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juicyjames
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On September 02 2013 02:12 Everlong wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 02:08 juicyjames wrote:On September 02 2013 02:06 Everlong wrote: I think one of the big flaws with SC2 currently might the lack of replays.
I remember when I was getting into WC3 I used to download a TON of replays and just watch them, study them, try to do it by myself against A.I. and finally against other people on ladder. Also, it was very entertaining. Then there was this waaaghtv. Man, that was awesome.
I think lack of those things really hurt SC2 in the long run, especially since it is really hard for new people to really get into it. You can watch streams, which is great, but for some reason, watching streams doesn't make me want to play more games. It's like watching TV. It won't make you make movies. But analyzing replays, studying build orders, observing decision making, checking mico/macro, that is completely different story. I know there are lots of replay analyzers and stuff like that. But I just want to see it happening on my screen. I want to load up replay where my favourite player is playing perfectly, etc...
Hopefully someone catches what I'm trying to say. Good news! WCS Now Supports GGTracker Analytics, All WCS S1 and S2 Replays Released! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427460 Oh yeah, that is great actually. If only this was standard these days. :-) Good news! Blizzard is thinking about releasing WCS replays shortly after each match!
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/9792719717?page=1#9
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On September 02 2013 01:54 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:52 forumtext wrote:On September 02 2013 01:45 lichter wrote:On September 02 2013 01:42 geokilla wrote:On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote: Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something I don't know about you, but I find LR for games boring. Only thing I check is OP and latest post for the discussion and lulz. To me, live reports don't contribute to the game and its amusement whatsoever. Plus if I was to write a LR, that means I'm not enjoying the game as much as I could be because I have to divert my attention from watching the cast to doing something else. Granted, I'm usually doing something else anyways when games are streaming. A lot of people ask for LRs because they can't watch the games and want to know what is happening. Either they are at work or they can't watch a stream at the time. Just because you find them 'boring' doesn't mean they aren't important contributions to the scene :p In other words, just because some of the 'suggestions' and 'reasoning' doesn't tick for you, it doesn't mean the poster is a "sc2dead-mongering". You seem to have no problem accepting and believing in what you do, yet you have no capacity for other's view. Double standard no? That makes zero sense. (also I'm going to bed) live report is super important to me and to others Ignore the haters :-) Didn't someone even suggested a mobile text based live report app?
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On September 02 2013 02:14 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 02:12 Everlong wrote:On September 02 2013 02:08 juicyjames wrote:On September 02 2013 02:06 Everlong wrote: I think one of the big flaws with SC2 currently might the lack of replays.
I remember when I was getting into WC3 I used to download a TON of replays and just watch them, study them, try to do it by myself against A.I. and finally against other people on ladder. Also, it was very entertaining. Then there was this waaaghtv. Man, that was awesome.
I think lack of those things really hurt SC2 in the long run, especially since it is really hard for new people to really get into it. You can watch streams, which is great, but for some reason, watching streams doesn't make me want to play more games. It's like watching TV. It won't make you make movies. But analyzing replays, studying build orders, observing decision making, checking mico/macro, that is completely different story. I know there are lots of replay analyzers and stuff like that. But I just want to see it happening on my screen. I want to load up replay where my favourite player is playing perfectly, etc...
Hopefully someone catches what I'm trying to say. Good news! WCS Now Supports GGTracker Analytics, All WCS S1 and S2 Replays Released! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427460 Oh yeah, that is great actually. If only this was standard these days. :-) Good news! Blizzard is thinking about releasing WCS replays shortly after each match! http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/9792719717?page=1#9
If only I happened to win 1 million dolars. :D
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On September 02 2013 02:06 TriO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 19:25 RagequitBM wrote:On September 01 2013 19:11 Highways wrote:On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote: Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least). This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier. On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband... Slower this happen, more damage it does. sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation. The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch. I don't understand this criticism. I don't even watch SC2 anymore, but saying it has a low skill ceiling is ridiculous. No one has reached the ceiling. No it's not Brood War, but it's still one of the hardest games to have come out recently, and is quite impressive to play well. The problems of Starcraft 2 are many, but skill ceiling is definitely not one. If its one of the hardest games why are pro gamers quitting left and right?
