On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
In the topic: people complaining about 3 Code S players moving in other Regions (MC, TaeJa, Hyun) and claiming that GSL is not the same (well, it's true Mvp is in Code B as of end of WoL).
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Community will always have problems with whatever thing Blizzard will do with SC2 and/or e-sports. That is the definition of community after all.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
i wonder how many people actually watch the "regional" plays. I watched one of the U&D with only european players and they were god awful. I don't watch any of these games (regularly) and I wouldn't if they were the quarter finals or w/e. This whole mess is just because eu&am players suck to a degree that they can't fill a RO48 reasonably.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Changing WCS this late won't get SC2's viewers back. The moment the hype for HotS went away, SC2 viewers dropped to WoL levels near the end of it's run.
Blizzard has to do something extremely drastic to get something going because at this rate they are already losing to DotA 2 in most every possible way. And of course don't even mention LoL because they won't get there. 1 Streamer from LoL beats out a tournament SC2 stream currently.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Changing WCS this late won't get SC2's viewers back. The moment the hype for HotS went away, SC2 viewers dropped to WoL levels near the end of it's run.
Blizzard has to do something extremely drastic to get something going because at this rate they are already losing to DotA 2 in most every possible way. And of course don't even mention LoL because they won't get there. 1 Streamer from LoL beats out a tournament SC2 stream currently.
That's not how broadcasting works at all. Its not one game vs another and one will walk out at the end. This isn't highlander Esports. Dota 2 has less viewers for SC2 for any other event than TI3. Period. The NBA doesn't try to beat out the NFL. The NBA just runs the NBA.
On August 22 2013 09:10 jiberish wrote: All I can say is that so what if Koreans are going everywhere. I only want to watch the best games. I don't care what country the player is from. But if they want to support more local competition. Go back to the original format. With lots of different country leagues. Because that was kind of interesting for new player exposure. But just give more spots to Koreans in the global finals.
The problem with this is its now vs then. Sure watching the best games NOW is more fun but allowing koreans to go everywhere causes non koreans to leave the scene then suddenly we are left with no foreign players because we didn't foster then scene and viewership will drop. It's bad for everyone in the future.
Imagine basketball if NBA teams played in every highschool league, how long do you think that sport would be sustainable.
you have good mentioned that NBA and highschool league, so it should give more size and the prize pool for NBA. highschool league should eat less of money but ironically NBA and High School League are same size and the prize pool by current of WCS system.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Changing WCS this late won't get SC2's viewers back. The moment the hype for HotS went away, SC2 viewers dropped to WoL levels near the end of it's run.
Blizzard has to do something extremely drastic to get something going because at this rate they are already losing to DotA 2 in most every possible way. And of course don't even mention LoL because they won't get there. 1 Streamer from LoL beats out a tournament SC2 stream currently.
That's not how broadcasting works at all. Its not one game vs another and one will walk out at the end. This isn't highlander Esports. Dota 2 has less viewers for SC2 for any other event than TI3. Period. The NBA doesn't try to beat out the NFL. The NBA just runs the NBA.
You're only talking about Online Tournaments, something that happens regularly for DotA 2. You cannot expect everyone to catch that. If your saying LAN vs LAN then DotA 2 will be better. I'm not saying SC2 is dead.
However, you have to taken into consideration that almost everyone in the scene realized how bad of a shape SC2 is. DotA 2 will continue to keep growing, can you say the same with SC2 without the release of LotV?
Edit: And the fact that MLG dropped SC2 now is a sign isn't it? I do like watching SC2 when I have the time. I love SKT1 during the BW days, but I just do not see SC2 having any hope unless Blizzard changes their tactics. DotA 2 has been out officially for 1+ month plus give or take, with China and Korea in Closed/Open Beta for their servers. It's just going to get worse from here on end.
1-2 players didn't voice their concern for SC2 without a reason either.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Changing WCS this late won't get SC2's viewers back. The moment the hype for HotS went away, SC2 viewers dropped to WoL levels near the end of it's run.
Blizzard has to do something extremely drastic to get something going because at this rate they are already losing to DotA 2 in most every possible way. And of course don't even mention LoL because they won't get there. 1 Streamer from LoL beats out a tournament SC2 stream currently.
That's not how broadcasting works at all. Its not one game vs another and one will walk out at the end. This isn't highlander Esports. Dota 2 has less viewers for SC2 for any other event than TI3. Period. The NBA doesn't try to beat out the NFL. The NBA just runs the NBA.
