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On September 01 2013 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:On September 01 2013 13:11 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:07 coolman123123 wrote:On September 01 2013 13:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 12:54 Thrillz wrote:On September 01 2013 12:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:I voted the guy doing pushups on the bottom of the page Looks like what was expected, IM/MVP/Prime joins Kespa and leaves eSF. Sounds to me like MVP is totally dead? Anyway, I haven't bought into any of this whole SC2 is in trouble hype until now. This is bad. Blizzard needs to fix the Siege Tank, everyone loves it, and it would bring people back.
That and the Carrier. If only it were that simple Maybe I just live in a shell, but I stopped watching a lot of SC2 when TvZ became what it is now. A good TvZ between two great players back in WOL (before the Infestor took over) was probably the most exciting competition I've ever watched. But I feel like the game stale. TvP has been the same for how long? TvZ isn't as good. ZvP has more and more Swarmhosts, which are the ultimate turtle and boring unit. One base timings are nearly extinct, and two base timings are going that way too. Blizzard should start people on two bases, because no one wants to watch the same build up and no action for 8+ minutes. I feel like if Starcraft had the excitement, and was as exciting to watch as it used to be, it could compete with the MOBAs. A lot of what you said is outdated, TvP has changed in subtle but important ways with more emphasis on ghost Viking and even the occasional hellbat transition, and really swarm hosts aren't massed anymore. And idk about you but TvZ is fucking amazing. I feel like subtle changes aren't enough to make TvP interesting. And I want you to watch this. I was so excited during this game that I was banned on TL for saying stupid things in the LR thread. The only time I've been banned on TL too. Please, tell me that current TvZ comes even close to this glory: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlxkyo_mlg-orlando-2011-starcraft-ii-game-1-2-3-eg-idra-z-vs-st-bomber-t-part-1-2_videogames?search_algo=2
Bomber vs Idra? Really?
Dream vs Scarlett on Red City alone was way better than any of those games. There were probably even several from 2012 ZvTs that were cooler.
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On September 01 2013 14:41 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:On September 01 2013 13:11 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:07 coolman123123 wrote:On September 01 2013 13:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 12:54 Thrillz wrote:On September 01 2013 12:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:I voted the guy doing pushups on the bottom of the page Looks like what was expected, IM/MVP/Prime joins Kespa and leaves eSF. Sounds to me like MVP is totally dead? Anyway, I haven't bought into any of this whole SC2 is in trouble hype until now. This is bad. Blizzard needs to fix the Siege Tank, everyone loves it, and it would bring people back.
That and the Carrier. If only it were that simple Maybe I just live in a shell, but I stopped watching a lot of SC2 when TvZ became what it is now. A good TvZ between two great players back in WOL (before the Infestor took over) was probably the most exciting competition I've ever watched. But I feel like the game stale. TvP has been the same for how long? TvZ isn't as good. ZvP has more and more Swarmhosts, which are the ultimate turtle and boring unit. One base timings are nearly extinct, and two base timings are going that way too. Blizzard should start people on two bases, because no one wants to watch the same build up and no action for 8+ minutes. I feel like if Starcraft had the excitement, and was as exciting to watch as it used to be, it could compete with the MOBAs. A lot of what you said is outdated, TvP has changed in subtle but important ways with more emphasis on ghost Viking and even the occasional hellbat transition, and really swarm hosts aren't massed anymore. And idk about you but TvZ is fucking amazing. I feel like subtle changes aren't enough to make TvP interesting. And I want you to watch this. I was so excited during this game that I was banned on TL for saying stupid things in the LR thread. The only time I've been banned on TL too. Please, tell me that current TvZ comes even close to this glory: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlxkyo_mlg-orlando-2011-starcraft-ii-game-1-2-3-eg-idra-z-vs-st-bomber-t-part-1-2_videogames?search_algo=2 Yes, I find nr15's very entertaining as well.
lol. While you make a valid although sarcastic point, I have to say that I have to agree with Bronzeknee. I enjoyed the HoTS TvZ with biomine because it was new, unique, exciting etc... but seeing Polt 4-0 Jaedong, Innovation wiping the floor with majority of zerg using the same strat led me to start hating it. It feels really abusive. At least in the old days of MMT, it was more about skill but now you are banking on luck as well and if you keep pushing a Zerg using biomine, they are bound to slip up eventually and give in. It just doesn't feel right and isn't as exciting to watch anymore.
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the greatest sc2 drama has yet to come...
top rating bw/sc2 drama's of all time...
