JangBi's second peak came right at the end of BW, not to mention right after a huge slupm. So his success was kind of overshadowed by the whole game-switching. But with some time and hindsight, where do you think he belongs among the best protosses in history?

Other notable protosses

(P)

Nal_rA

Reach

Bisu

Stork

GARIMTO

Anytime
Grrr...

BisuDagger

Bisutopia19365 Posts

August 30 2013 06:35 GMT

#3 only because his lack of PL success compared to stork and bisu. But its very close between the 3 based on medals in individuals.

rauk

United States2228 Posts

August 30 2013 06:54 GMT

he can't really be compared to nal_ra or reach on star power alone, i think anytime edges him out for denying boxer, plus bisu is the revolutionist

so #5 ahead of stork/garimto/grrr

Yorbon

Netherlands4272 Posts

August 30 2013 07:08 GMT

Nal_Ra was the first progamer i ever rooted for. He will always be #1 in my heart.

Jangbi should be around 4, i think.

digmouse

China6331 Posts

August 30 2013 07:19 GMT

Mantoss all the way, sorry JangBi.

kidleaderr

367 Posts

August 30 2013 07:30 GMT

Bisu
Stork
Jangbi

rift

1819 Posts

August 30 2013 07:34 GMT

His massive slump hurts. The two OSL wins make people forget about how horrible he was for so long: Pae-wang, "King of Losing" along with BeSt. Stork and Bisu are naturally above him as the two most-skilled Protoss in the game's history. Nal_rA was definitely more important strategically and the best Protoss before Taekbangleessang. Reach, while less accomplished shone in an era when Protoss was quite weak, thus the nickname "Hero Toss". I say:
1. Bisu
2. Stork
3. Nal_rA
4. Reach
5. JangBi
6. Kingdom
7. Anytime
8. Grrrr
9. GARIMTO
These are the hall-of-famers IIRC. There are others that I'm neglecting, of course; the rest of the Dragons, older-school Protoss like IntoTheRain/Rainbow/etc.

from ygosu, all-time protoss proleague ranking

1 - 김택용/Bisu 192-85 69.3%
2 - 송병구/Stork 191-119 61.6%
3 - 윤용태/Free 147-120 55.1%
4 - 김구현/Kal 145-129 52.9%
5 - 도재욱/Best 120-87 58%
6 - 허영무/Jangbi 109-105 50.9%
7 - 오영종/Anytime 100-103 49.3%
(oldschoolers are lower due to fewer games)

and osl+msl records from ygosu (adding on my own)
Stork 115-94
Bisu 111-75
Nal_rA 92-60
Reach 87-79
Jangbi 70-46
Kal 62-57
Kingdom 48-50
free 42-39
Best 28-24
Grrr 27-18 (no msl then)
Garimto 27-21 (no msl then)
Anytime 25-24
Movie 22-21

Kespa Ranking Protoss #1:
Bisu — 26 months (11 straight)
Nal_rA — 21 months (16 straight)
Stork — 21 months (5 straight)
Reach — 18 months (12 straight)
JangBi — 10 months (7 straight)

ChoDing

United States740 Posts

August 30 2013 07:37 GMT

On August 30 2013 16:34 rift wrote:
His massive slump hurts. The two OSL wins make people forget about how horrible he was for so long: Pae-wang, "King of Losing" along with BeSt. Stork and Bisu are naturally above him as the two most-skilled Protoss in the game's history. Nal_rA was definitely more important strategically and the best Protoss before Taekbangleessang. Reach, while less accomplished shone in an era when Protoss was quite weak, thus the nickname "Hero Toss". I say:
1. Bisu
2. Stork
3. Nal_rA
4. Reach
5. JangBi
6. Kingdom
7. Anytime
8. Grrrr
9. GARIMTO
These are the hall-of-famers IIRC. There are others that I'm neglecting, of course; the rest of the Dragons, older-school Protoss like IntoTheRain/Rainbow/etc.

1. Bisu
2. Stork
3. Nal_rA
4. JangBi
5. Reach
6. Horang2
7. Kingdom
8. Anytime

Kal and Free and Movie somewhere....its just my opinion thingy.
umm yeahh

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

August 30 2013 07:43 GMT

Jangbi to me was the best preparation protoss. His skill naturally wasn't very good, as denoted by his constant slumps and poor performance in proleague, but when he trains hardcore for a tournament, his results are spectacular. I think Kal and free are also Protosses worth mentioning.

