• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:08
CEST 17:08
KST 00:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)12Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week2Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025) Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ bonjwa.tv: my AI project that translates BW videos StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest ASL20 Preliminary Maps
Tourneys
[BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - LB Round 4 & 5 [ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Pro Gamers Cope with Str…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 34001 users

WCS EU Ro16 - Group C Recap/Group D Preview

Forum Index > SC2 General
15 CommentsPost a Reply

WCS EU Ro16 - Group C Recap/Group D Preview

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byshiroiusagi
September 27th, 2013 12:20 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 3



Ro16 Group C Recap
Genius and Nerchio Advance

Ro16 Group D Preview
MMA, Titan, Duckdeok, Starbuck

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

VODs on Youtube

Ro16 Group C Recap

(P)Genius and (Z)Nerchio Advance

by lichter

Another group done, and a new pattern emerges: so far, a Zerg and a Protoss have made it out of each group. Genius and Nerchio advanced from Group C giving us 3 Zergs and 3 Protoss so far in the Round of 8, with MMA still to play. Many expected ForGG, as one of the strongest Terrans in Europe, to scrape past this group, but he was unable to get past Genius and Nerchio after winning his first match.

Ro16 - Group C
1.(P)Genius2-0 (4-0)
2.(Z)Nerchio2-1 (4-2)
3.(T)ForGG1-2 (2-5)
4.(P)ShoWTimE0-2 (1-4)

Detailed results from the live report thread by Denar
+ Show Spoiler +

ForGG vs ShoWTimE
(T)ForGG (P)ShoWTimE
(T)ForGG (P)ShoWTimE
(T)ForGG (P)ShoWTimE

(T)ForGG wins 2-1!

Genius vs Nerchio
(P)Genius (Z)Nerchio
(P)Genius (Z)Nerchio
(P)Genius (Z)Nerchio

(P)Genius wins 2-0!

Winners' Match
(T)ForGG (P)Genius
(T)ForGG (P)Genius
(T)ForGG (P)Genius

(P)Genius wins 2-0!

Losers' Match
(P)ShoWTimE (Z)Nerchio
(P)ShoWTimE (Z)Nerchio
(P)ShoWTimE (Z)Nerchio

(Z)Nerchio wins 2-0!

Final Match
(T)ForGG (Z)Nerchio
(T)ForGG (Z)Nerchio
(T)ForGG (Z)Nerchio

(Z)Nerchio wins 2-0!



(P)Genius and (Z)Nerchio advance to WCS EU Premier Ro8!


The opening game of the opening series was held on Derelict Watcher between the Korean Terran ForGG faced rgw German Protoss ShowTime; who had previously upset Mvp in the Round of 32. The latter would not upset again, although he did put up a good fight in his first series of the day. Game 1 was a fairly straight forward win for ForGG: His 3 Medivac drop and poke at the front confused ShowTime long enough for his stimmed bio to take out every Gateway in the main, and with no unit production, it was game over. ForGG went for the same 3cc build on Akilon Wastes to follow it up, but ShowTime's miraculous hold despite losing his third gave him the time to catch up and get storm. The Korean Terran's insistence of using hellbats instead of ghosts was his downfall as storms rained on his army, evaporating all the bio. ForGG would shut the door on ShowTime's upset on Whirlwind, finding a favorable engagement in the middle of the Protoss natural and third to overwhelm the latter's army. Millenium's Ace would wait anxiously for his next opponent, hoping to avoid Nerchio in his worst matchup.

He would not have to wait long as Genius dispatched of Nerchio in only 20 minutes. Genius showed he deserved his name on Frost, completely duping the Polish Zerg with a Stargate fake--only 1 phoenix!--into 6gate attack. Nerchio was caught with his pants down, and that was game. Bel'shir Vestige offered a similar approach from Genius, but Nerchio did himself no favors with a poor defense of the initial Warp Prism harass. What was supposed to be a distraction for the follow up immortal push netted 14 drone kills, 2 queens, and a lot of units. The push came, Nerchio didn't have enough, gg.

