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WCS EU Ro32 - Group D Recap/Group E Preview

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WCS EU Ro32 - Group D Recap/Group E Preview

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September 11th, 2013 07:08 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 3



Ro32 Group D Recap
Genius and Starbuck Advance

Ro32 Group E Preview
Welmu, Bling, Thorzain, Slivko

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

VODs on Youtube

Ro32 Group D Recap

(P)Genius and (Z)Starbuck Advance

by Plexa

Season 3 claimed two more fan favorites yesterday – both Grubby and Lucifron fell to the rising talent Starbuck. Genius topped the group defeating Grubby 2-1 and Lucifron 2-0. The big surprise of the group was Starbuck rallying back 2-1 against Lucifron after losing to him in their first meeting 0-2 in one sided games.

Ro32 - Group D
1.(P)Genius2-0 (4-1)
2.(Z)Starbuck2-1 (4-3)
3.(T)LucifroN1-2 (3-4)
4.(P)Grubby0-2 (1-4)

Detailed results from the live report thread by Lorning
+ Show Spoiler +

Grubby vs Genius
(P)Grubby <Akilon Wastes> (P)Genius
(P)Grubby <Bel'Shir Vestige> (P)Genius
(P)Grubby <Yeonsu> (P)Genius

(P)Genius wins 2-1!

Starbuck vs LucifroN
(Z)Starbuck <Bel'Shir Vestige> (T)LucifroN
(Z)Starbuck <Yeonsu> (T)LucifroN
(Z)Starbuck <> (T)LucifroN

(T)LucifroN wins 2-0!

Winners' Match
(P)Genius <Yeonsu> (T)LucifroN
(P)Genius <Whirlwind> (T)LucifroN
(P)Genius <> (T)LucifroN

(P)Genius wins 2-0!

Losers' Match
(P)Grubby <Derelict Watcher> (Z)Starbuck
(P)Grubby <Yeonsu> (Z)Starbuck
(P)Grubby <> (Z)Starbuck

(Z)Starbuck wins 2-0!

Final Match
(T)LucifroN <Bel'Shir Vestige> (Z)Starbuck
(T)LucifroN <Akilon Wastes> (Z)Starbuck
(T)LucifroN <Frost> (Z)Starbuck

(Z)Starbuck wins 2-1!



(P)Genius and (Z)Starbuck advance to WCS EU Premier RO16!


As predicted in our Group D preview, the Genius/Grubby match was an exceptionally close affair. Grubby opened the night with a win against Genius in a long macro game. Both sides jostled for position with maxed armies until Grubby took a gamble by taking a fifth base before Genius. Rather than play catchup, Genius decided to act to shut the base down which allowed Grubby to catch Genius' army out of position and gain a large advantage. With a superior economy and better army Genius could do nothing but concede.

The second game was rather similar in the sense that it ended up as another long macro game, but there was one key difference; Grubby added void rays to his army. Genius was able to catch Grubby’s army horribly out of position and annihilate it and cruised to a victory in game 2. To close out the series, Genius used a very well thought out cannon rush on Yeonsu which, to me, tells me he took preparing for this series seriously. Grubby missed the cannons and couldn’t do anything to save the situation.

The first set of games between Lucifron and Starbuck were, bluntly, an abysmal showing from Starbuck. Later on we’d learn through his interview that he was nervous and not playing his best. But in two macro games Lucifron was able to assert dominance and cruise to the winners match with no problem.

Lucifron’s TvP has been his Achilles heel for some time now, and the winners match vs Genius indicated that this is still the case. The first game of the series was a rather haphazard proxy reaper-proxy mine strategy. Genius did an excellent job not taking damage from the early reapers and completely denied any significant damage from the mines. He also had a pylon across the other side the map which he used to warp in a handful of units into Lucifrons empty main and strolled to an easy victory. The second game had Genius become the aggressor with a gateway timing off of two base. Despite Lucifron scouting it and getting bunkers up in time, Genius was able to walk right past them and into his main. From that point he was able to pick away at stuff until Lucifron rolled over and conceded.

My preview mentioned that Starbuck was exceptionally strong vs Protoss and his series against Grubby was a validation of that. In two monster macro games, Starbuck was able to show the world that he means business. The first game had Starbuck use +1 attack zergling aggression to stall Grubby’s third base. The pressure on Grubby's third gave way to a gap in his natural wall, which allowed Starbuck to kill of a handful of workers. The game progressed to where Starbuck was able to soft contain Grubby to the point where Grubby had one big push left in him. Grubby pushed to take out Starbuck’s fifth, but Starbuck was able to get an amazing surround and take the win.

