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azngamer828
Profile Joined July 2008
United States137 Posts
August 21 2013 23:08 GMT
#61
i want NAZGUL's white hoodie!
they should make those
Pew Pew
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 21 2013 23:27 GMT
#62
Translation: Give us money.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
FuFighter
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany60 Posts
August 21 2013 23:43 GMT
#63
On August 22 2013 06:16 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 06:14 Bongy wrote:
Totally agree with WCS taking prestige/fun away from the GSL/OSL, I personally don't follow WCS Korea as avidly as I did when all the best participated in it.

Not only in KR, they made all tournament (DH,MLG,...) worse.


I completely agree with this statement. Unfortunately I don't watch SC2 at all anymore which is really sad because I used to watch everything I could and I loved it. Obviously a game will lose popularity when it gets older and new games come around, it was the same with me and SC2 but before WCS I was always excited about GSL and watched as many games as possible. Now I don't really care about WCS Korea because it's just not the same. WCS was supposed to crown the best player in the world but like Nazgul said, I think we already had that and now Blizzard took that away from us, leaving us with a (in my opinion) pretty boring WCS that lessend the entertainemnt value of once great tournaments.

I know it's just my personal taste but I really can't stand neither the ESL casters nor the NASL casters. At least with the old tournament system the casters would switch from event to event and you would always have Tastosis on GomTV for the highest calibre of play and casting. No I'd rather watch streams of players I like or Meta than any WCS. Really sad imo.

"Scissors are fine, Paper is IMBA." - Rock
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
August 21 2013 23:47 GMT
#64
I'd say Blizzard has a good 4 maybe 6 months to bring something huge out, be it LotV preview of improved systems, improved WCS that doesn't negatively affect EVERY tournament or anything that can renew interest in the game or they will just fall by the way side and Sc2 will be a 2nd tier e sport because right now it is hemorrhaging viewers and players.
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
August 21 2013 23:51 GMT
#65
On August 22 2013 08:27 Jerubaal wrote:
Translation: Give us money.

And power
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 00:09:04
August 21 2013 23:54 GMT
#66
I likw that they criticize the system openly so Blizzard will improve it in the future. I don't really agree though that WCS is not positive to the scene. I think it's great and only need improvement. I don't like TI's kind of tournament at all. It's 1 tournament with huge ass prize pull but I want a long league with more spreaded out prize pool like WCS. It rewards consistency. You guys don't realize that WCS helps progamer such as Welmu,Grubby and more who will never ever reach high place with the old system of SC2's tournaments. It gives them something to look forward to. If it's TI's system then no chance they will ever get pass shit tons of korean.

People are blowing things out of porportion as well. I have seen SC2 beat Dota2 in viewership most of the time if it's non TI. SC2 will never have playerbase and viewership as big as LoL because Dota-like game is far more accessible and f2p.
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
August 21 2013 23:58 GMT
#67
On August 22 2013 04:03 Lunareste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 02:27 xsnac wrote:
i agree with nazgul
blizzard : robots that act only by the rules
valve : humans

i wonder if blizzard will ever see those interviews



Know why Valve doesn't release HL3? Because the moment they do, people are going to shit all over them for the smallest, insignificant things. That's exactly what's happened to Blizz.


My god... that makes too much sense.
jiberish
Profile Joined April 2011
80 Posts
August 22 2013 00:10 GMT
#68
All I can say is that so what if Koreans are going everywhere. I only want to watch the best games. I don't care what country the player is from. But if they want to support more local competition. Go back to the original format. With lots of different country leagues. Because that was kind of interesting for new player exposure. But just give more spots to Koreans in the global finals.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
August 22 2013 00:25 GMT
#69
On August 22 2013 09:10 jiberish wrote:
All I can say is that so what if Koreans are going everywhere. I only want to watch the best games. I don't care what country the player is from. But if they want to support more local competition. Go back to the original format. With lots of different country leagues. Because that was kind of interesting for new player exposure. But just give more spots to Koreans in the global finals.


The problem with this is its now vs then. Sure watching the best games NOW is more fun but allowing koreans to go everywhere causes non koreans to leave the scene then suddenly we are left with no foreign players because we didn't foster then scene and viewership will drop. It's bad for everyone in the future.

