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WCS America Reflections - 5 Things We Learned - Page 2

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edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 18:58:49
August 13 2013 18:55 GMT
#21
On August 14 2013 03:45 Mithriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 03:34 zev318 wrote:
so i gotta ask, why dont the chinese play in the korean WCS? its much closer and less lag during the online stages. is it just simply because its easier competition in AM?


One must think so, the chinese are insanely good, but they pick WCS AM for the same reason the koreans do, its easy!!! Or well thats what they thought, till it just became a second WCS Korea.....

Waiting for the moment more koreans will move to europe to be able to play without lag in WCS EU


Easy is not the only reason, Koreans and Chinese feel more close to US. Usually they know a lot about US due to English, movies and popular products, most of them have great interests to visit US. But for Europe, can't say the same.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
August 13 2013 18:59 GMT
#22
On August 14 2013 03:55 edgeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 03:45 Mithriel wrote:
On August 14 2013 03:34 zev318 wrote:
so i gotta ask, why dont the chinese play in the korean WCS? its much closer and less lag during the online stages. is it just simply because its easier competition in AM?


One must think so, the chinese are insanely good, but they pick WCS AM for the same reason the koreans do, its easy!!! Or well thats what they thought, till it just became a second WCS Korea.....

Waiting for the moment more koreans will move to europe to be able to play without lag in WCS EU


Easy is not the only reason, Koreans and Chinese feel more close to US. Usually they know a lot about US due to English, movies and popular products, most of them have great interests to visit US. But for Europe, can't say the same.


EU lag too big
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Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 19:00:37
August 13 2013 19:00 GMT
#23
Article says what I've been saying for the last year and getting flamed and warned for here, at TL.net: Region locking is the only way to keep foreign scene alive, especially in NA!
Glad this opinion is getting more mainstream now.

Also was VERY impressed by Scarlett's play in the finals. It will be exciting to see if she can repeat that play in the next tourneys.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 13 2013 19:00 GMT
#24
On August 14 2013 04:00 Caladan wrote:
Article says what I've been saying for the last year and getting flamed for. Region locking is the only way to keep foreign scene alive, especially in NA.
Glad this opinion is getting more mainstream now.

Also was VERY impressed by Scarlett's play in the finals. It will be exciting to see if she can repeat that play in the next tourneys.


but your opinion has always been mainstream!!!
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
August 13 2013 19:00 GMT
#25
On August 14 2013 03:59 painkilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 03:55 edgeOut wrote:
On August 14 2013 03:45 Mithriel wrote:
On August 14 2013 03:34 zev318 wrote:
so i gotta ask, why dont the chinese play in the korean WCS? its much closer and less lag during the online stages. is it just simply because its easier competition in AM?


One must think so, the chinese are insanely good, but they pick WCS AM for the same reason the koreans do, its easy!!! Or well thats what they thought, till it just became a second WCS Korea.....

Waiting for the moment more koreans will move to europe to be able to play without lag in WCS EU


Easy is not the only reason, Koreans and Chinese feel more close to US. Usually they know a lot about US due to English, movies and popular products, most of them have great interests to visit US. But for Europe, can't say the same.


EU lag too big


Another valid reason.
Wasn't excluding other reasons by that.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 13 2013 19:02 GMT
#26
Surprisingly lite on Polt praise for a Fionn article just after a win ^^
Good article. It's sad to say but now that WCS AM competition is fierce with almost only koreans, and with NASL production, I'm more willing to watch it.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
August 13 2013 19:05 GMT
#27
Scarlett is definitely probably one of the best foreigners.
maru lover forever
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
August 13 2013 19:10 GMT
#28
On August 14 2013 03:46 Draconicfire wrote:
Is there an official source for WCS S3 being held in Toronto? I think my brain would explode once I see it.


Holy sh*t me too. Where is this? AND WHERE DO I GET TICKETS??? Dream come true
SooYoung-Noona!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 13 2013 19:13 GMT
#29
On August 14 2013 04:10 ffadicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 03:46 Draconicfire wrote:
Is there an official source for WCS S3 being held in Toronto? I think my brain would explode once I see it.