The sports analogies don't work in this case due to the vastly different financial ecosystem in each case. People talk about cheering for all games to help esports and it'll benefit all games. That is just not true. Some games will benefit at the expense of other games. The NBA, NFL etc can survive on their own without competing with each other cause they're each still a billion dollar industry. They're not really competing with each other for sponsor money, etc.
Esports as a whole is still niche and there's a fraction of the money available for the entire industry compared to just the NBA. Games do compete with each other in terms of sponsor money, tournament money etc. MLG dropped halo and replaced it with sc2 basically because they have a budget they need to stick to and can't run infinite games. The sponsor pool isn't large enough yet where a sponsor can afford to sponsor a bunch of different games substantially. Different games do compete with each other because of the economic realities of the esports industry.
The whole esports $ pie is just so small that games with the smaller % of the pie will suffer. The NHL has a small % of the sports pie compared to the other major sports. However, that small % is still a substantial amount of money where they can still survive and do well. Until the day when the amount of money pumped in for even games with a small % of the esports pie is still a substantial amount of money will that sports analogy be valid. Right now they aren't even comparable and shouldn't be compared in the same way.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Changing WCS this late won't get SC2's viewers back. The moment the hype for HotS went away, SC2 viewers dropped to WoL levels near the end of it's run.
Blizzard has to do something extremely drastic to get something going because at this rate they are already losing to DotA 2 in most every possible way. And of course don't even mention LoL because they won't get there. 1 Streamer from LoL beats out a tournament SC2 stream currently.
That's not how broadcasting works at all. Its not one game vs another and one will walk out at the end. This isn't highlander Esports. Dota 2 has less viewers for SC2 for any other event than TI3. Period. The NBA doesn't try to beat out the NFL. The NBA just runs the NBA.
You're only talking about Online Tournaments, something that happens regularly for DotA 2. You cannot expect everyone to catch that. If your saying LAN vs LAN then DotA 2 will be better. I'm not saying SC2 is dead.
However, you have to taken into consideration that almost everyone in the scene realized how bad of a shape SC2 is. DotA 2 will continue to keep growing, can you say the same with SC2 without the release of LotV?
Edit: And the fact that MLG dropped SC2 now is a sign isn't it? I do like watching SC2 when I have the time. I love SKT1 during the BW days, but I just do not see SC2 having any hope unless Blizzard changes their tactics. DotA 2 has been out officially for 1+ month plus give or take, with China and Korea in Closed/Open Beta for their servers. It's just going to get worse from here on end.
1-2 players didn't voice their concern for SC2 without a reason either.
I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated, but I will do it again.
MLG did not drop SC2. Redbull is running an event that weekend and MLG does not want to split the viewers or players. They are willing and want to have SC2 at their events in the future. MLG has said this several times, even on this website. The only reason Dota 2 is growing is because Dota 2 had no where to go but up.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
I also think we should take a step back and look at how tremendously things have improved already from the start of the first disastrous WCS until now. Production quality in EU/NA is way way up, quality of games is rising across the board, and they really did put on a good show for all of the finals held so far.
However, I still have two major gripes at this point. One is the fact that Koreans are invading the AM region HARD. It makes it really frustrating to try to be a fan of any local talent. EU WCS is pretty much perfect imo, just enough Korean talent to keep things interesting and give that bit of "Korea vs The World" feeling people seem to enjoy, but plenty of foreign talent everyone can follow and cheer for. My second gripe, and probably the biggest, is that I still feel this sort of WCS system really muscles out the rest of the tournament scene. I can't imagine how hard it is to try to put a non WCS tournament together these days, and it's probably one of the reasons MLG has decided not to have SC2 at Columbus. Maybe things will keep settling into place and everyone will feel out the rhythm and we'll have great outside tournaments as well, but I'm not sure. This may be one of the things that everyone decides needs to change for 2014. I hope that's the case.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Changing WCS this late won't get SC2's viewers back. The moment the hype for HotS went away, SC2 viewers dropped to WoL levels near the end of it's run.
Blizzard has to do something extremely drastic to get something going because at this rate they are already losing to DotA 2 in most every possible way. And of course don't even mention LoL because they won't get there. 1 Streamer from LoL beats out a tournament SC2 stream currently.
That's not how broadcasting works at all. Its not one game vs another and one will walk out at the end. This isn't highlander Esports. Dota 2 has less viewers for SC2 for any other event than TI3. Period. The NBA doesn't try to beat out the NFL. The NBA just runs the NBA.
You're only talking about Online Tournaments, something that happens regularly for DotA 2. You cannot expect everyone to catch that. If your saying LAN vs LAN then DotA 2 will be better. I'm not saying SC2 is dead.