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The second game between Grubby and Starbuck was an excellent one

The second game on Yeonsu was an exhilarating match the moment Grubby moved out with a warpgate timing attack. Starbuck and Grubby fought tensely for position over the technical landscape. Grubby conducted some good zealot harass while Starbuck used vipers well to deny Grubby from getting a scary colossus count. Eventually Starbuck won the war of positioning when he was able to secure the space between Grubby’s third and fourth (pictured above) with a broodlord/ultra/viper/hydra maxed army. This positional advantage was translated into a series win, and another shot at Lucifron.

Despite being pegged as a cheesy player, it was only in this final set against Lucifron that he turned on the cheese. The first match saw him use a well timed roach/bane attack to gain a significant worker lead. While Lucifron played an exceptional game from this point, he was unable to recover from the severe worker deficit and eventually conceded. The second game had Starbuck attempt to do a one base roach rush – Lucifron scouted it early and crushed it with relative ease.

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The final game of the night on Frost

The final game of the night was without doubt the best game of the night, and possibly the best game of the tournament so far. Lucifron and Starbuck engaged in an all out macro war on Frost. While both sides made mistakes during the match, it was a superb game of Starcraft. Lucifron did his best Innovation impression with a scary 4M push coupled with tons of harass trying to shut down Starbuck’s fourth/fifth bases. Starbuck fought back with muta/ling/bane and eventually moved into ultralisks. He too did a ton of counter attacking and harass which eventually took the wind out of the sails of Lucifron’s 4M push. From there he was just able to eek out a memorable win. If Frost continues to create such epic games with back and forth action, I hope it sticks around for a while.

With both Grubby and Lucifron out of contention for a top 16 spot, it seems very unlikely that we’ll have any non-Korean representation at the grand finals. I have to admit, this does make me a little bit sad. But it isn’t the fault of the lack of a region lock or anything like that that has caused this. Europe failed to hold against itself: Naniwa fell to Targa, Grubby and Lucifron fell to Starbuck while Happy and Showtime were able to successfully defeat their Korean opponents. The problem with the players who have done well in WCS EU is that they have lacked the consistency required to perform for a full year (or build up enough of a buffer in a single season to make it through). Perhaps this speaks to the volatility of Starcraft 2 or perhaps it simply reflects just how competitive Europe is as a region.

Group E Preview: Welmu, Bling, Thorzain, Slivko

by Plexa

Group E goes live in


Group E may not be the most interesting of groups on first appearance, but I wager that this group will produce the closest matches we’ve seen in the tournament so far. (P)BlinG is probably playing the best Starcraft of his career right now, while (P)Welmu is arguably the best non-Korean Protoss in Europe (alongside Naniwa). (T)ThorZaIN, despite returning to school, could bring out another big tournament run like we know he’s capable of doing. (Z)sLivko is one of the most under rated Zergs in Europe who made it into this tournament with wins over Nerchio and Genius.

To open the night we’ll have Bling and Welmu going head to head in what should be another very difficult to predict series. I wouldn’t have thought that this series would be close if this was being played last season, but Bling has really stepped up his game recently. Within the last two months he’s taken wins over Mana, Babyknight and San which makes me more than a little nervous for Welmu. Welmu is certainly a capable PvP player – you don’t take games off of MC and Rain by being bad at the matchup – but I’m not totally sure that he can get past Bling with ease. Still, I feel Welmu is the better player and will narrowly edge out Bling 2-1.

Slivko and Thorzain should also be a close encounter, but for the opposite reason tot he previous series. Both Slivko and Thorzain haven’t been playing as well, relative to their skill earlier in the year, and thus it’s difficult to predict who’s going to show up with better form. I concede that both players did qualify for the tournament and that that counts for something – but for Slivko those games were a month ago and prior to Thorzain’s 2-1 2-1 in his challenger group he had a winrate of around 40%. With that in mind, and factoring in the survival rates of fan favorites this season, I’m going to predict a narrow victory for Slivko.

With how Bling and Welmu have been playing recently, I expect them to be able to defeat whoever they come up against in their respective matches. Both players have looked better than the other two recently, hence I expect close but clear victories. I guess the exception to this prediction would be if Thorzin wins his games against Slivko in impressive fashion. That would indicate that an in form Thorzain is around and with PvT being Welmu’s statistically worst matchup, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Thorzain win in this instance. That said, I don’t think that Thorzain is at peak form, and I don’t think that this scenario will eventuate.