Holy sh*t me too. Where is this? AND WHERE DO I GET TICKETS??? Dream come true

They announced it during the AM finals that season three finals would be in Canada.
Glorious SEA doto
Sevre
Profile Joined June 2013
Ireland619 Posts
August 13 2013 19:13 GMT
#30
Probably a bit eager to emphasise Jaedong's annihilation at the hands of Polt, 4-0 it may have been but it was fairly close all throughout. Still, that doesn't excuse his 3 silver medals, for now Jaedong is pretty much to Starcraft what Andy Murray was to tennis.
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
August 13 2013 19:21 GMT
#31
On August 14 2013 04:13 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:10 ffadicted wrote:
On August 14 2013 03:46 Draconicfire wrote:
Is there an official source for WCS S3 being held in Toronto? I think my brain would explode once I see it.


Holy sh*t me too. Where is this? AND WHERE DO I GET TICKETS??? Dream come true

They announced it during the AM finals that season three finals would be in Canada.


Do you know if there's a VOD? Like I believe it to be true, but I need to see it to fully accept it to be real >_>
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Corrish
Profile Joined July 2013
Ireland2 Posts
August 13 2013 19:26 GMT
#32
If I remember correctly Scarlett confirmed in an interview in WCS AM finals that she'll be taking a break after this season to get treatment for her wrist. Which is probably the smart thing to do, but still a shame, especially with the Season final held in her home country.
Everything in moderation - including moderation
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 19:27:49
August 13 2013 19:26 GMT
#33
On August 14 2013 04:05 Incognoto wrote:
Scarlett is definitely probably one of the best foreigners.


I would go further: Probably one of the top Zerg including the Koreans. Beside Soulkey I don't see a Zerg who I'd consider much stronger than Scarlett. There might be a few around her level, depending on the matchup, but in general I don't think so.

... unfortunately she won't participate next season :-/

On August 14 2013 04:26 Corrish wrote:
If I remember correctly Scarlett confirmed in an interview in WCS AM finals that she'll be taking a break after this season to get treatment for her wrist. Which is probably the smart thing to do, but still a shame, especially with the Season final held in her home country.


She didn't "confirm" it, she just said she might take a break. Not 100% sure yet, afaik.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 19:28:52
August 13 2013 19:28 GMT
#34
On August 14 2013 04:26 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:05 Incognoto wrote:
Scarlett is definitely probably one of the best foreigners.


I would go further: Probably one of the top Zerg including the Koreans. Beside Soulkey I don't see a Zerg who I'd consider much stronger than Scarlett. There might be a few around her level, depending on the matchup, but in general I don't think so.

... unfortunately she won't participate next season :-/

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:26 Corrish wrote:
If I remember correctly Scarlett confirmed in an interview in WCS AM finals that she'll be taking a break after this season to get treatment for her wrist. Which is probably the smart thing to do, but still a shame, especially with the Season final held in her home country.


She didn't "confirm" it, she just said she might take a break. Not 100% sure yet, afaik.

She posted this in her fan club
On August 12 2013 18:45 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 17:45 Gamegene wrote:
asked her about the suppy/scarlett fanfic. she only replied "no comment".

what a boss!?

GOGO WCS Season 3 CANADA!!!

:p I can't play season 3 most likely

so still not 100% but it seems like it's probably the result
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looken
Profile Joined September 2011
727 Posts
August 13 2013 19:29 GMT
#35
On August 14 2013 03:35 opisska wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Talking about the BW history of Jeadong and Flash, over and over again, is getting old really quickly. People should just finally realize that these are two very different games and that their success in BW does not really mean much for SC2.

The first couple of months, you could say that we have to wait for them to improve, but I think that viability of this excuse dies off very quickly. I am sorry to all JD fans, but he just didn't play very well. It is quite strange to watch him - he shows moments of briliance and then, seconds later, within the same game, he fucks up completely, without any obvious explanation. And when it comes to results, at the moment, he would be just an average faceless Korean - if he wasn't a BW star.