However, you have to taken into consideration that almost everyone in the scene realized how bad of a shape SC2 is. DotA 2 will continue to keep growing, can you say the same with SC2 without the release of LotV?
Edit: And the fact that MLG dropped SC2 now is a sign isn't it? I do like watching SC2 when I have the time. I love SKT1 during the BW days, but I just do not see SC2 having any hope unless Blizzard changes their tactics. DotA 2 has been out officially for 1+ month plus give or take, with China and Korea in Closed/Open Beta for their servers. It's just going to get worse from here on end.
1-2 players didn't voice their concern for SC2 without a reason either.
I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated, but I will do it again.
MLG did not drop SC2. Redbull is running an event that weekend and MLG does not want to split the viewers or players. They are willing and want to have SC2 at their events in the future. MLG has said this several times, even on this website. The only reason Dota 2 is growing is because Dota 2 had no where to go but up.
That might be true but can you expect MLG to pick up SC2 after this?
Doesn't Blizzard require organizers to pay them to run their games? Riot pays organizers to run their games, and Valve lets the organizers to decide for themselves, and allow the organizers to keep what they got.
Organizers like MLG needs to be gaining profit. I know I read some where that Sundanace said, regardless of how well MLG has done this year, they still aren't profiting as much because they have to pay Blizzard to run SC2. And without MLG, where will SC2 go in NA aside from the WCS that happens so often it's just boring to watch Koreans win it anyway? Redbull is NO MLG. SC2 losing MLG is huge because now if MLG continues to run DotA 2, MLG will help the NA scene a lot because it is something that's severely lacking in the NA DotA 2 scene.
There has been no indication that MLG will pick up SC2 again. It is early yes, but can you say with full confidence that MLG will pick up SC2 again, and pay Blizzard to run it?
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Changing WCS this late won't get SC2's viewers back. The moment the hype for HotS went away, SC2 viewers dropped to WoL levels near the end of it's run.
Blizzard has to do something extremely drastic to get something going because at this rate they are already losing to DotA 2 in most every possible way. And of course don't even mention LoL because they won't get there. 1 Streamer from LoL beats out a tournament SC2 stream currently.
That's not how broadcasting works at all. Its not one game vs another and one will walk out at the end. This isn't highlander Esports. Dota 2 has less viewers for SC2 for any other event than TI3. Period. The NBA doesn't try to beat out the NFL. The NBA just runs the NBA.
You're only talking about Online Tournaments, something that happens regularly for DotA 2. You cannot expect everyone to catch that. If your saying LAN vs LAN then DotA 2 will be better. I'm not saying SC2 is dead.
However, you have to taken into consideration that almost everyone in the scene realized how bad of a shape SC2 is. DotA 2 will continue to keep growing, can you say the same with SC2 without the release of LotV?
Edit: And the fact that MLG dropped SC2 now is a sign isn't it? I do like watching SC2 when I have the time. I love SKT1 during the BW days, but I just do not see SC2 having any hope unless Blizzard changes their tactics. DotA 2 has been out officially for 1+ month plus give or take, with China and Korea in Closed/Open Beta for their servers. It's just going to get worse from here on end.
1-2 players didn't voice their concern for SC2 without a reason either.
I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated, but I will do it again.
MLG did not drop SC2. Redbull is running an event that weekend and MLG does not want to split the viewers or players. They are willing and want to have SC2 at their events in the future. MLG has said this several times, even on this website. The only reason Dota 2 is growing is because Dota 2 had no where to go but up.
That might be true but can you expect MLG to pick up SC2 after this?
Doesn't Blizzard require organizers to pay them to run their games? Riot pays organizers to run their games, and Valve lets the organizers to decide for themselves, and allow the organizers to keep what they got.
Organizers like MLG needs to be gaining profit. I know I read some where that Sundanace said, regardless of how well MLG has done this year, they still aren't profiting as much because they have to pay Blizzard to run SC2. And without MLG, where will SC2 go in NA aside from the WCS that happens so often it's just boring to watch Koreans win it anyway? Redbull is NO MLG. SC2 losing MLG is huge because now if MLG continues to run DotA 2, MLG will help the NA scene a lot because it is something that's severely lacking in the NA DotA 2 scene.
There has been no indication that MLG will pick up SC2 again. It is early yes, but can you say with full confidence that MLG will pick up SC2 again, and pay Blizzard to run it?
Blizzard does not charge. MLG is profitable, Sundance said on state of the game when he was last on. You are kinda bad at fact checking. Adam at MLG has said they want to cover SC2. He has said it to me directly. Your sepulation is incorrect. You are creating drama where there is none.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Changing WCS this late won't get SC2's viewers back. The moment the hype for HotS went away, SC2 viewers dropped to WoL levels near the end of it's run.
