadn't thought of it that way! | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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