The amount of hype made about him is probably good for WCS AM, but it is just floating in the air. Even I have to admit to ride the wave sometimes - for example, I watched the finals from VODs and as much as I was trying to avoid spoilers, I came around the information that therer were only 4 games, meaning it was 4:0. After watching the first game, I found it very difficult to believe, that it has to be 4:0 for Polt - the JD hype train gets credit for that, because when it comes to gameplay in the series, it didn't look surprising at all.

making it to the finals in the last 3 tournaments you entered makes you a faceless korean? i mean i dont know, maybe the hype train already got me, but i disagree with your statement.
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
August 13 2013 19:32 GMT
#36
I don't see the point in region locking the WCS tournaments. It will just result in Europeans and Americans losing hard to Koreans in the main event. Having Koreans in the European and American brackets ensures that the foreigners have to prepare and work extra hard if they want to have a chance.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 13 2013 19:33 GMT
#37
Nice article thanks!
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 19:36:27
August 13 2013 19:34 GMT
#38
On August 14 2013 04:32 maartendq wrote:
I don't see the point in region locking the WCS tournaments. It will just result in Europeans and Americans losing hard to Koreans in the main event. Having Koreans in the European and American brackets ensures that the foreigners have to prepare and work extra hard if they want to have a chance.


Wouldn't be too hard to fix:
- Give 8 spots to Koreans, 4 spots to European and 4 Spots to Chinese/American players
- Increase the prize pool for WCS Korea (-> Better players = more money)
We'd have an almost identical finals, but every region would have its own tournament.

On August 14 2013 04:28 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:26 Swisslink wrote:
On August 14 2013 04:05 Incognoto wrote:
Scarlett is definitely probably one of the best foreigners.


I would go further: Probably one of the top Zerg including the Koreans. Beside Soulkey I don't see a Zerg who I'd consider much stronger than Scarlett. There might be a few around her level, depending on the matchup, but in general I don't think so.

... unfortunately she won't participate next season :-/

On August 14 2013 04:26 Corrish wrote:
If I remember correctly Scarlett confirmed in an interview in WCS AM finals that she'll be taking a break after this season to get treatment for her wrist. Which is probably the smart thing to do, but still a shame, especially with the Season final held in her home country.


She didn't "confirm" it, she just said she might take a break. Not 100% sure yet, afaik.

She posted this in her fan club
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 18:45 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On August 12 2013 17:45 Gamegene wrote:
asked her about the suppy/scarlett fanfic. she only replied "no comment".

what a boss!?

GOGO WCS Season 3 CANADA!!!

:p I can't play season 3 most likely

so still not 100% but it seems like it's probably the result



Yeah, unfortunately it's probably the result. But there's still hope :-P
On the other side, it might be better she takes a break instead of ruining her wrist completely.
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 19:36:51
August 13 2013 19:36 GMT
#39
On August 14 2013 04:34 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:32 maartendq wrote:
I don't see the point in region locking the WCS tournaments. It will just result in Europeans and Americans losing hard to Koreans in the main event. Having Koreans in the European and American brackets ensures that the foreigners have to prepare and work extra hard if they want to have a chance.


Wouldn't be too hard to fix:
- Give 8 spots to Koreans, 4 spots to European and 4 Spots to Chinese/American players
- Increase the prize pool for WCS Korea (-> Better players = more money)
We'd have an almost identical finals, but every region would have its own tournament.


And it won't dilute Korean scene. Right now, this format doesn't build foreign scene, but pull apart prestigious Korean scene.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2392 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 19:40:51
August 13 2013 19:40 GMT
#40
On August 14 2013 04:26 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:05 Incognoto wrote:
Scarlett is definitely probably one of the best foreigners.


I would go further: Probably one of the top Zerg including the Koreans. Beside Soulkey I don't see a Zerg who I'd consider much stronger than Scarlett. There might be a few around her level, depending on the matchup, but in general I don't think so.

... unfortunately she won't participate next season :-/

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 04:26 Corrish wrote:
If I remember correctly Scarlett confirmed in an interview in WCS AM finals that she'll be taking a break after this season to get treatment for her wrist. Which is probably the smart thing to do, but still a shame, especially with the Season final held in her home country.


She didn't "confirm" it, she just said she might take a break. Not 100% sure yet, afaik.

You overrate me ;; Especially in tournaments I play worse due to big nerve issue, and don't have solid ZvP at all ~

I am taking a break for sure, whether I can't play in WCS season 3 depends on the dates for WCS, not whether I am taking time off (99% won't be playing in it as I will be gone all of september)
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