Imagine basketball if NBA teams played in every highschool league, how long do you think that sport would be sustainable.
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
August 22 2013 00:41 GMT
#70
On August 22 2013 08:08 azngamer828 wrote:
i want NAZGUL's white hoodie!
they should make those


Wheres the hood?
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
August 22 2013 00:41 GMT
#71
On August 22 2013 09:25 Esoterikk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 09:10 jiberish wrote:
All I can say is that so what if Koreans are going everywhere. I only want to watch the best games. I don't care what country the player is from. But if they want to support more local competition. Go back to the original format. With lots of different country leagues. Because that was kind of interesting for new player exposure. But just give more spots to Koreans in the global finals.


The problem with this is its now vs then. Sure watching the best games NOW is more fun but allowing koreans to go everywhere causes non koreans to leave the scene then suddenly we are left with no foreign players because we didn't foster then scene and viewership will drop. It's bad for everyone in the future.

Imagine basketball if NBA teams played in every highschool league, how long do you think that sport would be sustainable.

But to complete your point.
Will people agree to earn as much money as highschool league compared to NBA?
Thats the question.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
August 22 2013 00:44 GMT
#72
On August 22 2013 09:41 Taipoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 09:25 Esoterikk wrote:
On August 22 2013 09:10 jiberish wrote:
All I can say is that so what if Koreans are going everywhere. I only want to watch the best games. I don't care what country the player is from. But if they want to support more local competition. Go back to the original format. With lots of different country leagues. Because that was kind of interesting for new player exposure. But just give more spots to Koreans in the global finals.


The problem with this is its now vs then. Sure watching the best games NOW is more fun but allowing koreans to go everywhere causes non koreans to leave the scene then suddenly we are left with no foreign players because we didn't foster then scene and viewership will drop. It's bad for everyone in the future.

Imagine basketball if NBA teams played in every highschool league, how long do you think that sport would be sustainable.

But to complete your point.
Will people agree to earn as much money as highschool league compared to NBA?
Thats the question.


I don't think NA or EU should get as much prize money as KR, KR should have far and away the most prize money. But I also don't agree that Blizzard feels it's acceptable to let WCS AM essentially be code A but in America instead.
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 00:51:48
August 22 2013 00:50 GMT
#73
On August 22 2013 09:44 Esoterikk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 09:41 Taipoka wrote:
On August 22 2013 09:25 Esoterikk wrote:
On August 22 2013 09:10 jiberish wrote:
All I can say is that so what if Koreans are going everywhere. I only want to watch the best games. I don't care what country the player is from. But if they want to support more local competition. Go back to the original format. With lots of different country leagues. Because that was kind of interesting for new player exposure. But just give more spots to Koreans in the global finals.


The problem with this is its now vs then. Sure watching the best games NOW is more fun but allowing koreans to go everywhere causes non koreans to leave the scene then suddenly we are left with no foreign players because we didn't foster then scene and viewership will drop. It's bad for everyone in the future.

Imagine basketball if NBA teams played in every highschool league, how long do you think that sport would be sustainable.

But to complete your point.
Will people agree to earn as much money as highschool league compared to NBA?
Thats the question.


I don't think NA or EU should get as much prize money as KR, KR should have far and away the most prize money. But I also don't agree that Blizzard feels it's acceptable to let WCS AM essentially be code A but in America instead.

I don´t disagree with your point.
Just that i think the difference in prize (If at the same size of the difference in skill) may be bad for the AM scene as well.
I think Blizzard have a very difficult scenario on his hands.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 22 2013 01:02 GMT
#74
That liquid coat is sick.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 22 2013 01:07 GMT
#75
On August 22 2013 08:58 havok55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 04:03 Lunareste wrote:
On August 22 2013 02:27 xsnac wrote:
i agree with nazgul
blizzard : robots that act only by the rules
valve : humans

i wonder if blizzard will ever see those interviews



Know why Valve doesn't release HL3? Because the moment they do, people are going to shit all over them for the smallest, insignificant things. That's exactly what's happened to Blizz.


My god... that makes too much sense.


I actually think they are still trying to find a way to make people pay 600 dollars for HL3 without anyone noticing. Would be more fitting for Valve, rather then being afraid to not fulfill peoples expectations.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
August 22 2013 01:18 GMT
#76
On August 22 2013 10:07 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 08:58 havok55 wrote:
On August 22 2013 04:03 Lunareste wrote:
On August 22 2013 02:27 xsnac wrote:
i agree with nazgul
blizzard : robots that act only by the rules
valve : humans

i wonder if blizzard will ever see those interviews



Know why Valve doesn't release HL3? Because the moment they do, people are going to shit all over them for the smallest, insignificant things. That's exactly what's happened to Blizz.


