EPTOn September 02 2013 06:45 juicyjames wrote:
My favorite part of 2011 PPSL saga was the 2013 twist on the whole thing.
My favorite part of 2011 PPSL saga was the 2013 twist on the whole thing.
A "Backfire of the Year" nomination for sure
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
A "Backfire of the Year" nomination for sure | ||
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Chinnro
Australia47 Posts
Dude.....this 'thread' has had more than 50k views in less than 12 hours...clearly ppl are more interested in the gossip... 'game is dying blah blah' than actually playing the game. That's all I'm saying. Less drama, play more, everyone relax and enjoy the games while its here... | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:02 Chinnro wrote: Dude.....this 'thread' has had more than 50k views in less than 12 hours...clearly ppl are more interested in the gossip... 'game is dying blah blah' than actually playing the game. That's all I'm saying. Less drama, play more, everyone relax and enjoy the games while its here... What's funny is that I'm sure that there are plenty of people (like me) who would rather discuss this than play the game, which reflects on how much we actually enjoy playing it. Pretty sad, no? | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:02 Chinnro wrote: Dude.....this 'thread' has had more than 50k views in less than 12 hours...clearly ppl are more interested in the gossip... 'game is dying blah blah' than actually playing the game. That's all I'm saying. Less drama, play more, everyone relax and enjoy the games while its here... so it is dying then... who doesn't love dramas, gossips? latest cataclysm rumor is GOM will announce this week the cancellation of GSTL... due to 5 team less and lastest back out... | ||
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:05 wherebugsgo wrote: What's funny is that I'm sure that there are plenty of people (like me) who would rather discuss this than play the game, which reflects on how much we actually enjoy playing it. Pretty sad, no? Agree with you. Last time i formated my main pc i didn´t even reinstalled sc2. More funny is, as i know (Correct me if im wrong), the most active guys on this site known for their contributions for the "scene", barely play the game. :-P | ||
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Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
Damn,why LoL,why not something that actually is SUPER MEGA SKILLED....... Why hardcore people like the SC community can't get something.I mean LOL is skilled to some extent,but oh hey,the drama in Starcraft 2 Games is A LOT MORE.....i mean there were games that people are literally screaming because of the situations that players created. Sc2 going free will make it more appealing?But i guess anybody thats below the age of 15-16 will never understand the beauty of starcraft. | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:30 Crying wrote: Starcraft 2 dying 100% confirmed???????????? Damn,why LoL,why not something that actually is SUPER MEGA SKILLED....... Why hardcore people like the SC community can't get something.I mean LOL is skilled to some extent,but oh hey,the drama in Starcraft 2 Games is A LOT MORE.....i mean there were games that people are literally screaming because of the situations that players created. Sc2 going free will make it more appealing?But i guess anybody thats below the age of 15-16 will never understand the beauty of starcraft. The Beauty of Starcraft is in BW .. It's just only been 2 years and SC2 is already dying? lol .. | ||
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MooLen
Germany501 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: The Beauty of Starcraft is in BW .. It's just only been 2 years and SC2 is already dying? lol .. Release: September 2010, now Sept. 2013. Seems like someone is unable to count up to three ^^. And do not forget about the beta times. Also you can´t compare BW to SC2, those where simply other times. | ||
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:30 Crying wrote: Starcraft 2 dying 100% confirmed???????????? Damn,why LoL,why not something that actually is SUPER MEGA SKILLED....... Why hardcore people like the SC community can't get something.I mean LOL is skilled to some extent,but oh hey,the drama in Starcraft 2 Games is A LOT MORE.....i mean there were games that people are literally screaming because of the situations that players created. Sc2 going free will make it more appealing?But i guess anybody thats below the age of 15-16 will never understand the beauty of starcraft. SC2 its quite a hardcore game for people without previous knowledge in RTS. the thing is that , even in bronze , you need to have some resemblance of mechanics and understanding of the game bc the people there cheese hard...or you can drop in a DOTA2 game and maybe get carried to victory xD I mean , i remember training myself in broodwar to make probes pylons and dragoons in some kind of continuous matter but we should not expect everyone to go through that for a game.I for one think that SC2 will retain its place in esports and gaming granted but you cant really expect it to appeal to the casual playerbase that mobas can have. In some weeks all will be fine in korea , give it time to unfold. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On September 02 2013 08:01 Meatloaf wrote: SC2 its quite a hardcore game for people without previous knowledge in RTS. the thing is that , even in bronze , you need to have some resemblance of mechanics and understanding of the game bc the people there cheese hard...or you can drop in a DOTA2 game and maybe get carried to victory xD I mean , i remember training myself in broodwar to make probes pylons and dragoons in some kind of continuous matter but we should not expect everyone to go through that for a game.I for one think that SC2 will retain its place in esports and gaming granted but you cant really expect it to appeal to the casual playerbase that mobas can have. In some weeks all will be fine in korea , give it time to unfold. PREDICTION.... 1. will be the last GSTL, to unify all teams into one proleague and will start NEXT year... one massive KESPA proleague... (both by OGN and GOM) 2. massive retiring... BWing or be LOLed... 3. LOL WILL BE the next (2014) big thing... 4. BW resurrection completed... 5. next year's WCS will only have two seasons, no season final, straight to global after the two.... prize pool dramatically increases by 50%... 6. 2014 is SC2's peak... | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On September 01 2013 16:02 NovemberstOrm wrote: I don't get how you can find that more exciting then today's TvZ's o.O I hate today's TvZ. