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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10413 Posts
September 11 2013 19:32 GMT
#1021
On September 12 2013 04:14 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 01:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 12 2013 01:04 Clbull wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:17 askmc70 wrote:
jesus christ david kim do something

Oh no, David Him has to leave. Blizzard should hire somebody with completely different unit design philosophies who knows what they're talking about and how the game should work and not a guy who will listen to nobody, let alone people who give feedback from the professional scene.

I assume you forgot this patch and the horror David Kim unleashed upon the professional scene for almost a full year......

I cannot blame Bisu for retiring. What would you rather play? An imbalanced game with a stagnant meta that your team is forcing you to play or the game you used to play that you were good at and passionate for. I really hope to see him in SSL in the future.

More those geniuses with ideas of how game should work please! I always have a good laugh at their ideas (and yes, i dare to claim that while queen patch was slight overkill, it just unleashed the real problems of match-ups, nothing else).


Lolfail9001, you sure do justice to your nickname on these forums.

Is it only a matter of time until Nuked lives up to his own?! FIND OUT NEXT TIME, ON TEAMLIQUID BALL ZEEEEE
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10413 Posts
September 11 2013 19:46 GMT
#1022
On September 12 2013 03:56 evilfatsh1t wrote:

to me this has always been proof of bisu's outstanding mechanics. not his best matchup, but his micro, macro and multitask in this game was unbelievable. and it was against flash

Multitask/macro was actually not that strong in this game. If you look at the mineral counter, it spikes at 1300-1500 during the second part of the mine diffusion. To me this speaks more of his decision to focus entirely on micro, and what heights he could reach if that was the most important part of BW. He knew that micro was more important than macro in this instance (~11:20).
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8941 Posts
September 11 2013 20:13 GMT
#1023
well obviously its gonna spike when hes mine diffusing, hes good at multitask but hes not a hindu deity. but right after its over you can see he puts down a nexus, couple of gateways, arbiter tech, pylons at the 3rd entrance etc. to be able to do all that while holding off constant pushes is still legit.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10413 Posts
September 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#1024
On September 12 2013 05:13 evilfatsh1t wrote:
well obviously its gonna spike when hes mine diffusing, hes good at multitask but hes not a hindu deity. but right after its over you can see he puts down a nexus, couple of gateways, arbiter tech, pylons at the 3rd entrance etc. to be able to do all that while holding off constant pushes is still legit.

Oh, of course (: I guess I was thinking of his micro prowess as being his peak achievement in that game, whereas his macro/multitask are more apparent in other games.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
JoFeSboyAT
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria128 Posts
September 11 2013 20:53 GMT
#1025
bisu i will miss you and i hope you come back in BW my first hero in my live keep fighting gogog
I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
September 11 2013 22:52 GMT
#1026
Out of interest, how is Bisu regarding in terms of Protoss players in Brood War? The outright greatest or does he occupy a high tier along with others?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
RunningInSquares
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States215 Posts
September 11 2013 23:16 GMT
#1027
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 12 2013 07:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
Out of interest, how is Bisu regarding in terms of Protoss players in Brood War? The outright greatest or does he occupy a high tier along with others?



I'm forgetting the Elo stats, but if I remember right, then in all of BroodWar, Bisu's peak elo was only topped by Jaedong and Flash. It's hard to definitively say he was outright the best Protoss based solely on elo (well maybe not that hard), but when we compare him to other famous Protoss players like Nal_Ra, Kingdom, Anytime, Reach, Stork, and JangBi, (am I forgetting someone else? I feel like I am) I would have to say Bisu's play stands out past the rest of those guys.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
September 11 2013 23:21 GMT
#1028
On September 12 2013 07:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
Out of interest, how is Bisu regarding in terms of Protoss players in Brood War? The outright greatest or does he occupy a high tier along with others?