Blizzard has to do something extremely drastic to get something going because at this rate they are already losing to DotA 2 in most every possible way. And of course don't even mention LoL because they won't get there. 1 Streamer from LoL beats out a tournament SC2 stream currently.
That's not how broadcasting works at all. Its not one game vs another and one will walk out at the end. This isn't highlander Esports. Dota 2 has less viewers for SC2 for any other event than TI3. Period. The NBA doesn't try to beat out the NFL. The NBA just runs the NBA.
You're only talking about Online Tournaments, something that happens regularly for DotA 2. You cannot expect everyone to catch that. If your saying LAN vs LAN then DotA 2 will be better. I'm not saying SC2 is dead.
However, you have to taken into consideration that almost everyone in the scene realized how bad of a shape SC2 is. DotA 2 will continue to keep growing, can you say the same with SC2 without the release of LotV?
Edit: And the fact that MLG dropped SC2 now is a sign isn't it? I do like watching SC2 when I have the time. I love SKT1 during the BW days, but I just do not see SC2 having any hope unless Blizzard changes their tactics. DotA 2 has been out officially for 1+ month plus give or take, with China and Korea in Closed/Open Beta for their servers. It's just going to get worse from here on end.
1-2 players didn't voice their concern for SC2 without a reason either.
I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated, but I will do it again.
MLG did not drop SC2. Redbull is running an event that weekend and MLG does not want to split the viewers or players. They are willing and want to have SC2 at their events in the future. MLG has said this several times, even on this website. The only reason Dota 2 is growing is because Dota 2 had no where to go but up.
That might be true but can you expect MLG to pick up SC2 after this?
Doesn't Blizzard require organizers to pay them to run their games? Riot pays organizers to run their games, and Valve lets the organizers to decide for themselves, and allow the organizers to keep what they got.
Organizers like MLG needs to be gaining profit. I know I read some where that Sundanace said, regardless of how well MLG has done this year, they still aren't profiting as much because they have to pay Blizzard to run SC2. And without MLG, where will SC2 go in NA aside from the WCS that happens so often it's just boring to watch Koreans win it anyway? Redbull is NO MLG. SC2 losing MLG is huge because now if MLG continues to run DotA 2, MLG will help the NA scene a lot because it is something that's severely lacking in the NA DotA 2 scene.
There has been no indication that MLG will pick up SC2 again. It is early yes, but can you say with full confidence that MLG will pick up SC2 again, and pay Blizzard to run it?
Blizzard does not charge. MLG is profitable, Sundance said on state of the game when he was last on. You are kinda bad at fact checking. Adam at MLG has said they want to cover SC2. He has said it to me directly. Your sepulation is incorrect. You are creating drama where there is none.
I stand corrected then. I don't like seeing SC2 in such a bad state when several people have been worried about the games state.
At the end of the day, numbers matter. And LoL and DotA 2 has more of it.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Changing WCS this late won't get SC2's viewers back. The moment the hype for HotS went away, SC2 viewers dropped to WoL levels near the end of it's run.
Blizzard has to do something extremely drastic to get something going because at this rate they are already losing to DotA 2 in most every possible way. And of course don't even mention LoL because they won't get there. 1 Streamer from LoL beats out a tournament SC2 stream currently.
That's not how broadcasting works at all. Its not one game vs another and one will walk out at the end. This isn't highlander Esports. Dota 2 has less viewers for SC2 for any other event than TI3. Period. The NBA doesn't try to beat out the NFL. The NBA just runs the NBA.
You're only talking about Online Tournaments, something that happens regularly for DotA 2. You cannot expect everyone to catch that. If your saying LAN vs LAN then DotA 2 will be better. I'm not saying SC2 is dead.
However, you have to taken into consideration that almost everyone in the scene realized how bad of a shape SC2 is. DotA 2 will continue to keep growing, can you say the same with SC2 without the release of LotV?
Edit: And the fact that MLG dropped SC2 now is a sign isn't it? I do like watching SC2 when I have the time. I love SKT1 during the BW days, but I just do not see SC2 having any hope unless Blizzard changes their tactics. DotA 2 has been out officially for 1+ month plus give or take, with China and Korea in Closed/Open Beta for their servers. It's just going to get worse from here on end.
1-2 players didn't voice their concern for SC2 without a reason either.
I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated, but I will do it again.
MLG did not drop SC2. Redbull is running an event that weekend and MLG does not want to split the viewers or players. They are willing and want to have SC2 at their events in the future. MLG has said this several times, even on this website. The only reason Dota 2 is growing is because Dota 2 had no where to go but up.
