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On September 01 2013 17:01 GenesisX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 16:38 lannisport wrote:
This is more shocking than the Red Wedding. As shocking as this is, NOTHING beats the Red Wedding.
Episode 5 of Attack on Titan?
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On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad
Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding.
This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks.
I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least).
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If everyone in this thread stopped whining, logged on and played some games, maybe the game wouldn't be 'dying'?? Seems like you guys spend more time reading the tea leaves than actually playing. Some poor, lonely and bored nerds in here...
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On September 01 2013 17:37 Chinnro wrote:
If everyone in this thread stopped whining, logged on and played some games, maybe the game wouldn't be 'dying'?? Seems like you guys spend more time reading the tea leaves than actually playing. Some poor, lonely and bored nerds in here...
how would a couple hundred people in this thread logging on to the game itself change anything?
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On September 01 2013 18:44 deth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 17:37 Chinnro wrote:
If everyone in this thread stopped whining, logged on and played some games, maybe the game wouldn't be 'dying'?? Seems like you guys spend more time reading the tea leaves than actually playing. Some poor, lonely and bored nerds in here... how would a couple hundred people in this thread logging on to the game itself change anything?
Complaining about the game dying doesn't change anything either. If everyone saved their breaths we might reduce the air of negativity.
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On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least).
This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier.
On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband...
Slower this happen, more damage it does.
sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation.
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On September 01 2013 17:37 Chinnro wrote:
If everyone in this thread stopped whining, logged on and played some games, maybe the game wouldn't be 'dying'?? Seems like you guys spend more time reading the tea leaves than actually playing. Some poor, lonely and bored nerds in here...
Its quite boring to play this game alone, my country has only few players playing, none of my friends even KNOW sc2. It would be way more exciting if i could compete with my friends in 1v1, but now i'm just playing this game alone and my friends play lol/dota 2 couse it's free... Thats why i started to play dota 2 more and more
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On September 01 2013 18:46 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 18:44 deth wrote:On September 01 2013 17:37 Chinnro wrote:
If everyone in this thread stopped whining, logged on and played some games, maybe the game wouldn't be 'dying'?? Seems like you guys spend more time reading the tea leaves than actually playing. Some poor, lonely and bored nerds in here... how would a couple hundred people in this thread logging on to the game itself change anything? Complaining about the game dying doesn't change anything either. If everyone saved their breaths we might reduce the air of negativity.
well shit, why even have forums at all?
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On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least). This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier. Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband... Slower this happen, more damage it does. sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation.
The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch.
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I wonder if there have been any studies looking at the popularity of spectator sports and whether or not the sport is a team game or an individual game. At least in America I feel like the most popular sports (based on viewership numbers, availability on television and stuff) also tend to be team-based sports; basketball, football (American) etc. While solo sports such as golf and tennis put up respectable numbers I don't think they come quite as close as the numbers team sports pull in.
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Canada16217 Posts
On September 01 2013 19:11 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least). This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier. On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband... Slower this happen, more damage it does. sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation. The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch.
It's not boring to watch, and the skill ceiling is not low at all don't talk like what you say is a fact when it's not, many people enjoy watching SC2. Your first criticism is valid some-what.
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It's not like pro players have a lot of options. If you are not a top tier SC2 player (maybe 20 players) then you can't switch to LoL, you have to either get better or retire. There will come a point where there will be a huge lack of talent coming into the game (it's probably already happening now) and at the same time the top players will have had so much practice and time invested in the game that nobody is going to be able to catch up. Because there is a gloomy feeling for SC2 where people don't want to bet on the scene thriving in three years or so, there is no point in starting from scratch right now, you're better off with moba games. Every year more and more players will get the message that they won't be able to catch up, that they have ever fewer chances for an ever smaller prize pool and as such the pro scene will become increasingly small, similar to the situation in WC3 where in the end you just had 10 relevant players that were leagues beyond the rest.
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On September 01 2013 19:11 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least). This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier. On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband... Slower this happen, more damage it does. sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation. The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch.
I don't understand this criticism. I don't even watch SC2 anymore, but saying it has a low skill ceiling is ridiculous. No one has reached the ceiling. No it's not Brood War, but it's still one of the hardest games to have come out recently, and is quite impressive to play well.
The problems of Starcraft 2 are many, but skill ceiling is definitely not one.
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On September 01 2013 19:11 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least). This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier. On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband... Slower this happen, more damage it does. sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation. The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch.
Right, that's why LoL is struggling.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 01 2013 19:11 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least). This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier. On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband... Slower this happen, more damage it does. sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation. The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch.
I keep hearing this and I think it's just as stupid every time. What skill ceiling? No human being can reasonably reach a hypothetical skill ceiling because it would require you to do everything perfectly, and there's just no way. "Very boring" is also very subjective - I think the game is very entertaining and judging by viewer counts, so do tens of thousands of others. There are design issues, yes, but please don't try to make your own opinion a fact.
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On September 01 2013 20:10 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 19:11 Highways wrote:On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least). This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier. On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband... Slower this happen, more damage it does. sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation. The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch. Right, that's why LoL is struggling.
LoL happens to be really enjoyable to play for a lot of people because there's an active casual scene as a result of it being a team-based game with obvious progression and opportunities to game with friends.
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On September 01 2013 23:51 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 20:10 Karpfen wrote:On September 01 2013 19:11 Highways wrote:On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least). This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier. On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband... Slower this happen, more damage it does. sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation. The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch. Right, that's why LoL is struggling. LoL happens to be really enjoyable to play for a lot of people because there's an active casual scene as a result of it being a team-based game with obvious progression and opportunities to game with friends.
Not to mention you never have to take responsibility for your bad play. You have teammates to blame when you go 0-12 that they weren't around to help you. People don't like taking responsibilities for their mistakes.
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On September 01 2013 23:59 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 23:51 Shiori wrote:On September 01 2013 20:10 Karpfen wrote:On September 01 2013 19:11 Highways wrote:On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding. This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks. I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least). This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier. On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me... Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next. Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband... Slower this happen, more damage it does. sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation. The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch. Right, that's why LoL is struggling. LoL happens to be really enjoyable to play for a lot of people because there's an active casual scene as a result of it being a team-based game with obvious progression and opportunities to game with friends. Not to mention you never have to take responsibility for your bad play. You have teammates to blame when you go 0-12 that they weren't around to help you. People don't like taking responsibilities for their mistakes.
That's not a problem for SC2, we have balance for that.
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On September 01 2013 18:46 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 18:44 deth wrote:On September 01 2013 17:37 Chinnro wrote:
If everyone in this thread stopped whining, logged on and played some games, maybe the game wouldn't be 'dying'?? Seems like you guys spend more time reading the tea leaves than actually playing. Some poor, lonely and bored nerds in here... how would a couple hundred people in this thread logging on to the game itself change anything? Complaining about the game dying doesn't change anything either. If everyone saved their breaths we might reduce the air of negativity.
Good or bad, it does change things. Almost all the (big)changes we've seen in SC2 started as a 'complain' or 'suggestion' depending on your angle.
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