Consensus 1. Not absolutely, but nearly.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
September 12 2013 00:09 GMT
#1029
i'd ignorant-biasly put garimto and reach above bisu ^____^
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
TheGangle
Profile Joined September 2013
United States8 Posts
September 12 2013 00:14 GMT
#1030
I know this will make me look super young but can somebody tell me how Bisu revolutionized PvZ in BW?
"I wish you big health" - Whitera
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 12 2013 00:27 GMT
#1031
On September 12 2013 09:14 TheGangle wrote:
I know this will make me look super young but can somebody tell me how Bisu revolutionized PvZ in BW?


Read this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56672
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 00:50:46
September 12 2013 00:31 GMT
#1032
another sad thing about this news is bisu will have to cut his hair

this news still hasn't sunk in to me yet... I expected it already but still I will terribly miss him. my fangirl heart is terribly broken
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
September 12 2013 00:39 GMT
#1033
wow this is sad day in deed.
How may help u?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 12 2013 00:45 GMT
#1034
On September 12 2013 07:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
Out of interest, how is Bisu regarding in terms of Protoss players in Brood War? The outright greatest or does he occupy a high tier along with others?


Considering this thread click here came up with the retirement of JangBi it might be worth checking out to get an idea from fellow TLers.
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
September 12 2013 01:49 GMT
#1035
On September 12 2013 01:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 01:04 Clbull wrote:
On September 09 2013 11:17 askmc70 wrote:
jesus christ david kim do something

Oh no, David Him has to leave. Blizzard should hire somebody with completely different unit design philosophies who knows what they're talking about and how the game should work and not a guy who will listen to nobody, let alone people who give feedback from the professional scene.

I assume you forgot this patch and the horror David Kim unleashed upon the professional scene for almost a full year......

I cannot blame Bisu for retiring. What would you rather play? An imbalanced game with a stagnant meta that your team is forcing you to play or the game you used to play that you were good at and passionate for. I really hope to see him in SSL in the future.

More those geniuses with ideas of how game should work please! I always have a good laugh at their ideas (and yes, i dare to claim that while queen patch was slight overkill, it just unleashed the real problems of match-ups, nothing else).

what's the point of you? To praise sc2? This is a retirement thread, please gtfo.
Michael Probu
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
September 12 2013 02:05 GMT
#1036
Cheers for the links all btw
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
September 12 2013 02:08 GMT
#1037
For how long do you want to be a progamer?

▲ I want to be a progamer until the day I die. However as everyone already knows, progaming is not a stable job at all. When starcraft 2 comes out, I am worried whether or not I can be a good player. Depending on how Starcraft 2 plays out will make or break my life of a progamer.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108529

Welp : (
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 12 2013 03:14 GMT
#1038
On September 12 2013 11:08 Steins;Gate wrote:
For how long do you want to be a progamer?

▲ I want to be a progamer until the day I die. However as everyone already knows, progaming is not a stable job at all. When starcraft 2 comes out, I am worried whether or not I can be a good player. Depending on how Starcraft 2 plays out will make or break my life of a progamer.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108529

Welp : (

man, that's pretty sad to read
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Masheyoon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States781 Posts
September 12 2013 03:42 GMT
#1039
On September 12 2013 07:52 Wombat_NI wrote:
Out of interest, how is Bisu regarding in terms of Protoss players in Brood War? The outright greatest or does he occupy a high tier along with others?


He's often referred to as the greatest protoss of all time by casters, particularly english casters (Artosis, Tasteless, Day9), and I agree. No other protoss has won 3 MSL titles, no other protoss excelled at the vZ match-up. Few had their moments, but they were consistently bad far more than they were consistently good. Bisu's statistics speak for themselves: 71% winrate over zerg. No other protoss player has come close to that.

You could argue that this impressive feat is countered by his bad TvP... Yeah, his TvP is literally all over the place (in his last few matches he would tend to expand everywhere really fast as though he's zerg). But I say that him being consistently good to great throughout his career makes up for that.
SnakEhead
Profile Joined April 2011
United States62 Posts
September 12 2013 04:14 GMT
#1040
Bisu, even tho I have never seen you play in BW. You showed good games in SC2 and you will be missed.
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