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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 01 2013 16:23 GMT
#521
Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 01 2013 16:27 GMT
#522
On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote:
Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something


Yeah contribute to SC2 by writing essays on how to ameliorate the gameplay and design for spectators to enjoy more and for players to have more fun!

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh wait..+ Show Spoiler +
I think...+ Show Spoiler +
that has been done...+ Show Spoiler +
plenty of times...
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 01 2013 16:34 GMT
#523
On September 02 2013 01:27 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote:
Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something


Yeah contribute to SC2 by writing essays on how to ameliorate the gameplay and design for spectators to enjoy more and for players to have more fun!

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh wait..+ Show Spoiler +
I think...+ Show Spoiler +
that has been done...+ Show Spoiler +
plenty of times...


I don't find your comment amusing in the slightest. He suggested an obviously simple form of helping, but at least he suggested something.
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eX Killy
Profile Joined November 2012
Taiwan906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 16:38:47
September 01 2013 16:37 GMT
#524
On September 02 2013 01:34 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 01:27 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote:
Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something


Yeah contribute to SC2 by writing essays on how to ameliorate the gameplay and design for spectators to enjoy more and for players to have more fun!

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh wait..+ Show Spoiler +
I think...+ Show Spoiler +
that has been done...+ Show Spoiler +
plenty of times...


I don't find your comment amusing in the slightest. He suggested an obviously simple form of helping, but at least he suggested something.

shhh...people like to bitch so they can say "i told you so" and feel important. it'd be impolite to interrupt them while they whine.
telling it like it is
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 01 2013 16:38 GMT
#525
On September 02 2013 01:34 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 01:27 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote:
Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something


Yeah contribute to SC2 by writing essays on how to ameliorate the gameplay and design for spectators to enjoy more and for players to have more fun!

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh wait..+ Show Spoiler +
I think...+ Show Spoiler +
that has been done...+ Show Spoiler +
plenty of times...


I don't find your comment amusing in the slightest. He suggested an obviously simple form of helping, but at least he suggested something.


I didn't understand his reply at all lol
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
September 01 2013 16:42 GMT
#526
On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote:
Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something

I don't know about you, but I find LR for games boring. Only thing I check is OP and latest post for the discussion and lulz. To me, live reports don't contribute to the game and its amusement whatsoever. Plus if I was to write a LR, that means I'm not enjoying the game as much as I could be because I have to divert my attention from watching the cast to doing something else. Granted, I'm usually doing something else anyways when games are streaming.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 01 2013 16:45 GMT
#527
On September 02 2013 01:42 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote:
Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something

I don't know about you, but I find LR for games boring. Only thing I check is OP and latest post for the discussion and lulz. To me, live reports don't contribute to the game and its amusement whatsoever. Plus if I was to write a LR, that means I'm not enjoying the game as much as I could be because I have to divert my attention from watching the cast to doing something else. Granted, I'm usually doing something else anyways when games are streaming.


A lot of people ask for LRs because they can't watch the games and want to know what is happening. Either they are at work or they can't watch a stream at the time. Just because you find them 'boring' doesn't mean they aren't important contributions to the scene :p

And not enjoying the games while LRing just makes it even more impressive that Shellbot and The_Templar, and others, so willingly do it.

If only we all had that kind of productive dedication and love for the game.
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forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
September 01 2013 16:52 GMT
#528
On September 02 2013 01:45 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 01:42 geokilla wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote:
Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something

I don't know about you, but I find LR for games boring. Only thing I check is OP and latest post for the discussion and lulz. To me, live reports don't contribute to the game and its amusement whatsoever. Plus if I was to write a LR, that means I'm not enjoying the game as much as I could be because I have to divert my attention from watching the cast to doing something else. Granted, I'm usually doing something else anyways when games are streaming.


A lot of people ask for LRs because they can't watch the games and want to know what is happening. Either they are at work or they can't watch a stream at the time. Just because you find them 'boring' doesn't mean they aren't important contributions to the scene :p


In other words, just because some of the 'suggestions' and 'reasoning' doesn't tick for you, it doesn't mean the poster is a "sc2dead-mongering". You seem to have no problem accepting and believing in what you do, yet you have no capacity for other's view.