That might be true but can you expect MLG to pick up SC2 after this?
Doesn't Blizzard require organizers to pay them to run their games? Riot pays organizers to run their games, and Valve lets the organizers to decide for themselves, and allow the organizers to keep what they got.
Organizers like MLG needs to be gaining profit. I know I read some where that Sundanace said, regardless of how well MLG has done this year, they still aren't profiting as much because they have to pay Blizzard to run SC2. And without MLG, where will SC2 go in NA aside from the WCS that happens so often it's just boring to watch Koreans win it anyway? Redbull is NO MLG. SC2 losing MLG is huge because now if MLG continues to run DotA 2, MLG will help the NA scene a lot because it is something that's severely lacking in the NA DotA 2 scene.
There has been no indication that MLG will pick up SC2 again. It is early yes, but can you say with full confidence that MLG will pick up SC2 again, and pay Blizzard to run it?
Blizzard does not charge. MLG is profitable, Sundance said on state of the game when he was last on. You are kinda bad at fact checking. Adam at MLG has said they want to cover SC2. He has said it to me directly. Your sepulation is incorrect. You are creating drama where there is none.
I stand corrected then. I don't like seeing SC2 in such a bad state when several people have been worried about the games state.
At the end of the day, numbers matter. And LoL and DotA 2 has more of it.
Of course they have more, free to play + pimping heroes + betting is hard to beat. It's not something blizzard can compete with on their current business model, I think it was Khaldor who made a video on why broodwar was popular in Korea (because it was f2p).
I don't think that koreans owning WCS NA/EU has much to do with viewer numbers, sure it's great to see Grubby or Stephano in top 5, but it's also the fact that SC is getting less and less appealing and mobas are on the rise.
Interesting to see that when another league is becoming very successful they don't like it. I guess we all forgot already that GOMTV went from a monthly tournament winner to an every 2-3 month winner. Make the pro gamers play more and they reward them less. Smart on GOMTV's part. Keeps more money in their pockets.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Community will always have problems with whatever thing Blizzard will do with SC2 and/or e-sports. That is the definition of community after all.
Well they do some seriously stupid things and have done right from the start of SC2. Remember the oh so important Facebook integration? That was more important to develop than working chat channels, right? Remember the fight they had with KeSPA at the beginning over control of SC2? If they were really altruistic and wanted to help the community evolve they would have been happy about everyone who wanted to join the scene, but noooo ... they "must be" in control of it all and that says everything.
In addition their game designers are behaving like arrogant idiots who think that their own preferences work for everyone and if they think mech is boring then everyone else thinks the same. The whole company stinks of a disconnect between them and their fans and only because of the work of some awesome game developers 15 years ago did they get such a huge and loyal fanbase that accepts every kind of abuse they are dealt.
Remember "Error 37" and always on for Diablo? And the stupid real money auction house? Blizzard is all about two things nowadays ... CONTROL and MAKING AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN without regard for the consequences. Making games is just a means to an end to them and not something they have a passion for.
On August 22 2013 11:12 Seraphic wrote: No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.
I like to think that Blizzard is waiting for WCS 2014 to make major changes to the format/rules. I refuse to believe they are that oblivious.
They have to wait for the season to finish and for the grand finals at Blizzcon before they can make big changes. If they changed the rules now and pulled the rug out from under the players, they would be in a ton of trouble both legally and with the community.
Community will always have problems with whatever thing Blizzard will do with SC2 and/or e-sports. That is the definition of community after all.
Well they do some seriously stupid things and have done right from the start of SC2. Remember the oh so important Facebook integration? That was more important to develop than working chat channels, right? Remember the fight they had with KeSPA at the beginning over control of SC2? If they were really altruistic and wanted to help the community evolve they would have been happy about everyone who wanted to join the scene, but noooo ... they "must be" in control of it all and that says everything.
In addition their game designers are behaving like arrogant idiots who think that their own preferences work for everyone and if they think mech is boring then everyone else thinks the same. The whole company stinks of a disconnect between them and their fans and only because of the work of some awesome game developers 15 years ago did they get such a huge and loyal fanbase that accepts every kind of abuse they are dealt.
Remember "Error 37" and always on for Diablo? And the stupid real money auction house? Blizzard is all about two things nowadays ... CONTROL and MAKING AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN without regard for the consequences. Making games is just a means to an end to them and not something they have a passion for.
I didn't say Blizzard did not do stupid things, even though i did not catch most of things you mentioned. My point is that due to all these things there will always be part of community that shall blame Blizzard for whatever they will do. Also, having passion for relatively hard work is a really too much of good to have.
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