My god... that makes too much sense.


I actually think they are still trying to find a way to make people pay 600 dollars for HL3 without anyone noticing. Would be more fitting for Valve, rather then being afraid to not fulfill peoples expectations.


crowbar skins are the future
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
August 22 2013 01:24 GMT
#77
On August 22 2013 09:50 Taipoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2013 09:44 Esoterikk wrote:
On August 22 2013 09:41 Taipoka wrote:
On August 22 2013 09:25 Esoterikk wrote:
On August 22 2013 09:10 jiberish wrote:
All I can say is that so what if Koreans are going everywhere. I only want to watch the best games. I don't care what country the player is from. But if they want to support more local competition. Go back to the original format. With lots of different country leagues. Because that was kind of interesting for new player exposure. But just give more spots to Koreans in the global finals.


The problem with this is its now vs then. Sure watching the best games NOW is more fun but allowing koreans to go everywhere causes non koreans to leave the scene then suddenly we are left with no foreign players because we didn't foster then scene and viewership will drop. It's bad for everyone in the future.

Imagine basketball if NBA teams played in every highschool league, how long do you think that sport would be sustainable.

But to complete your point.
Will people agree to earn as much money as highschool league compared to NBA?
Thats the question.


I don't think NA or EU should get as much prize money as KR, KR should have far and away the most prize money. But I also don't agree that Blizzard feels it's acceptable to let WCS AM essentially be code A but in America instead.

I don´t disagree with your point.
Just that i think the difference in prize (If at the same size of the difference in skill) may be bad for the AM scene as well.
I think Blizzard have a very difficult scenario on his hands.


Starcraft in general has it hard. No game is dominated by one country to the degree of Korea dominating Starcraft.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
August 22 2013 01:30 GMT
#78
I want that Liquid jacket Naz is rocking.
esports
Kurbz
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia88 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 02:07:37
August 22 2013 02:02 GMT
#79
Honestly, the only way Blizzard will get LoL or DoTA2 viewer numbers (150k+) for sc2 is some major changes to appeal more to the casual gaming crowd. I love watching sc2 and am a huge fan but I simply don't play it anymore and the longer it's been since I've played it, the less i tune in.
Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 02:16:05
August 22 2013 02:12 GMT
#80
On August 22 2013 08:54 Wildmoon wrote:
I likw that they criticize the system openly so Blizzard will improve it in the future. I don't really agree though that WCS is not positive to the scene. I think it's great and only need improvement. I don't like TI's kind of tournament at all. It's 1 tournament with huge ass prize pull but I want a long league with more spreaded out prize pool like WCS. It rewards consistency. You guys don't realize that WCS helps progamer such as Welmu,Grubby and more who will never ever reach high place with the old system of SC2's tournaments. It gives them something to look forward to. If it's TI's system then no chance they will ever get pass shit tons of korean.

People are blowing things out of porportion as well. I have seen SC2 beat Dota2 in viewership most of the time if it's non TI. SC2 will never have playerbase and viewership as big as LoL because Dota-like game is far more accessible and f2p.


I think your underestimating DotA 2 viewership way too much. I'm almost on Twitch 24/7, phone or at home. And I have not seen SC2 beat out DotA 2 viewers on big numbers. Only when it's WCS, it barely matters. Mind you that's beating only 1-2 streamers on the DotA 2 side. Dendi hasn't returned to streaming yet, Bulldog has started to stream again after TI3 and he gets past 10k easily when he does. They're others.

Have you honestly seen any SC2 stream hit those numbers aside from tournaments? I haven't bothered to follow the SC2 scene for awhile because of how boring it has become. No matter how much the casters spin it, SC2 is slowly being strangled to death because "Regions" isn't Regions for WCS. A Korean winning EU or NA is just down right stupid and I have no idea why Blizzard still allows this to continue.

Edit: Look at the current viewership for an example. SC2 has MLG, Day9 and several other popular players and it's only 9k. Day9, someone who had easily 10k in the past with SC2 is only 3k barely now.

DotA 2, with 2 streamers are past 13k already with SingSing having 9k+. What do you think will happen when DotA 2 continues to grow in popularity like it has been? SC2 will NOT keep growing, it has been strangled to death by Blizzard's Business Model.
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