EPTWCS America Reflections - 5 Things We Learned - Page 4
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On August 14 2013 05:51 NightOfTheDead wrote: Second places are now a bad thing? Oo When you're the Dong they are. | ||
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TiberiusAk
United States122 Posts
On August 14 2013 04:40 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: You overrate me ;; Especially in tournaments I play worse due to big nerve issue, and don't have solid ZvP at all ~ I am taking a break for sure, whether I can't play in WCS season 3 depends on the dates for WCS, not whether I am taking time off (99% won't be playing in it as I will be gone all of september) Best of luck on your recovery during your break (and in the season 2 finals)! On August 14 2013 04:36 edgeOut wrote: And it won't dilute Korean scene. Right now, this format doesn't build foreign scene, but pull apart prestigious Korean scene. Dilute? The fact that there's enough Korean pros to become a majority in WCS AM and also have a few people in EU means that WCS is still too small for the amount of Korean talent. Why stifle potential esports growth? Maybe in 2014 we'll see 1) a WCS KR with more challenger slots, and 2) a 4th WCS region, probably for China+SEA. I'm probably dreaming here with the second one, as it would take lots of money/organization/broadcasting time, but... if half the WCS AM Koreans (and likely the Chinese and other SEA players) from this year chose the 4th region for 2014, we might end up with three regions with the Korean/foreigner ratio of WCS EU (which seems to have been well received by viewers). There'd be more room in AM for local NA players, and the Latin American talent Blizzard is cultivating with their Copa America. Also, if you were thinking of diluting in terms of skill rather than player pool, the actual WCS region you're competing in affects your skill less than the pool of players you practice against regularly. If the Koreans continue practicing and laddering against each other (which they still do now, thanks to the mostly-online nature of WCS AM and EU), the skill level of their scene isn't really "diluted" either. Let's hope for more growth everywhere! | ||
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DBS
515 Posts
On August 14 2013 03:35 opisska wrote: Talking about the BW history of Jeadong and Flash, over and over again, is getting old really quickly. People should just finally realize that these are two very different games and that their success in BW does not really mean much for SC2. The first couple of months, you could say that we have to wait for them to improve, but I think that viability of this excuse dies off very quickly. I am sorry to all JD fans, but he just didn't play very well. It is quite strange to watch him - he shows moments of briliance and then, seconds later, within the same game, he fucks up completely, without any obvious explanation. And when it comes to results, at the moment, he would be just an average faceless Korean - if he wasn't a BW star. The amount of hype made about him is probably good for WCS AM, but it is just floating in the air. Even I have to admit to ride the wave sometimes - for example, I watched the finals from VODs and as much as I was trying to avoid spoilers, I came around the information that therer were only 4 games, meaning it was 4:0. After watching the first game, I found it very difficult to believe, that it has to be 4:0 for Polt - the JD hype train gets credit for that, because when it comes to gameplay in the series, it didn't look surprising at all. I think that it isn't fair to say they have been unsuccessful in SC2. While they may not be the powerhouses they were in BW, they have both placed very highly at very competitive tournaments, and display a very high level of play. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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skyflyfish
Canada499 Posts
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On August 14 2013 04:40 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: You overrate me ;; Especially in tournaments I play worse due to big nerve issue, and don't have solid ZvP at all ~ I am taking a break for sure, whether I can't play in WCS season 3 depends on the dates for WCS, not whether I am taking time off (99% won't be playing in it as I will be gone all of september) We will miss you...and hopefully it does work out since s3 finals in canada | ||
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Sevre
Ireland619 Posts
On August 14 2013 05:20 E.L.V.I.S wrote: my bet is that grubby will be the first foreigner to win wcs eu Possibly! It's very difficult to predict these things. If I was going to pick a foreigner with a chance of winning the S2 Finals it would be Scarlett. | ||
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carlfish
Australia57 Posts
On August 14 2013 04:34 Swisslink wrote: Wouldn't be too hard to fix: - Give 8 spots to Koreans, 4 spots to European and 4 Spots to Chinese/American players - Increase the prize pool for WCS Korea (-> Better players = more money) We'd have an almost identical finals, but every region would have its own tournament. And the "World Finals" becomes a sped-up novelty replay of the GSL/OSL round of 8. I'm not sure that's what Blizzard wants out of their premier championship. The WCS Korea entrants may still be obvious favourites in all their matches in the coming finals, but at least the Europe and America entrants have demonstrated the potential to cause an upset just by getting this far, instead of the first round being dead air until they're knocked out. The best solution to the WCS issue is to reduce its frequency. Go from three leagues a year to two. That will provide enough leeway for the kind of local tournaments that will keep second-tier foreigners in the game, while keeping WCS as the bar of quality they need to aim for to compete internationally. | ||
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Kinon
Romania207 Posts
On August 14 2013 04:00 Caladan wrote: Article says what I've been saying for the last year and getting flamed and warned for here, at TL.net: Region locking is the only way to keep foreign scene alive, especially in NA! Glad this opinion is getting more mainstream now. Having the same WCS system but with regions locked would be extremely unfair. Koreans, who are more numerous, would have to face much much tougher opposition only to get rewarded the same as the foreigners. | ||
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AmuseD
Netherlands133 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
On August 14 2013 03:48 govie wrote: The ognis stated that it primiraly wasnt wcs format that made him quit, it was the lack of tournaments.. he wanted more tournaments and matches but there werent any.. its a bit of a tweak to what the article states, but an important one. What's implied, i think, in the article is that many if not most would cite WCS ITSELF as the reason there aren't more smaller tournaments... | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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carlfish
Australia57 Posts
On August 14 2013 07:44 AmuseD wrote: For the WCS system, Shouldn't it be a better thing to like do the same as WCS korea? Getting all the players in the local area. South Korea: 100,000 square kilometres Europe: 10,000,000 square kilometres North America: 25,000,000 square kilometres To put it in slightly better context, South Korea as a country is a quarter the area of California. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On August 14 2013 07:57 carlfish wrote: South Korea: 100,000 square kilometres Europe: 10,000,000 square kilometres North America: 25,000,000 square kilometres To put it in slightly better context, South Korea as a country is a quarter the area of California. It's also like 40 % of the whole population concentrated in the Seoul metropolitan area, so there's not a problem showing up for an offline event without excessive travel. EDIT: Wikipedia says it's 49 % of SK's population living in the Seoul metro area. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On August 14 2013 03:35 Shellshock1122 wrote: There are no online stages in WCS KR Not to mention that it is much more difficult. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Wouldn't they be better? Stork was the most famous BW Kong Liner ever with soooooooooo many Silvers. | ||
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
Also why does the WCS have to worry about ensuring only AM play in WCS AM? Shouldn't it just be about giving great games? Scarlett still made ro4, Demuslim and Minigun made ro16. I don't see why that is so bad. If we can get a tournament with high level players and a couple foreigners why is this a problem? Challenger league still gives up and coming players a chance to show themselves. | ||
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
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