This meant that we would have a Korean Winner's Match, and despite getting his preferred matchup, ForGG failed to capitalize on it. Genius trumped him 2-0 to advance in first place. The first game on Bel'shir started quietly, but things came to a head when ForGG outright killed Genius' building third. This did leave his vikings out of position, losing quite a few and forcing a quick retreat. With only 2 vikings left, ForGG could not stop the counterattack and lost his own third base. Another nexus would soon be denied due to a 4 medivac drop while Genius' entire army was on the other side of the map. But this seemingly decisive advantage was thrown away with a poor attack into the Protoss natural. ForGG trapped himself between storms and a ramp and sacrificed his whole army for nothing, and Genius' deathball rolled through for the win. Genius' short day ended soon after on Akilon Wastes. His early gateway timing went unscouted, and a poor moveout by ForGG offered 8 marines and a marauder for free. A few more warp ins against a desperate but barely full bunker spelled doom for the Terran, and Genius was out of the group in only 40 minutes.

[image loading]

Genius Crashes Through ForGG

Once again ForGG would have to wait for his next opponent, fearful of facing Nerchio in an unfavorable matchup or another set against ShowTime. Unfortunately for him, the Acer Zerg would triumph in 2 interesting games. Derelict Watcher featured a unique zergling corruptor attack from Nerchio, an attempt to rid ShowTime's anti-air before the mutalisk switch. The attack did nothing, but the mutas still proved to be effective. ShowTime repeatedly failed to deal with Nerchio's air raids, and the dance continued until ShowTime could take it no longer and moved out on the map. Both players decided to finally engage, but Nerchio's comfortable 6 bases could not be stopped. The German was on the ropes, his dreams of going further resting on his performance on Whirlwind. And while it was an admirable one, he would fall short of another memorable upset. His build of choice with his tournament life on the line was an oracle into voidrays and an 8 minute third base. Nerchio responded correctly with zergling pressure to eliminate sentries and forcefields, and followed it up with a massive hydra push. ShowTime played his defense patiently, but excellent positioning by Nerchio in the gap between the third and the natural and a fantastic concave could not be denied. The Polish Zerg smirked in delight as he would go on to face ForGG for a spot in the Round of 8.

[image loading]

Oh, ForGG is next?

Polar Night was the scene of the first game of the last set of the evening, both players choosing to be cautious: ForGG opened with a reaper expand while Nerchio drone scouted around his base. The former did not deviate from standard play, but Nerchio's odd build confounded even 'Grupollo'. A big stockpile of gas very early looked like an odd choice, perhaps an early spire or roach bane all in, but Nerchio's delayed third worked out in the end. His usage of roaches was able to inflict damage on ForGG's third, and the eventual speed roach bane attacks constantly kept the Terran on 2 bases. Nerchio's never ending aggression wore down ForGG's economy while he teched up to ultralisks, and despite a sky covered with medivacs, it wasn't enough as he ran dry and could not replenish his army. Nerchio would repeat that feat on Derelict Watcher. 2 quick gasses were invested in early double ranged upgrades and a quick lair, while ForGG once again played standard. It looked similar to game one as Nerchio stockpiled gas, but +1 melee and a hydralisk den soon started, yet without ling speed. It was another perplexing build by the Acer player, but a 13 minute roach hydra max that lined up with roach speed and hydra range revealed his plans: a big attack before the Terran could consolidate his defense. It was 200 vs 130 supply with slightly better upgrades, and it did not look close. The Pole steamrolled through the front, and ForGG gave up on his faint dreams of Blizzcon.

Nerchio once again looked impressive despite a loss in his initial match, much like his performance in the Round of 32. He'll have to avoid these slow starts in the knockout rounds if he wants to reach the season finals. He is joined in advancing by Genius, who looked dominant in his brief 40 minute appearance. It was barely a glimpse of the teamless Protoss, but a solid advertisement of his winning talents. Should he make it far this season, it will be difficult to imagine him remaining without a few big offers by the time the Season Finals start.