Double standard no?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 01 2013 16:54 GMT
#529
On September 02 2013 01:52 forumtext wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 01:45 lichter wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:42 geokilla wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:23 lichter wrote:
Instead of sc2dead-mongering you dudes could just contribute to SC2, like maybe do an LR OP or do LRs for games or something

I don't know about you, but I find LR for games boring. Only thing I check is OP and latest post for the discussion and lulz. To me, live reports don't contribute to the game and its amusement whatsoever. Plus if I was to write a LR, that means I'm not enjoying the game as much as I could be because I have to divert my attention from watching the cast to doing something else. Granted, I'm usually doing something else anyways when games are streaming.


A lot of people ask for LRs because they can't watch the games and want to know what is happening. Either they are at work or they can't watch a stream at the time. Just because you find them 'boring' doesn't mean they aren't important contributions to the scene :p


In other words, just because some of the 'suggestions' and 'reasoning' doesn't tick for you, it doesn't mean the poster is a "sc2dead-mongering". You seem to have no problem accepting and believing in what you do, yet you have no capacity for other's view.

Double standard no?


That makes zero sense.

(also I'm going to bed)
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 01 2013 16:57 GMT
#530
@ forumtext, lichter is tired and deluded, once he takes his beauty sleep, he'll be back on track, I can assure that.
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Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
September 01 2013 16:57 GMT
#531
Why can't sc2 community just be positive instead of killing itself,
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juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
September 01 2013 16:59 GMT
#532
In somewhat related news: MVP reveals their DOTA2 squad.

I'm now confused. They have a successful SC2 team (7 players in premier league S3), they have a successful LoL team who won a championship and has many sponsors, but they are in the process of selling their successful LoL team and instead pick up a DOTA2 squad which may or may not do well?

Wouldn't it make more sense to keep their successful LoL team and build a DOTA2 team on the side to perhaps have three successful eSports teams? Or is this like when people do start ups and intend to sell it off for a lot of cash to build up something new?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 17:01:48
September 01 2013 17:00 GMT
#533
I guess the second part, juicyjames, but doesn't it seem rather unlikely that dota will ever become as big as league in Korea since they share the same genre and League already has KeSPA support?
I guess they want to sell off the LoL team while it is still at/near it's peak (don't know for sure but I remember hearing that they were winning a lot) so they could net the largest profit
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 01 2013 17:01 GMT
#534
On September 02 2013 01:59 juicyjames wrote:
In somewhat related news: MVP reveals their DOTA2 squad.

I'm now confused. They have a successful SC2 team (7 players in premier league S3), they have a successful LoL team who won a championship and has many sponsors, but they are in the process of selling their successful LoL team and instead pick up a DOTA2 squad which may or may not do well?

Wouldn't it make more sense to keep their successful LoL team and build a DOTA2 team on the side to perhaps have three successful eSports teams? Or is this like when people do start ups and intend to sell it off for a lot of cash to build up something new?

One can only hope MVP has psychic powers and knows LoL will die soon.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 01 2013 17:02 GMT
#535
Someone may have given them a really good offer. With present information, though, I agree that MVP selling off Ozone looks kind of weird, but if they managed to grow one top team (I'm assuming they grew it), they might think they should be able to grow another?
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TriO
Profile Joined July 2011
United States421 Posts
September 01 2013 17:06 GMT
#536
On September 01 2013 19:25 RagequitBM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 19:11 Highways wrote:
On September 01 2013 18:49 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On September 01 2013 17:20 BlackPanther wrote:
On September 01 2013 14:04 lichter wrote:
Is that really it? I was really expecting hell but this is actually not bad


Haha that's just today. Who knows how much worse its going to get before the year is out. I imagine that there are going to be at least a couple more Korean SC2 teams disbanding.

This whole situation is sad as hell. The scene is being dominated by MOBAs which I find very unenjoyable to watch and play. SC2 is being incompetently managed and designed by Blizzard. Whatever resemblance of a scene that exists in Korea is being replaced by LoL and World of Tanks.

I think it'll come to a point where the Korean scene gives out completely and to the point where the skill level we currently see in SC2 will diminish. When that happens the SC2 scene will truely die (for me at least).