What? How is that making a point? Alot of recent stuff happened because of financial issues, how can thy make thy argument of people quitting because it is easy???
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On September 02 2013 01:59 juicyjames wrote:In somewhat related news: MVP reveals their DOTA2 squad. I'm now confused. They have a successful SC2 team (7 players in premier league S3), they have a successful LoL team who won a championship and has many sponsors, but they are in the process of selling their successful LoL team and instead pick up a DOTA2 squad which may or may not do well? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep their successful LoL team and build a DOTA2 team on the side to perhaps have three successful eSports teams? Or is this like when people do start ups and intend to sell it off for a lot of cash to build up something new?
rumor is that Samsung KHAN is looking to buy their LoL team.
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Wasn't the next big announcement supposed to be one and a half hours ago?
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On September 02 2013 02:06 Everlong wrote: I think one of the big flaws with SC2 currently might the lack of replays.
I remember when I was getting into WC3 I used to download a TON of replays and just watch them, study them, try to do it by myself against A.I. and finally against other people on ladder. Also, it was very entertaining. Then there was this waaaghtv. Man, that was awesome.
I think lack of those things really hurt SC2 in the long run, especially since it is really hard for new people to really get into it. You can watch streams, which is great, but for some reason, watching streams doesn't make me want to play more games. It's like watching TV. It won't make you make your own movies. But analyzing replays, studying build orders, observing decision making, checking mico/macro, that is completely different story. I know there are lots of replay analyzers and stuff like that. But I just want to see it happening on my screen. I want to load up replay where my favourite player is playing perfectly, etc...
Hopefully someone catches what I'm trying to say. waaaaghtv was really awesome
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On September 02 2013 02:16 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:54 lichter wrote:On September 02 2013 01:52 forumtext wrote:On September 02 2013 01:45 lichter wrote:On September 02 2013 01:42 geokilla wrote:On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote: Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something I don't know about you, but I find LR for games boring. Only thing I check is OP and latest post for the discussion and lulz. To me, live reports don't contribute to the game and its amusement whatsoever. Plus if I was to write a LR, that means I'm not enjoying the game as much as I could be because I have to divert my attention from watching the cast to doing something else. Granted, I'm usually doing something else anyways when games are streaming. A lot of people ask for LRs because they can't watch the games and want to know what is happening. Either they are at work or they can't watch a stream at the time. Just because you find them 'boring' doesn't mean they aren't important contributions to the scene :p In other words, just because some of the 'suggestions' and 'reasoning' doesn't tick for you, it doesn't mean the poster is a "sc2dead-mongering". You seem to have no problem accepting and believing in what you do, yet you have no capacity for other's view. Double standard no? That makes zero sense. (also I'm going to bed) live report is super important to me and to others Ignore the haters :-) Didn't someone even suggested a mobile text based live report app?
Yeah. If I'm at work and following a game/series, I like the LR option together with following the thread chat. Anyone who has spent some time in a LR thread knows that - and there are often people who pop in and ask for a LR or thank the LR poster for his contribution. And everyone likes a good LR OP. I think the reason Xiphis and forumtext didn't make any sense with their posts (and they were wtf are you on about posts) is because they probably didn't have any sense to make.
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On September 02 2013 01:59 juicyjames wrote:In somewhat related news: MVP reveals their DOTA2 squad. I'm now confused. They have a successful SC2 team (7 players in premier league S3), they have a successful LoL team who won a championship and has many sponsors, but they are in the process of selling their successful LoL team and instead pick up a DOTA2 squad which may or may not do well? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep their successful LoL team and build a DOTA2 team on the side to perhaps have three successful eSports teams? Or is this like when people do start ups and intend to sell it off for a lot of cash to build up something new? They're not rich enough to keep the team and fend off bigger offers, so they might as well sell the team while they still can.
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now is 2 of september in Korea, no more rumours will be confirmed then?
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On September 02 2013 04:31 xuanzue wrote: now is 2 of september in Korea, no more rumours will be confirmed then? I think we're done getting new rumours for now. :o However, we're still awaiting the final conclusion to some rumours, will they be true or false? Only time will tell!