Group D Preview: MMA, Titan, duckdeok, Starbuck

by DarkLordOlli

Group D goes live in


WCS EU enters the finale of the Ro16 with the two Koreans MMA and Duckdeok going up against Starbuck and Titan respectively. Everything's on the line - bragging rights, qualification for next season and the season finals and the chance at big glory.

There's No Stopping Now
The Son of Boxer has returned. Not as mighty and powerful as he once was but there's no denying that MMA is back. He's still improving as we speak and he's still far from where he used to be but he's back. Cruising through his Ro32 group without dropping a map. Reaching the Ro4 at Dreamhack, barely losing to Innovation. Being a key ingredient to Acer's team league strength. Those three feats he's achieved recently and the still rising trend make me favor him over the other three players in his group, especially as he has an easier first match (on paper) against Starbuck than his Protoss opposition who both must be worried about possible crazyness in the PvP mirror. If MMA just brings his A-game, that should be enough. Right?

Next-gen Special Tactics?
But didn't we say the same about Lucifron and Grubby? Both of them were favored against Starbuck and they both didn't play terribly. Starbuck just had an extremely impressive showing in the Ro32, bouncing back from a defeat at the hands of Lucifron to take down Grubby 2-0 and get his revenge against the Spaniard in the deciding match. Starbuck initially became known for unorthodox, aggressive strategies but demonstrated that he can keep up with Europe's best in macro games as well. Starbuck is still not favored to make it out of this group by any means but he's already overcome that situation more than once. Otherwise he wouldn't be here among Europe's best 16 of the season.

Smart, Reactionary, Conservative
I have to say though, I personally was most surprised to see Titan top his Ro32 group. I did not believe in him enough and I have to apologize for that. But I feel like I may be forgiven considering that Titan himself probably felt he wasn't performing too well. He even went on to say that he'd have taken drastic steps back from SC2 if he hadn't advanced from his group, indicating that he was well aware of his overall performance in HotS. And yet, Titan looked very solid as he fought his way through Nerchio and HasuObs. Especially in the PvP series against the German, Titan showcased a smart, reactionary and adaptive style. Against the Yeonsu cannon rush for example, he simply gave up his main base, re-expanded to his natural, used his mothership core to force a defensive cannon and came out at least even, eventually winning the game with far superior immortal numbers. Reactionary, safe PvP? You may have noticed by now. That's probably exactly what you want against MVP.duckdeok, his first opponent in the group.

Finale
There's very little to tell you at this point about duckdeok. Everyone who has followed WCS EU last season, at the Season 2 Finals and this Season as well as anyone who has followed duckdeok in the past knows how he plays by now. He is an extremely aggressive player. He will try to exploit any edge he can find in his opponent's defense with great control and razor sharp strategies. Oh... and he does it a thousand times better against fan favorites.

Predictions!

MMA > Starbuck
Duckdeok > Titan
MMA > Duckdeok
Starbuck < Titan
Duckdeok > Titan

MMA and Duckdeok to Advance!


More WCS Europe Season 3 Coverage

Oct 6 – WCS EU Season 3 RO8 Recap/Final Day Preview
Oct 5 – WCS EU Season 3 RO8 Preview
Sept 30 – WCS EU Season 3 RO16 D Recap/RO8 Bracket
Sept 27 – WCS EU Season 3 RO16 Group C Recap/Group D Preview
Sept 26 – WCS EU Season 3 RO16 Group B Recap/Group C Preview


Writers: lichter, DarkLordOlli
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Banner photo: ESL
Editor: Plexa.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 27 2013 12:22 GMT
#2
I'm feeling Starbuck advancing over Titan/duckdeok. I don't see anyone stopping MMA.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 27 2013 12:25 GMT
#3
I have no idea what Starbuck looks like

