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baubo
China3370 Posts
 JangBi's second peak came right at the end of BW, not to mention right after a huge slupm. So his success was kind of overshadowed by the whole game-switching. But with some time and hindsight, where do you think he belongs among the best protosses in history?Other notable protosses Nal_rAReachBisuStorkGARIMTOAnytimeGrrr... | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19371 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
so #5 ahead of stork/garimto/grrr | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
Jangbi should be around 4, i think. | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
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kidleaderr
368 Posts
Stork Jangbi | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
1. Bisu 2. Stork 3. Nal_rA 4. Reach 5. JangBi 6. Kingdom 7. Anytime 8. Grrrr 9. GARIMTO These are the hall-of-famers IIRC. There are others that I'm neglecting, of course; the rest of the Dragons, older-school Protoss like IntoTheRain/Rainbow/etc. from ygosu, all-time protoss proleague ranking 1 - 김택용/Bisu 192-85 69.3% 2 - 송병구/Stork 191-119 61.6% 3 - 윤용태/Free 147-120 55.1% 4 - 김구현/Kal 145-129 52.9% 5 - 도재욱/Best 120-87 58% 6 - 허영무/Jangbi 109-105 50.9% 7 - 오영종/Anytime 100-103 49.3% (oldschoolers are lower due to fewer games) and osl+msl records from ygosu (adding on my own) Stork 115-94 Bisu 111-75 Nal_rA 92-60 Reach 87-79 Jangbi 70-46 Kal 62-57 Kingdom 48-50 free 42-39 Best 28-24 Grrr 27-18 (no msl then) Garimto 27-21 (no msl then) Anytime 25-24 Movie 22-21 Kespa Ranking Protoss #1: Bisu — 26 months (11 straight) Nal_rA — 21 months (16 straight) Stork — 21 months (5 straight) Reach — 18 months (12 straight) JangBi — 10 months (7 straight) | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:34 rift wrote: His massive slump hurts. The two OSL wins make people forget about how horrible he was for so long: Pae-wang, "King of Losing" along with BeSt. Stork and Bisu are naturally above him as the two most-skilled Protoss in the game's history. Nal_rA was definitely more important strategically and the best Protoss before Taekbangleessang. Reach, while less accomplished shone in an era when Protoss was quite weak, thus the nickname "Hero Toss". I say: 1. Bisu 2. Stork 3. Nal_rA 4. Reach 5. JangBi 6. Kingdom 7. Anytime 8. Grrrr 9. GARIMTO These are the hall-of-famers IIRC. There are others that I'm neglecting, of course; the rest of the Dragons, older-school Protoss like IntoTheRain/Rainbow/etc. 1. Bisu 2. Stork 3. Nal_rA 4. JangBi 5. Reach 6. Horang2 7. Kingdom 8. Anytime Kal and Free and Movie somewhere....its just my opinion thingy. umm yeahh | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On August 30 2013 15:54 rauk wrote: i think anytime edges him out for denying boxer so #5 ahead of stork/garimto/grrr Jangbi edged out fantasy twice and beat flash on one (or both?) of those runs when protoss hadn't won for ages. I'd put him at #5 behind stork/ra/reach/bisu but definitely not behind anytime | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
2.Stork (1 OSL gold, 3 OSL silver, 1 MSL silver, 3 WCG Korea silver, high winrate in all matchups and only person to be able to beat consistently Bisu/JD/Flash) 3.Jangbi (2 OSL gold, 2 MSL silver, 1 GOMTv silver, sick winrate during his first peak in 2009, only protoss beside Stork and Bisu to have actually broken the symbolic 2300+ ELO) 4.Nal_Ra (1 OSL gold, 1 MSL gold, 1 OSL silver, 1 MSL silver, also a Proleague monster, and his play was very influential) 5.Reach (1 OSL gold, 1 OSL silver, 2 MSL silver, was the single protoss doing consistently well in individual leagues hence the nickname Hero protoss) 6.Anytime (1 OSL gold, 1 OSL silver, carried Lecaf Oz to win the first Shinhan bank Proleague 7.BeSt (1 OSL silver, longest PvP streak ever which is very relevant in this classment, only player capable of beating Flash consistently during his God mode period) 8.Garimto (2 OSL gold, but stopped his career very early, so we can't really say he was consistent for a super long period, or had a strong influence on the protoss race) 9.Kingdom (1 OSL gold, 1 MSL silver) 10.Kal/Free (always overshadowed by the other dragons, but were doing good both in individual leagues and Proleague and were good in all matchups) | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
2. Nal_ra 3. Stork 4. Reach 5. Jangbi Yes, in the end, Jangbi did better than both Reach and Stork in individual leagues. But Jangbi was never the best Protoss in SPL. 2008 and 2009 were the only seasons he did better than his teammate Stork, and actually the only SPL seasons where he was even a top 5 Protoss, let alone a top BW pro. JangBi from late 2008 to early 2009 was at his peak: a top toss in SPL and reaching 3 finals in a short period of time. JangBi in 2011 and 2012 was immaculate in his OSL runs (I still get shivers) but even then his SPL was very average. And don't forget that before his OSL run in late summer 2011, JangBi was a paewang: one of the worst progamers on the scene and a laughingstock to anti-fans and an embarrassment to fans. His OSL victory in Jin Air erased that status, but you cannot forget that he did not perform in SPL compared to Stork and Bisu who were tops for years and years. Nal_ra was the best Protoss hope against multiple bonjwas before Bisu. He beat NaDa in the finals when he was god (NaDa had won 4 of the previous 6 SLs), and waged the Holy Wars against Savior as the only Protoss hope before the revolutionist himself. He was tops in SPL, individual leagues, and defined Protoss builds over multiple generations (such as inventing FFE and Sair/Reaver). JangBi cannot be ranked higher than him: I won't allow it. Reach too was one of the few Protoss hopes against the greats of the other races: Boxer, NaDa, July and Savior playing all of them in finals while also defining macro Protoss play for years. JangBi is below these legends in total accomplishments, imo. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
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unit
United States2621 Posts
2.Stork 3.Nal_Ra 4.Reach 5.Jangbi Jangbi in second in terms of skill at peak but his overall career wasn't really that great in comparison to the top 4 (Reach is given a little leeway due to being old school and being able to win when a lot of protosses were struggling) | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
Bisu Stork Jangbi But perhaps that's unfair given the time periods people played. Like Chairman Ray I think that Kal and Free should be in any top 10 list (if it's skill alone, not fame, contributions etc). | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
I think in terms of individual league prowess, JangBi probably is second. He did win two OSLs, after all. Only reason I don't give him first is that September 17th isn't likely to be a yearly observance on TL. As for a more general ranking, I agree with the posters who have Bisu first, JangBi fifth, and some arrangement of Stork, Reach, and Nal_rA in between. | ||
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Rokevo
Finland1033 Posts
2. Stork 3. Nal_Ra 4. Jangbi 5. Reach | ||
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