This is only good. I want few more team to disband and much more progamers to retire. Like I said earlier.
On September 01 2013 03:55 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:47 TwilightRain wrote:
On September 01 2013 03:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
As fan of foreign sc2 this is meanless for me...

Without at least a halfway "healthy" Korean sc2 scene, there is a pretty big chance "foreign sc2" will follow suit next.

Why people don't remember that when kespa joined sc2 korean pro player pool got double. That's not good or normal for scene. Way too many players for this scene. This is just good. We all knew that someday some teams have to disband...


Slower this happen, more damage it does.

sc2 in korea is in trickly position right now. kespa is killing gom and gom is killing kespa. There isnt room for both with current situation.


The main reason why SC2 is struggling is because it is a badly designed game. Skill ceiling too low and very boring to watch.

I don't understand this criticism. I don't even watch SC2 anymore, but saying it has a low skill ceiling is ridiculous. No one has reached the ceiling. No it's not Brood War, but it's still one of the hardest games to have come out recently, and is quite impressive to play well.

The problems of Starcraft 2 are many, but skill ceiling is definitely not one.


If its one of the hardest games why are pro gamers quitting left and right?
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Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 17:08:00
September 01 2013 17:06 GMT
#537
I think one of the big flaws with SC2 currently might the lack of replays.

I remember when I was getting into WC3 I used to download a TON of replays and just watch them, study them, try to do it by myself against A.I. and finally against other people on ladder. Also, it was very entertaining. Then there was this waaaghtv. Man, that was awesome.

I think lack of those things really hurt SC2 in the long run, especially since it is really hard for new people to really get into it. You can watch streams, which is great, but for some reason, watching streams doesn't make me want to play more games. It's like watching TV. It won't make you make your own movies. But analyzing replays, studying build orders, observing decision making, checking mico/macro, that is completely different story. I know there are lots of replay analyzers and stuff like that. But I just want to see it happening on my screen. I want to load up replay where my favourite player is playing perfectly, etc...

Hopefully someone catches what I'm trying to say.
ForgeGG
Profile Joined July 2013
1 Post
September 01 2013 17:07 GMT
#538
Sad for players and everyone else who makes a living from sc2, but it just feels so good to know this community might get what it deserves. All the people who said "who cares?" whenever a map maker or pro retired. Half of the LR threads. Reddit. Congratulations
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
September 01 2013 17:08 GMT
#539
On September 02 2013 02:06 Everlong wrote:
I think one of the big flaws with SC2 currently might the lack of replays.

I remember when I was getting into WC3 I used to download a TON of replays and just watch them, study them, try to do it by myself against A.I. and finally against other people on ladder. Also, it was very entertaining. Then there was this waaaghtv. Man, that was awesome.

I think lack of those things really hurt SC2 in the long run, especially since it is really hard for new people to really get into it. You can watch streams, which is great, but for some reason, watching streams doesn't make me want to play more games. It's like watching TV. It won't make you make movies. But analyzing replays, studying build orders, observing decision making, checking mico/macro, that is completely different story. I know there are lots of replay analyzers and stuff like that. But I just want to see it happening on my screen. I want to load up replay where my favourite player is playing perfectly, etc...

Hopefully someone catches what I'm trying to say.

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Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
September 01 2013 17:12 GMT
#540
On September 02 2013 02:08 juicyjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 02:06 Everlong wrote:
I think one of the big flaws with SC2 currently might the lack of replays.

I remember when I was getting into WC3 I used to download a TON of replays and just watch them, study them, try to do it by myself against A.I. and finally against other people on ladder. Also, it was very entertaining. Then there was this waaaghtv. Man, that was awesome.

I think lack of those things really hurt SC2 in the long run, especially since it is really hard for new people to really get into it. You can watch streams, which is great, but for some reason, watching streams doesn't make me want to play more games. It's like watching TV. It won't make you make movies. But analyzing replays, studying build orders, observing decision making, checking mico/macro, that is completely different story. I know there are lots of replay analyzers and stuff like that. But I just want to see it happening on my screen. I want to load up replay where my favourite player is playing perfectly, etc...

Hopefully someone catches what I'm trying to say.

Good news! WCS Now Supports GGTracker Analytics, All WCS S1 and S2 Replays Released!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427460


Oh yeah, that is great actually. If only this was standard these days. :-)
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