1st jessica-slayers drama
2nd match-fixing
3rd sc2 doomsday
4th idra/naniwa specials
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37123 Posts
On September 01 2013 13:03 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 12:56 Dodgin wrote:
I'm pretty sure what I just linked is an interview with the 3 teams leaving eSF, maybe just the coaches.
Someone shine the Seeker signal. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DsJpPIz.png)
Sup?
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Holy crap the difference in tasteless from that jjakji vs leenock game and today is astonishing.
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BW forever <3
SC2 killing Korean e-sports.
Or, as I like to think of it, SC2 is slowly revitalising BW. 
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On September 01 2013 14:50 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 14:41 Chaggi wrote:On September 01 2013 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:On September 01 2013 13:11 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:07 coolman123123 wrote:On September 01 2013 13:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 12:54 Thrillz wrote:On September 01 2013 12:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:I voted the guy doing pushups on the bottom of the page Looks like what was expected, IM/MVP/Prime joins Kespa and leaves eSF. Sounds to me like MVP is totally dead? Anyway, I haven't bought into any of this whole SC2 is in trouble hype until now. This is bad. Blizzard needs to fix the Siege Tank, everyone loves it, and it would bring people back.
That and the Carrier. If only it were that simple Maybe I just live in a shell, but I stopped watching a lot of SC2 when TvZ became what it is now. A good TvZ between two great players back in WOL (before the Infestor took over) was probably the most exciting competition I've ever watched. But I feel like the game stale. TvP has been the same for how long? TvZ isn't as good. ZvP has more and more Swarmhosts, which are the ultimate turtle and boring unit. One base timings are nearly extinct, and two base timings are going that way too. Blizzard should start people on two bases, because no one wants to watch the same build up and no action for 8+ minutes. I feel like if Starcraft had the excitement, and was as exciting to watch as it used to be, it could compete with the MOBAs. A lot of what you said is outdated, TvP has changed in subtle but important ways with more emphasis on ghost Viking and even the occasional hellbat transition, and really swarm hosts aren't massed anymore. And idk about you but TvZ is fucking amazing. I feel like subtle changes aren't enough to make TvP interesting. And I want you to watch this. I was so excited during this game that I was banned on TL for saying stupid things in the LR thread. The only time I've been banned on TL too. Please, tell me that current TvZ comes even close to this glory: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlxkyo_mlg-orlando-2011-starcraft-ii-game-1-2-3-eg-idra-z-vs-st-bomber-t-part-1-2_videogames?search_algo=2 Yes, I find nr15's very entertaining as well. lol. While you make a valid although sarcastic point, I have to say that I have to agree with Bronzeknee. I enjoyed the HoTS TvZ with biomine because it was new, unique, exciting etc... but seeing Polt 4-0 Jaedong, Innovation wiping the floor with majority of zerg using the same strat led me to start hating it. It feels really abusive. At least in the old days of MMT, it was more about skill but now you are banking on luck as well and if you keep pushing a Zerg using biomine, they are bound to slip up eventually and give in. It just doesn't feel right and isn't as exciting to watch anymore.
While I can agree with how abusive everything is, and looks and realistically there's probably some imbalance in it. TvZ with tanks was just painful. You lose a group of tanks on creep? That sucks for you, you've basically just lost the game right there. There was no good way to reproduce it and while Broodlord/Infestor was the ultimate problem at the end of WoL, a huge problem was the fact with the 6 queen opening, Zergs were able to get creep out super far, basically delaying any sort of push from the Terran that didn't want to gamble.
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On September 01 2013 15:17 bo1b wrote:
Holy crap the difference in tasteless from that jjakji vs leenock game and today is astonishing.
In what sense? He seemed pretty similar to me?
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On September 01 2013 15:26 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 14:50 BigFan wrote:On September 01 2013 14:41 Chaggi wrote:On September 01 2013 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:On September 01 2013 13:11 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:07 coolman123123 wrote:On September 01 2013 13:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 12:54 Thrillz wrote:On September 01 2013 12:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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I voted the guy doing pushups on the bottom of the page Looks like what was expected, IM/MVP/Prime joins Kespa and leaves eSF. Sounds to me like MVP is totally dead? Anyway, I haven't bought into any of this whole SC2 is in trouble hype until now. This is bad. Blizzard needs to fix the Siege Tank, everyone loves it, and it would bring people back.