Prediction:
Welmu 2-1 Bling
Thorzain 1-2 Slivko
Welmu 2-0 Slivko
Thorzain 0-2 Bling
Bling 2-1 Slivko

Welmu and Bling to Advance

Upcoming Groups
Sept 12: (P)HasuObs, (P)Shuttle, (P)TitaN, (Z)Nerchio
Sept 17: (T)MMA, (P)TAiLS, (P)BabyKnight, (T)KrasS
Sept 18: (P)MC, (Z)FireCake, (P)StarDust, (T)Kas


More WCS Europe Season 3 Coverage

Oct 6 – WCS EU Season 3 RO8 Recap/Final Day Preview
Oct 5 – WCS EU Season 3 RO8 Preview
Sept 30 – WCS EU Season 3 RO16 D Recap/RO8 Bracket
Sept 27 – WCS EU Season 3 RO16 Group C Recap/Group D Preview
Sept 26 – WCS EU Season 3 RO16 Group B Recap/Group C Preview


Writers: Plexa
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Banner photo: ESL
Editor: Plexa.

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Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
September 11 2013 07:30 GMT
#2
Oh yea first to post. thorzain looked like he put on some weight. lol
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Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
September 11 2013 07:52 GMT
#3
Welmu and slivko will advance and the playoffs wil get a total of seventeen viewers...
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 07:52:51
September 11 2013 07:52 GMT
#4
I hope the games are quick >=P
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 11 2013 08:06 GMT
#5
Welmu have his long time disease active again. He already had to take week off before season 2 finals.
He needs to take some medicine to veins throught injection so he might not be able to go DH bucharest.

And uni also is running again. So Welmu dont have so much time anymore.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 08:11:56
September 11 2013 08:11 GMT
#6
On September 11 2013 16:52 Vorenius wrote:
Welmu and slivko will advance and the playoffs wil get a total of seventeen viewers...

Few more koreans and playoffs will get total of seven viewers.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
September 11 2013 08:38 GMT
#7
Slivko and Thor gogo guys!
EinHeld
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany11 Posts
September 11 2013 08:42 GMT
#8
I am really looking forward to a strong RO16 group with Showtime, Starbuck, Krass and Firecake...
*Sarkasm off
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
September 11 2013 08:45 GMT
#9
lets see if welmu can pull it off again
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
MuMeise
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany81 Posts
September 11 2013 09:24 GMT
#10
welmu best foreigner toss.... don't get me wrong but lol. he is surely good. but in terms of results and consistency he is nowhere nere Naniwa or HasuObs or even Mana...

He won last season against hasuobs... but honestly... this is PvP and HasuObs didn't sleep the night before...
I would still go for HasuObs as the second best after Naniwa... Welmu is like I said sure good... but second best? really how did you come up with this?

HasuObs won ESL Summer, and goes to WCG china... what exactly did welmu really achieve beside last season WCS where he got only one place ahead of hasu?
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
September 11 2013 09:32 GMT
#11
I am the only one here that find that the only really entertaining season of WCS eu was the first one. All the Ro8 players where some kind of emblematic players of Europe scene +MVP and u wanted to cheer for lots of them.

In this season i don't find anyone to cheer for, i just don't care who wins anymore and makes all the matches really boring. Seriously besides Vortix, Happy and ForGG all others are just unknown players with no history yet.

Last season was horrible too. with only PvP all the time and a code B korean wining the thing at the end it makes the whole thing not very interesting.

I hope some european players will gain some consistency to make it more fun. Damn I miss stephano he didn't find a rightful successor yet in Europe.

WCS america on the other hand is becoming more interesting season after season with lots of good players and amazing games and even some performing foreigners like scarlett or jim you want to cheer for.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 10:18:49
September 11 2013 10:18 GMT
#12
On September 11 2013 18:24 MuMeise wrote:
welmu best foreigner toss.... don't get me wrong but lol. he is surely good. but in terms of results and consistency he is nowhere nere Naniwa or HasuObs or even Mana...

He won last season against hasuobs... but honestly... this is PvP and HasuObs didn't sleep the night before...
I would still go for HasuObs as the second best after Naniwa... Welmu is like I said sure good... but second best? really how did you come up with this?

HasuObs won ESL Summer, and goes to WCG china... what exactly did welmu really achieve beside last season WCS where he got only one place ahead of hasu?


consistency? Are you talking to me about consistency of naniwa? Or MaNa? And I though that they were the most unconsistency players. They can shine or be trash. Welmu has been improving all the time but I fear that this cant continue coz his school continued.

ESL Summer is just for germans right? Finland didnt have WCG quals. You put up tournament so we can see how welmu makes money?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
MuMeise
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany81 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 12:16:53
September 11 2013 12:07 GMT
#13
On September 11 2013 19:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 18:24 MuMeise wrote:
welmu best foreigner toss.... don't get me wrong but lol. he is surely good. but in terms of results and consistency he is nowhere nere Naniwa or HasuObs or even Mana...

He won last season against hasuobs... but honestly... this is PvP and HasuObs didn't sleep the night before...
I would still go for HasuObs as the second best after Naniwa... Welmu is like I said sure good... but second best? really how did you come up with this?