Scarecrow

Korea (South)9174 Posts

August 30 2013 07:45 GMT

#10

On August 30 2013 15:54 rauk wrote:
i think anytime edges him out for denying boxer

so #5 ahead of stork/garimto/grrr

Jangbi edged out fantasy twice and beat flash on one (or both?) of those runs when protoss hadn't won for ages. I'd put him at #5 behind stork/ra/reach/bisu but definitely not behind anytime

endy

Switzerland8970 Posts

August 30 2013 07:50 GMT

#11

1.Bisu (3 MSL gold + GOMTv gold + Proleague Monster + PvZ revolutionist)
2.Stork (1 OSL gold, 3 OSL silver, 1 MSL silver, 3 WCG Korea silver, high winrate in all matchups and only person to be able to beat consistently Bisu/JD/Flash)
3.Jangbi (2 OSL gold, 2 MSL silver, 1 GOMTv silver, sick winrate during his first peak in 2009, only protoss beside Stork and Bisu to have actually broken the symbolic 2300+ ELO)
4.Nal_Ra (1 OSL gold, 1 MSL gold, 1 OSL silver, 1 MSL silver, also a Proleague monster, and his play was very influential)
5.Reach (1 OSL gold, 1 OSL silver, 2 MSL silver, was the single protoss doing consistently well in individual leagues hence the nickname Hero protoss)
6.Anytime (1 OSL gold, 1 OSL silver, carried Lecaf Oz to win the first Shinhan bank Proleague
7.BeSt (1 OSL silver, longest PvP streak ever which is very relevant in this classment, only player capable of beating Flash consistently during his God mode period)
8.Garimto (2 OSL gold, but stopped his career very early, so we can't really say he was consistent for a super long period, or had a strong influence on the protoss race)
9.Kingdom (1 OSL gold, 1 MSL silver)
10.Kal/Free (always overshadowed by the other dragons, but were doing good both in individual leagues and Proleague and were good in all matchups)

Crisium

United States1618 Posts

August 30 2013 07:53 GMT

#12

1. Bisu
2. Nal_ra
3. Stork
4. Reach
5. Jangbi

Yes, in the end, Jangbi did better than both Reach and Stork in individual leagues. But Jangbi was never the best Protoss in SPL. 2008 and 2009 were the only seasons he did better than his teammate Stork, and actually the only SPL seasons where he was even a top 5 Protoss, let alone a top BW pro. JangBi from late 2008 to early 2009 was at his peak: a top toss in SPL and reaching 3 finals in a short period of time. JangBi in 2011 and 2012 was immaculate in his OSL runs (I still get shivers) but even then his SPL was very average. And don't forget that before his OSL run in late summer 2011, JangBi was a paewang: one of the worst progamers on the scene and a laughingstock to anti-fans and an embarrassment to fans. His OSL victory in Jin Air erased that status, but you cannot forget that he did not perform in SPL compared to Stork and Bisu who were tops for years and years.

Nal_ra was the best Protoss hope against multiple bonjwas before Bisu. He beat NaDa in the finals when he was god (NaDa had won 4 of the previous 6 SLs), and waged the Holy Wars against Savior as the only Protoss hope before the revolutionist himself. He was tops in SPL, individual leagues, and defined Protoss builds over multiple generations (such as inventing FFE and Sair/Reaver). JangBi cannot be ranked higher than him: I won't allow it. Reach too was one of the few Protoss hopes against the greats of the other races: Boxer, NaDa, July and Savior playing all of them in finals while also defining macro Protoss play for years. JangBi is below these legends in total accomplishments, imo.

Elroi

Sweden5600 Posts

August 30 2013 07:59 GMT

#13

I would put him on on #3 behind Bisu and Stork.. But comparing players over time periods is very dubious.

unit

United States2621 Posts

August 30 2013 08:01 GMT

#14

1.Bisu
2.Stork
3.Nal_Ra
4.Reach
5.Jangbi

Jangbi in second in terms of skill at peak but his overall career wasn't really that great in comparison to the top 4 (Reach is given a little leeway due to being old school and being able to win when a lot of protosses were struggling)

zeo

Serbia6342 Posts

August 30 2013 08:28 GMT

#15

Well Jangbi has deserved his place among the Protoss greats, I never thought I would live to see the day a Protoss won back to back OSL's. Just for that he has legend status, shame we will never know just how far his domination would have taken him (bonjwa?)

Subversive

Australia2229 Posts

August 30 2013 08:40 GMT

#16

It depends what you're listing. In terms of skill, I'm going with:

Bisu
Stork
Jangbi

But perhaps that's unfair given the time periods people played. Like Chairman Ray I think that Kal and Free should be in any top 10 list (if it's skill alone, not fame, contributions etc).

Antisocialmunky

United States5912 Posts

August 30 2013 08:41 GMT

#17

Honorable Mention for CrownRoyal because one does not simply go mech as Protoss.

Iplaythings

Denmark9110 Posts

August 30 2013 08:43 GMT

#18

I'd put him behind Ra, Bisu, Stork and Reach who I'd place top 4 in no particular order

Kanil

United States1713 Posts

August 30 2013 08:46 GMT

#19

It's hard for me to give a good assessment, given that many of these players are before my time. Even two of the best Protoss of 2012 started their careers in 2005, so while I'm familiar with Bisu and Stork, there's still a lot of their stories I wasn't present for.

I think in terms of individual league prowess, JangBi probably is second. He did win two OSLs, after all. Only reason I don't give him first is that September 17th isn't likely to be a yearly observance on TL.

As for a more general ranking, I agree with the posters who have Bisu first, JangBi fifth, and some arrangement of Stork, Reach, and Nal_rA in between.