That and the Carrier. If only it were that simple Maybe I just live in a shell, but I stopped watching a lot of SC2 when TvZ became what it is now. A good TvZ between two great players back in WOL (before the Infestor took over) was probably the most exciting competition I've ever watched. But I feel like the game stale. TvP has been the same for how long? TvZ isn't as good. ZvP has more and more Swarmhosts, which are the ultimate turtle and boring unit. One base timings are nearly extinct, and two base timings are going that way too. Blizzard should start people on two bases, because no one wants to watch the same build up and no action for 8+ minutes. I feel like if Starcraft had the excitement, and was as exciting to watch as it used to be, it could compete with the MOBAs. A lot of what you said is outdated, TvP has changed in subtle but important ways with more emphasis on ghost Viking and even the occasional hellbat transition, and really swarm hosts aren't massed anymore. And idk about you but TvZ is fucking amazing. I feel like subtle changes aren't enough to make TvP interesting. And I want you to watch this. I was so excited during this game that I was banned on TL for saying stupid things in the LR thread. The only time I've been banned on TL too. Please, tell me that current TvZ comes even close to this glory: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlxkyo_mlg-orlando-2011-starcraft-ii-game-1-2-3-eg-idra-z-vs-st-bomber-t-part-1-2_videogames?search_algo=2 Yes, I find nr15's very entertaining as well. lol. While you make a valid although sarcastic point, I have to say that I have to agree with Bronzeknee. I enjoyed the HoTS TvZ with biomine because it was new, unique, exciting etc... but seeing Polt 4-0 Jaedong, Innovation wiping the floor with majority of zerg using the same strat led me to start hating it. It feels really abusive. At least in the old days of MMT, it was more about skill but now you are banking on luck as well and if you keep pushing a Zerg using biomine, they are bound to slip up eventually and give in. It just doesn't feel right and isn't as exciting to watch anymore. While I can agree with how abusive everything is, and looks and realistically there's probably some imbalance in it. TvZ with tanks was just painful. You lose a group of tanks on creep? That sucks for you, you've basically just lost the game right there. There was no good way to reproduce it and while Broodlord/Infestor was the ultimate problem at the end of WoL, a huge problem was the fact with the 6 queen opening, Zergs were able to get creep out super far, basically delaying any sort of push from the Terran that didn't want to gamble.
thing is, you can always get two factories, double tank production or even tank+mine production with MM as support. The mines can protect the tanks from surrounds as long as the marines prevent zerglings from setting them off etc... It's doesn't have to be only biomine TvZ like we're seeing for most TvZs. It just gets old really fast
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Hopefully sc2bw will swoop in and save the scene. Watched a match recently and it was 100x more entertaiming than any sc2 game ive seen lately. Im high.
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On September 01 2013 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:On September 01 2013 13:11 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:07 coolman123123 wrote:On September 01 2013 13:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 12:54 Thrillz wrote:On September 01 2013 12:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:I voted the guy doing pushups on the bottom of the page Looks like what was expected, IM/MVP/Prime joins Kespa and leaves eSF. Sounds to me like MVP is totally dead? Anyway, I haven't bought into any of this whole SC2 is in trouble hype until now. This is bad. Blizzard needs to fix the Siege Tank, everyone loves it, and it would bring people back.
That and the Carrier. If only it were that simple Maybe I just live in a shell, but I stopped watching a lot of SC2 when TvZ became what it is now. A good TvZ between two great players back in WOL (before the Infestor took over) was probably the most exciting competition I've ever watched. But I feel like the game stale. TvP has been the same for how long? TvZ isn't as good. ZvP has more and more Swarmhosts, which are the ultimate turtle and boring unit. One base timings are nearly extinct, and two base timings are going that way too. Blizzard should start people on two bases, because no one wants to watch the same build up and no action for 8+ minutes. I feel like if Starcraft had the excitement, and was as exciting to watch as it used to be, it could compete with the MOBAs. A lot of what you said is outdated, TvP has changed in subtle but important ways with more emphasis on ghost Viking and even the occasional hellbat transition, and really swarm hosts aren't massed anymore. And idk about you but TvZ is fucking amazing. I feel like subtle changes aren't enough to make TvP interesting. And I want you to watch this. I was so excited during this game that I was banned on TL for saying stupid things in the LR thread. The only time I've been banned on TL too. Please, tell me that current TvZ comes even close to this glory: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlxkyo_mlg-orlando-2011-starcraft-ii-game-1-2-3-eg-idra-z-vs-st-bomber-t-part-1-2_videogames?search_algo=2
Yeah, you clearly haven't watched the game in a long time. And even then you apparently weren't watching much. -_-
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On September 01 2013 14:01 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 13:53 Everlong wrote:
Can someone explain to me what happened lol? :D Supernovamaniac(the guy who was not well liked as a caster), apparently translated a bunch of rumors about stuff that MIGHT happen because Ethan_ahn wrote that a cataclysm or something was happening in SC2. Everyone freaked out for like the 30th time in the last 3 or 4 months about how SC2 was going to die at least in Korea. Then, half of the original rumors have been debunked or turned out to be basically non-issues. So just another normal day here in the SC2 community.