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these are some scary rumors
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On September 01 2013 17:01 GenesisX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 16:38 lannisport wrote: This is more shocking than the Red Wedding. As shocking as this is, NOTHING beats the Red Wedding.
excuse me... but what the hell is RED WEDDING?
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On September 02 2013 06:32 riyanme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 17:01 GenesisX wrote:On September 01 2013 16:38 lannisport wrote: This is more shocking than the Red Wedding. As shocking as this is, NOTHING beats the Red Wedding. excuse me... but what the hell is RED WEDDING? Something from the book series A Song of Ice and Fire and its TV series adaptation Game of Thrones. Don't look into it if you ever plan on reading or watching it.
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On September 02 2013 03:58 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 02:06 Everlong wrote: I think one of the big flaws with SC2 currently might the lack of replays.
I remember when I was getting into WC3 I used to download a TON of replays and just watch them, study them, try to do it by myself against A.I. and finally against other people on ladder. Also, it was very entertaining. Then there was this waaaghtv. Man, that was awesome.
I think lack of those things really hurt SC2 in the long run, especially since it is really hard for new people to really get into it. You can watch streams, which is great, but for some reason, watching streams doesn't make me want to play more games. It's like watching TV. It won't make you make your own movies. But analyzing replays, studying build orders, observing decision making, checking mico/macro, that is completely different story. I know there are lots of replay analyzers and stuff like that. But I just want to see it happening on my screen. I want to load up replay where my favourite player is playing perfectly, etc...
Hopefully someone catches what I'm trying to say. waaaaghtv was really awesome oh god the nostalgia. waaaghtv is the fucking shit. when i started watching sc2 about a year after it came out i was really confused by the lack of replays and a waaaghtv equivalent. i thought i was too dumb to find them. turns out this shit doesn't really exist for sc2.
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Guys I have info on the next esports cataclysm: Papa Johns promises never being fulfilled and SC2 documentaries never being released causing the great shitstorm of 2013.
Of course the great shitstorm of 2012 was the Destiny thing and 2011 was PPSL.
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On September 02 2013 06:42 Dodgin wrote: Guys I have info on the next esports cataclysm: Papa Johns promises never being fulfilled and SC2 documentaries never being released causing the great shitstorm of 2013.
Of course the great shitstorm of 2012 was the Destiny thing and 2011 was PPSL. My favorite part of 2011 PPSL saga was the 2013 twist on the whole thing.
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While this is rather depressing, as a really devoted BW fan I have to say that this does not really surprise me much. The SC2 scene has consistently been on the downturn almost since the beginning. The only GSL that was truly exciting for me was Fruitdealer's win the first time around. Unlike with BW the novelty wore off fast. I stopped playing SC2 only about 8 months after I started. For me that's the shortest stint I've ever had with any kind of competitive (A)RTS game, from BW, AoE2, AoE3, WC3, LoL, and DotA2, and also the least enjoyable. The only things I ever found about SC2 that I liked better were in-game interface/usability updates and graphics. Gameplay wise BW has always been the most exciting.
If there is anyone to blame here I feel like it is Blizzard. SC2 just does not have the same quality as previous Blizzard games. The gameplay changes were often made in poor design taste. For example, two of the most egregrious violators are marauders and roaches, which simply do not fit the design philosophy of Terran/Zerg, respectively. They are, in my opinion, quite poorly designed and were the reason for a lot of imbalances (and perhaps still are). I think this is a property inherent to the current management and design teams at Blizzard, as both WoW and Diablo 3 have had similar problems. I don't think it's such a shocker that you see so many pros burn out on the game so quickly. Idra was always quite vocal about how much he disliked playing SC2 over BW but did it purely for the money. Numerous BW pros have recently been retiring (like Jangbi) and rumour has it that they simply do not enjoy SC2.
Hopefully the scene doesn't completely die. I'm sure it won't. But, at the same time I'd love to see Korean BW make a comeback, if that is at all possible. I'd most definitely spend some nights staying up late to relive those memories.
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