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On September 02 2013 02:06 TriO wrote: If its one of the hardest games why are pro gamers quitting left and right? Sorry, I tried to let this go... but I can't. Why are pro gamers quitting left and right? BECAUSE IT'S A HARD DAMN GAME. Not only that, but only a very few people have the skills and ability to consistently do well and make a living playing the game. It becomes harder as you get older, especially if you've beaten your wrists and hands to hell trying to become good enough to make a living playing the game. At a certain point, you have to honestly assess your situation and ask yourself "Can I make a good life playing this game? Can I support myself based on my earnings or position in a team? Will this let me have the life I want, afford me the style of living I want, and help support my family if I have one?" And for some players, the choices start to become very tough - do I spend time studying, applying myself to my schoolwork, getting a degree that means when my wrists are blown out and I'm just not as fast as a 15 year old kid I have something to do for the other 50+ years of my life? Or do I throw my school out the window, practice 12-15 hours a day, and still come up short against people who are just plain better? Professional gaming, in any esport, is going to be like anything else - is the effort I'm putting in going to be good enough, or will I just wind up dropping out of college with huge debts and no saleable skill outside of the sport? People see how hard it is to be good, and stay good, and consistently place in tournaments, and it's really hard to argue. I'm grateful that there are people who are passionate, who are determined, and who play awesome games so far above my skill level that I am just amazed at the things they pull off, win or lose. But it's not something everyone can do, and looking at the difficulty of the game and the entire ecosystem, it may be better personally in the long term to step back and say "I've had a good run. It's time to move on." Or do you think Stephano just woke up one day and said "Whelp, this game is too easy, time to go back to med school!" Stephano is player about whom you can have many opinions, but he played well, got to the top, made money, and then bowed out gracefully. (At least, without another mug shot.) I respect him, and I respect all the people that keep trying - each person is going to have different decisions and circumstances. New players come in, old players leave, good and bad and everything in between. How difficult it is to play the game by itself is less of a factor than how difficult it is to play the game at the top level and make your living doing so. SC2 just happens to be a hard game (not as hard as any BroodWar era RTS, from a strictly mechanical point of view) and one in which all that pressure rests on one person's shoulders. If it was easy, no one would retire or leave. When it's hard, those decisions I mention above become very important - because if you spend 15 years beating yourself against a wall you can't climb, you've lost time you could've spent going around it to do something else. TL; dr - People are leaving because the game's hard, the scene's hard, and life is hard. Wear a helmet. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:05 wherebugsgo wrote: What's funny is that I'm sure that there are plenty of people (like me) who would rather discuss this than play the game, which reflects on how much we actually enjoy playing it. Pretty sad, no? yes, you are pretty sad. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:51 shaftofpleasure wrote: The Beauty of Starcraft is in BW .. It's just only been 2 years and SC2 is already dying? lol .. as we all know, BW was absolutely enormous 2 years after release and it never reached a higher point than that. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 02 2013 09:03 Vari wrote: as we all know, BW was absolutely enormous 2 years after release and it never reached a higher point than that. Don't know man, the height of BW was easily in the 2005 to 2008 period (and that is when majority of computer could even handle the game properly) | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On September 02 2013 09:03 Vari wrote: as we all know, BW was absolutely enormous 2 years after release and it never reached a higher point than that. The turn of the millenium tournaments really were the peak, it was all downhill from there. On September 02 2013 09:10 Xiphos wrote: Don't know man, the height of BW was easily in the 2005 to 2008 period (and that is when majority of computer could even handle the game properly) Well, BW was released in '99, a year after SC. About 3 years later, would've been 2002. It took a little bit to really hit the tempo and grow into the juggernaut that it was (in South Korea). Globally, SC2 is doing okay only a short time after its first released expansion. | ||
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
Why? Well, SCBW proteams with big roosters, A and b teams, multiple coaches etc. left Broodwar, not quite as big as it used to be, but still with a pretty big fanbase, and then came to SC2. But what did they find in SC2? Empty audiences, almost zero korean interest. SC2 was too expensive (and maybe too one sided gameplay-wise) and did never become popular in Korea. So you have huge Kespa teams - but almost none interest in Korea, audience would consist of like 15 people, where it was 100s in Broodwar + television. It's no surprise this could not continue. Kespa and esF teams will either merge or one of the organizations will die. There will only be one team league. And old BW pros, which were paid large sums in SCBW, but now have low income but an even higher comptetion will retire. But really, it's no surprise. It's not too bad though. We still have a pretty good European/international scene. --- As a result I want to point out that MANY had seen this come, even in BETA, that SC2 will be dead in 2-3 years, even before all expansions are out, just because of stupid game design flaws. You called us BW nostalgics. But eventually we were right. It's a shame for the successor of such a long living game like BW. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
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thezanursic
5500 Posts
On September 02 2013 09:03 Vari wrote: as we all know, BW was absolutely enormous 2 years after release and it never reached a higher point than that. Well that's not true LIKE AT ALL. It was seeing growth all up until 2009. I'm not saying that without SC2 coming out and the scandal that it would have gone on forever, but it would have probably lasted a couple more years. | ||
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thezanursic
5500 Posts
On September 02 2013 09:15 felisconcolori wrote: Hold on there, Caladan. Let's give SC2 at least 10 years, like we did BroodWar, before drawing any conclusions that "we were right" about anything. SC2 needs much more than that - a UI/AI/Gameplay overhaul. | ||
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