That seems like a good summation to me. So a whole bunch of new players came into the SC2 scene. Some adapted, some have not, some look like they are not inclined to even really try (either because the game is not for them or they don't have the willingness to learn). Meanwhile some sponsors pull sticks because they have financial trouble, and because LOL is more attractive to many Koreans at the moment. While old BW fans indulge in fantasies that old players will return to BW and that BW will (somehow) return to its former glory because SC2 is apparently a shit game that is fundamentally flawed in design.
So, yeah, another normal day (more or less) in the SC2 community.
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On September 01 2013 15:41 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:On September 01 2013 13:11 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:07 coolman123123 wrote:On September 01 2013 13:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 12:54 Thrillz wrote:On September 01 2013 12:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:I voted the guy doing pushups on the bottom of the page Looks like what was expected, IM/MVP/Prime joins Kespa and leaves eSF. Sounds to me like MVP is totally dead? Anyway, I haven't bought into any of this whole SC2 is in trouble hype until now. This is bad. Blizzard needs to fix the Siege Tank, everyone loves it, and it would bring people back.
That and the Carrier. If only it were that simple Maybe I just live in a shell, but I stopped watching a lot of SC2 when TvZ became what it is now. A good TvZ between two great players back in WOL (before the Infestor took over) was probably the most exciting competition I've ever watched. But I feel like the game stale. TvP has been the same for how long? TvZ isn't as good. ZvP has more and more Swarmhosts, which are the ultimate turtle and boring unit. One base timings are nearly extinct, and two base timings are going that way too. Blizzard should start people on two bases, because no one wants to watch the same build up and no action for 8+ minutes. I feel like if Starcraft had the excitement, and was as exciting to watch as it used to be, it could compete with the MOBAs. A lot of what you said is outdated, TvP has changed in subtle but important ways with more emphasis on ghost Viking and even the occasional hellbat transition, and really swarm hosts aren't massed anymore. And idk about you but TvZ is fucking amazing. I feel like subtle changes aren't enough to make TvP interesting. And I want you to watch this. I was so excited during this game that I was banned on TL for saying stupid things in the LR thread. The only time I've been banned on TL too. Please, tell me that current TvZ comes even close to this glory: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlxkyo_mlg-orlando-2011-starcraft-ii-game-1-2-3-eg-idra-z-vs-st-bomber-t-part-1-2_videogames?search_algo=2 Yeah, you clearly haven't watched the game in a long time. And even then you apparently weren't watching much. -_-
I still maintain that it was the best series TvZ I've watched. I just re-watched it, and the game was so dynamic back then. So interesting.
I should probably note that they are two of my favorite players too... so I'm a bit biased. But the games were still awesome, so much more exciting than the TvZ games of today.
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On September 01 2013 15:50 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 15:41 aZealot wrote:On September 01 2013 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:On September 01 2013 13:11 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:07 coolman123123 wrote:On September 01 2013 13:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 12:54 Thrillz wrote:On September 01 2013 12:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:I voted the guy doing pushups on the bottom of the page Looks like what was expected, IM/MVP/Prime joins Kespa and leaves eSF. Sounds to me like MVP is totally dead? Anyway, I haven't bought into any of this whole SC2 is in trouble hype until now. This is bad. Blizzard needs to fix the Siege Tank, everyone loves it, and it would bring people back.