So I just used a pic of Starbuck for his LR OP pic >.>
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 27 2013 12:25 GMT
#4
I'm still not entirely sure what to think about Starbuck, although he has been putting up some impressive results. It would be cool to see him advance. MMA of the past might have been knocked out on his TvP, but yea I agree he just seems too solid atm to fall in this group.
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 12:42:58
September 27 2013 12:41 GMT
#5
On September 27 2013 21:25 lichter wrote:
I have no idea what Starbuck looks like

So I just used a pic of Starbuck for his LR OP pic >.>


Ahah, fun idea but you could use the male version of Starbuck instead :
[image loading]

from the original Battlestar Galactica series

P.S: I won't be making the OP tonight, as I won't be able to update it until the end
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 27 2013 12:44 GMT
#6
I chose the lady version just because
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 12:45:58
September 27 2013 12:45 GMT
#7
Thanks for the preview/recap!
Rooting for MMA & Titan. Expecting MMA & Duckdeok
Moderatorlickypiddy
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
September 27 2013 12:46 GMT
#8
If MMA gets first Starbuck could very well make it out on ZvP alone.

Go MMA and Starbuck!
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 13:41:11
September 27 2013 13:39 GMT
#9
MMA/Starbuck.

Although, if it's (P)finale and (Z)Starbuck, then we'll have 4 Korean Protosses and 4 Foreign Zergs on the Ro8.
Kokokoz
Profile Joined April 2013
France147 Posts
September 27 2013 13:50 GMT
#10
MMA gogogo win that tournament !
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
September 27 2013 15:32 GMT
#11
I am worried that MMA will follow the trend of terrans failing to get through.

We will see!
xou
Profile Joined October 2009
France58 Posts
September 27 2013 16:43 GMT
#12
Looks like Carmac's knee is fine again
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
September 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#13
MMA vs Nerchio! YAY!
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
September 28 2013 00:00 GMT
#14
Aww, MMA-Nerchio teamkill in Ro8, how sad.
MKP :D ~ MMA ~ Scarlett ~ Taeja ~ Mvp ~ InnoVation ~ Polt | Prime ( RIP :( ) ~ Acer ~ SK Telecom T1 | I enjoyed the locust war of May 3, 2014.
-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
September 28 2013 06:57 GMT
#15
EMEMAIEEE!
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
September 29 2013 07:32 GMT
#16
i'm always backing mma but i do love my duck quack quack quack
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Road to EWC
14:00
Global Qualifier - Day 2
Lemon vs HeRoMaRinELIVE!
Astrea vs GuMiho
goblin vs TBD
Ryung vs TBD
ewc_black1920
ComeBackTV 1050
WardiTV547
CranKy Ducklings221
Rex192
BRAT_OK 140
EnkiAlexander 71
3DClanTV 70
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .216
Rex 192
BRAT_OK 140
ProTech80
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 63310
Calm 6816
Rain 3217
firebathero 946
EffOrt 608
BeSt 437
Mini 360
ZerO 149
Hyun 87
Rush 34
[ Show more ]
Barracks 27
scan(afreeca) 22
Terrorterran 12
SilentControl 9
Bale 4
ivOry 3
Dota 2
Gorgc7867
qojqva1965
capcasts13
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
allub290
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0406
Mew2King118
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor260
Other Games
singsing2476
B2W.Neo1445
Dendi752
XBOCT398
crisheroes242
KnowMe202
ArmadaUGS125
ZerO(Twitch)21
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream17422
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream8122
Other Games
gamesdonequick726
EGCTV714
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 27
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV309
League of Legends
• Nemesis15139
• Stunt444
Upcoming Events
BSL: ProLeague
2h 53m
UltrA vs Sziky
Dewalt vs MadiNho
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
BSL: ProLeague
6 days
SOOP
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

NPSL Lushan
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.