HasuObs won ESL Summer, and goes to WCG china... what exactly did welmu really achieve beside last season WCS where he got only one place ahead of hasu?


consistency? Are you talking to me about consistency of naniwa? Or MaNa? And I though that they were the most unconsistency players. They can shine or be trash. Welmu has been improving all the time but I fear that this cant continue coz his school continued.

ESL Summer is just for germans right? Finland didnt have WCG quals. You put up tournament so we can see how welmu makes money?



naniwa is maybe not always top 10... but he qualifies or gets high results each year... and this is consistent enough for me... dreamhack 2nd place etc.


and I never said welmu was bad.. but I just ask the question: how do you see welmu a better player than HasuObs? I don't see it honestly. I took a look at hasus ladder results also there he beat Welmu quite a few times... ok Welmu also beat hasuObs... but like I said... this is PvP ... coin Flip. And hasu Beat MVP last season offline without Korea LAG ...and this is something not many people can say.

hasus GM Ladder resulsts are in July/August about 75% winrate all over... sorry but I just want to know:
what are the points that lead to the assumption Welmu is the best foreigner toss? At least hasu has tournaments that he can show.. Welmu can not... and to say: hey welmu didn't have the tournaments... yeah welll can be, but that doesn't make him the better player o_0


this: is the best foreigner is such a stupid thing to say imho... sc2 is so fragile in terms of results.. could be that welmu OR hasuobs don't even make it out of R32... and what then... is showtime the best toss or what...
stupid really
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 12:28:09
September 11 2013 12:26 GMT
#14
On September 11 2013 17:11 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 16:52 Vorenius wrote:
Welmu and slivko will advance and the playoffs wil get a total of seventeen viewers...

Few more koreans and playoffs will get total of seven viewers.


How many times must we refute this silly stupid argument? If you look at the viewership of any tournament, the numbers rise steadily from day to day and from the beginning of a day till the end, culminating in the grand final, regardless of who plays. Foreigners playing or even winning has nothing to do with it.

Edit: On topic, interesting group, no real favorite for me, I guess I'll cheer for BlinG, hope we can see entertaining games all around.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 12:43:57
September 11 2013 12:43 GMT
#15


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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 13:02:14
September 11 2013 12:57 GMT
#16
Thanks for the preview/recap!
On September 11 2013 17:06 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Welmu have his long time disease active again. He already had to take week off before season 2 finals.
He needs to take some medicine to veins throught injection so he might not be able to go DH bucharest.

And uni also is running again. So Welmu dont have so much time anymore.

I hope he can make it through his health problems and win his group.
Moderatorlickypiddy
holmesgenius
Profile Joined February 2013
Vietnam65 Posts
September 11 2013 13:09 GMT
#17
I am the only one here that find that the only really entertaining season of WCS eu was the first one. All the Ro8 players where some kind of emblematic players of Europe scene +MVP and u wanted to cheer for lots of them.

In this season i don't find anyone to cheer for, i just don't care who wins anymore and makes all the matches really boring. Seriously besides Vortix, Happy and ForGG all others are just unknown players with no history yet.

Last season was horrible too. with only PvP all the time and a code B korean wining the thing at the end it makes the whole thing not very interesting.

I hope some european players will gain some consistency to make it more fun. Damn I miss stephano he didn't find a rightful successor yet in Europe.

WCS america on the other hand is becoming more interesting season after season with lots of good players and amazing games and even some performing foreigners like scarlett or jim you want to cheer for.


Agree. WCS EU eliminates good player...'cuz LAG.
Terran imbalance ---- Zerg wins ---- Protoss advances
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 11 2013 13:17 GMT
#18
Predicting more WCS EU PvP with Bling and Welmu to advance.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 11 2013 13:59 GMT
#19
On September 11 2013 18:32 klup wrote:
I am the only one here that find that the only really entertaining season of WCS eu was the first one. All the Ro8 players where some kind of emblematic players of Europe scene +MVP and u wanted to cheer for lots of them.

In this season i don't find anyone to cheer for, i just don't care who wins anymore and makes all the matches really boring. Seriously besides Vortix, Happy and ForGG all others are just unknown players with no history yet.

Last season was horrible too. with only PvP all the time and a code B korean wining the thing at the end it makes the whole thing not very interesting.

I hope some european players will gain some consistency to make it more fun. Damn I miss stephano he didn't find a rightful successor yet in Europe.

WCS america on the other hand is becoming more interesting season after season with lots of good players and amazing games and even some performing foreigners like scarlett or jim you want to cheer for.

That's not true at all.
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 11 2013 14:23 GMT
#20
Thorzain and Welmu is my prediction.
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