That and the Carrier. If only it were that simple Maybe I just live in a shell, but I stopped watching a lot of SC2 when TvZ became what it is now. A good TvZ between two great players back in WOL (before the Infestor took over) was probably the most exciting competition I've ever watched. But I feel like the game stale. TvP has been the same for how long? TvZ isn't as good. ZvP has more and more Swarmhosts, which are the ultimate turtle and boring unit. One base timings are nearly extinct, and two base timings are going that way too. Blizzard should start people on two bases, because no one wants to watch the same build up and no action for 8+ minutes. I feel like if Starcraft had the excitement, and was as exciting to watch as it used to be, it could compete with the MOBAs. A lot of what you said is outdated, TvP has changed in subtle but important ways with more emphasis on ghost Viking and even the occasional hellbat transition, and really swarm hosts aren't massed anymore. And idk about you but TvZ is fucking amazing. I feel like subtle changes aren't enough to make TvP interesting. And I want you to watch this. I was so excited during this game that I was banned on TL for saying stupid things in the LR thread. The only time I've been banned on TL too. Please, tell me that current TvZ comes even close to this glory: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlxkyo_mlg-orlando-2011-starcraft-ii-game-1-2-3-eg-idra-z-vs-st-bomber-t-part-1-2_videogames?search_algo=2 Yeah, you clearly haven't watched the game in a long time. And even then you apparently weren't watching much. -_- I still maintain that it was the best series TvZ I've watched. I just re-watched it, and the game was so dynamic back then. So interesting. I should probably note that they are two of my favorite players too... so I'm a bit biased. But the games were still awesome, so much more exciting than the TvZ games of today.
I don't get how you can find that more exciting then today's TvZ's o.O
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On September 01 2013 15:02 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 13:03 Lunareste wrote:On September 01 2013 12:56 Dodgin wrote:
I'm pretty sure what I just linked is an interview with the 3 teams leaving eSF, maybe just the coaches.
Someone shine the Seeker signal. Sup?
I think someone already translated it, friend. I shall call upon you another time.
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On September 01 2013 15:50 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 15:41 aZealot wrote:On September 01 2013 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:On September 01 2013 13:11 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 13:07 coolman123123 wrote:On September 01 2013 13:06 BronzeKnee wrote:On September 01 2013 12:54 Thrillz wrote:On September 01 2013 12:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:I voted the guy doing pushups on the bottom of the page Looks like what was expected, IM/MVP/Prime joins Kespa and leaves eSF. Sounds to me like MVP is totally dead? Anyway, I haven't bought into any of this whole SC2 is in trouble hype until now. This is bad. Blizzard needs to fix the Siege Tank, everyone loves it, and it would bring people back.
That and the Carrier. If only it were that simple Maybe I just live in a shell, but I stopped watching a lot of SC2 when TvZ became what it is now. A good TvZ between two great players back in WOL (before the Infestor took over) was probably the most exciting competition I've ever watched. But I feel like the game stale. TvP has been the same for how long? TvZ isn't as good. ZvP has more and more Swarmhosts, which are the ultimate turtle and boring unit. One base timings are nearly extinct, and two base timings are going that way too. Blizzard should start people on two bases, because no one wants to watch the same build up and no action for 8+ minutes. I feel like if Starcraft had the excitement, and was as exciting to watch as it used to be, it could compete with the MOBAs. A lot of what you said is outdated, TvP has changed in subtle but important ways with more emphasis on ghost Viking and even the occasional hellbat transition, and really swarm hosts aren't massed anymore. And idk about you but TvZ is fucking amazing. I feel like subtle changes aren't enough to make TvP interesting. And I want you to watch this. I was so excited during this game that I was banned on TL for saying stupid things in the LR thread. The only time I've been banned on TL too. Please, tell me that current TvZ comes even close to this glory: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlxkyo_mlg-orlando-2011-starcraft-ii-game-1-2-3-eg-idra-z-vs-st-bomber-t-part-1-2_videogames?search_algo=2 Yeah, you clearly haven't watched the game in a long time. And even then you apparently weren't watching much. -_- I still maintain that it was the best series TvZ I've watched. I just re-watched it, and the game was so dynamic back then. So interesting. I should probably note that they are two of my favorite players too... so I'm a bit biased. But the games were still awesome, so much more exciting than the TvZ games of today.
Fair enough. It was a good series. But, for me, I don't see it as more exciting than comparable TvZ games of today. I just re-watched g1. It was good to see Bomber's monster macro and mass Marines until Idra's Infestors and insta-fungal. I think some of the excitement might be from the fact that it was 2011 and there was a lot of E-Sports/SC2 hype at that time.
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This is more shocking than the Red Wedding.
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On September 01 2013 16:38 lannisport wrote:
This is more shocking than the Red Wedding.
Needless to say, someone from Lannisport ought to know what the Lannisters are capable of.
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On September 01 2013 16:38 lannisport wrote:
This is more shocking than the Red Wedding.
As shocking as this is, NOTHING beats the Red Wedding.
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