EPTOn August 15 2013 22:05 Penev wrote:
The ocean is why. The cables are lying on the ocean floor.
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The ocean is why. The cables are lying on the ocean floor.
That's a very interesting map, thanks for posting it.
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
That's a very interesting map, thanks for posting it. | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On August 15 2013 21:04 Naturedota wrote: It makes absolutely no sense to allow koreans, or anyone who is no living in the region, to take part in the competition in american region. Same applies to all regions, so koreans should be allowed to compete only in korea, and europeas only in europe etc. This way, whole region thing actually makes sense and promotes local scene. I agree with you. But if WCS was to follow your logic, they should balance the spots at the season finals by the skill level of players. WCS NA should get 2 spots (being generous) and WCS EU should get 2 spots, while Korea gets 12 spots. We want the best players at the Season Finals and we want the world's best players to be rewarded, therefore, WCS KR should be given the most spots. At any given moment, only two players from NA and EU can have a chance at beating a top 16 player in Korea. So yeah, if the Season Finals spots were allocated by skill then I'd be happy to oblige your complaints about regional exclusivity. | ||
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Naturedota
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On August 15 2013 23:15 Naturedota wrote: I dont understand your post, please explain better. If you want to lock everyone in their own region of residence, then you should realize that giving NA 6 spots would be stupid because the overall skill level in NA is much much lower than KR and we want only the best players in the world at the season finals. If you wanted Koreans and Chinese to only stay in the Asian region, then you should expect that most of the spots for the season finals should go to the Korean region. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On August 15 2013 22:57 e4e5nf3 wrote: I'm sorry but those are hardly big draws (at least for me). Talented, maybe, but they won't draw viewers. Or were you being sarcastic? Goswser - I guess RO4 at Dreamhack (almost beating HyuN), as well as wins against Stephano, Vortix, LucifroN and YugiOh aren't that impressive. Scarlett - Probably the best foreigner in the world. These aren't big draws? | ||
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Penev
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On August 15 2013 23:15 Naturedota wrote: I dont understand your post, please explain better. Naturedota, if you respond to someone, you should use the "quote" button; That way you can create a thread about the conversation. | ||
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Naturedota
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Naturedota
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On August 15 2013 23:24 Penev wrote: Naturedota, if you respond to someone, you should use the "quote" button; That way you can create a thread about the conversation. But he was right at the top of my post. | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On August 15 2013 23:25 Naturedota wrote: I dont understand why should koreans have anymore spots in tournament. Everyone should be on equal footing. Then you're not going to have a top caliber tournament. I don't think you understand. Are you lost? We can watch WCS NA and see the best NA people at each other but if it's a global finals then I want to see the top global players. | ||
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evaniss
53 Posts
On August 15 2013 23:25 Naturedota wrote: I dont understand why should koreans have anymore spots in tournament. Everyone should be on equal footing. Since Blizzard they made KR (traditionally GSL) prize money to reduced by halff ?? and if region locked and if it will divided prize money or points to be on equal regardless of skills level, then peoples should be thinking that American players are most advantageous players to make an Easy money and to get spots and chances to get crown since they have same mount of prize money and same spots but they are shitty. and peoples should say that Koreans and outside of EU, AM players are they have the most adverse conditions to make money and chances since KR is most hardest regions and it's limited to get spots. this is one of dilemma at the current situations. So, i have an idea to suggest something, make to all regions locking according to Citizenship. should be on equal footing in the first season of year, but prize money must be modified to next sesson according to the result of season final. if then basicly every players from own regions they have Equal opportunities to get a crown for every of the season finals so you can happy with you've get representatives of your contry or region as equal as other regions. BUT each regions should have take the prize money as long as their performance and skills level. if WCS take this way?? This will increase competition and motivation a bunch more for all players from each regions since they need to make achievements and record for their scale of prize pool. i would say that is Equitable society. all regions have The Equal opportunities and The distribution according to accomplishment. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On August 16 2013 00:12 evaniss wrote: Since Blizzard they made KR (traditionally GSL) prize money to reduced by halff ?? That is incorrect. If you assume Koreans are better (which they are), then they will take a huge chunk of the season finals prizepool as well. That is basically 150k more for the taking, which makes the prizepool bigger than GSL. Oh and except for 1st and 2nd place, the prizepool is basically the same as it were before. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 16 2013 01:15 Ballack wrote: Giving NA and EU 2 spots each is ludicrous. I'd be down with a NA-4, EU-4 and Korea-8 though. We've already established that Blizzard wants a tournament a la Masters' Cup where the best come out on top and play in the Season Finals, not a regional tournament to promote local growth. The top 16 players in the world are all most likely Korean, and so giving Korea only 8 spots seems ludicrous. If WCS's purpose was to create free money for foreign players then yes, giving NA and EU 4 each would seem like a good deal. It's not, however, so cutting the best players' potential spots in half seems more ludicrous than anything. On August 16 2013 01:18 Ballack wrote: That is incorrect. If you assume Koreans are better (which they are), then they will take a huge chunk of the season finals prizepool as well. That is basically 150k more for the taking, which makes the prizepool bigger than GSL. Oh and except for 1st and 2nd place, the prizepool is basically the same as it were before. SK won "GSL" and 20k in prize money. He then dropped out in the Ro4 at the Season Finals, bringing his total to $30.000, ~$20.000 less than he would have gotten had he won the GSL before that. It's a fact of life that progamers' typically do not win two premier Korean (we'll call the Season Finals Korean for the sake of the argument) tournaments in a row. Talking about total prize pool the average earned by a top-performing Korean (Innovation) will be higher, but for someone with a high peak but slightly lower average, they might (will probably) end up with less money in the pocket if they don't reach the Global Finals, a big if considering the competition across regions. | ||
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evaniss
53 Posts
On August 16 2013 01:18 Ballack wrote: That is incorrect. If you assume Koreans are better (which they are), then they will take a huge chunk of the season finals prizepool as well. That is basically 150k more for the taking, which makes the prizepool bigger than GSL. Oh and except for 1st and 2nd place, the prizepool is basically the same as it were before. Well, I am talking to the local competition, season final is not only korea local competition, season final is the tournament for all regions Globally every players have chances to get good prize even if they have low skill level. so i suggested my idea that give equal spots by region locking and Changing the PrizePool of each regions according to accomplishment of the season final. as you know most peoples point out about local competition. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 15 2013 23:25 Naturedota wrote: I dont understand why should koreans have anymore spots in tournament. Everyone should be on equal footing. Not worth answering (since i won't get answer back), but for the sake of discussion: Because as of a fact: most of koreans are better than top foreigners. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On August 16 2013 01:24 Zealously wrote: We've already established that Blizzard wants a tournament a la Masters' Cup where the best come out on top and play in the Season Finals, not a regional tournament to promote local growth. The top 16 players in the world are all most likely Korean, and so giving Korea only 8 spots seems ludicrous. If WCS's purpose was to create free money for foreign players then yes, giving NA and EU 4 each would seem like a good deal. It's not, however, so cutting the best players' potential spots in half seems more ludicrous than anything. I think you very wrongly assume Blizzard only wants to bring the 16 very best players in the world to Blizzcon, and they would be stupid to think in that matter. They should want the best of the foreigners attending Blizzcon for the better storyline, with stories of underdogs and crowd-favorites. Also, players like Polt who are living in USA would still be eligible to play in NA, and few would say he's not top 16 in the world with this weekends' performance, and people like MVP might very well have moved to Europe, making it not being cut in half. If you think Blizzard wants 16 Koreans at Blizzcon, you are out of your mind, as it would hurt viewership considerably. On August 16 2013 01:24 Zealously wrote: SK won "GSL" and 20k in prize money. He then dropped out in the Ro4 at the Season Finals, bringing his total to $30.000, ~$20.000 less than he would have gotten had he won the GSL before that. It's a fact of life that progamers' typically do not win two premier Korean (we'll call the Season Finals Korean for the sake of the argument) tournaments in a row. Talking about total prize pool the average earned by a top-performing Korean (Innovation) will be higher, but for someone with a high peak but slightly lower average, they might (will probably) end up with less money in the pocket if they don't reach the Global Finals, a big if considering the competition across regions. Ok so it didn't quite work out for one player, that doesn't automatically make you right, far from it actually. Having more games for more prizepool, deciding the best player should be something you support regarding your opinion on Blizzcon etc. So I don't really see how you can make a tougher competition but with TWICE the prizepool (125k for GSL season 1 2013 to 250k with WCS Korea and season 1 finals) into a bad thing. There is MORE money being distributed. You are making an absurd argument just because one single player ended up with a worse result. Everyone else gained from it, and most of them gained considerable sums: Innovation 52k instead of 17k, Symbol 12k instead of 4.6k, sOs 27k instead of 4.6k, Roro 11k instead of 2.8k. And this is not even counting if these players get to Blizzcon, and in any system suggested here, at the very least half of the players will be the best Koreans from WCS Korea. Korea has and would still gain IMMENSELY from the WCS system in any way you look at it, so god forbid we give some carrots to EU and NA so those regions still have a prominent scene. You people don't have a clue do you? ... | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On August 16 2013 01:39 evaniss wrote: Well, I am talking to the local competition, season final is not only korea local competition, season final is the tournament for all regions Globally every players have chances to get good prize even if they have low skill level. so i suggested my idea that give equal spots by regions locked and Changing the PrizePool of each regions according to accomplishment of the season final. as you know most peoples point out local competition. Koreans still get's a bigger slice of the cake as they are better than EU and NA, by doing better in the season finals and getting more spots to go to Blizzcon. Take a look at the standings, currently, 14 of the 16 spots to Blizzcon is held by Koreans. The local scene in Korea is gaining from WCS regionals ALONE because the prize-pool is not as top-heavy as GSL code S was before. So Koreans naturally get's more money, which is deserved, but since that is a fact you don't need to lower the EU/NA prize-pool. | ||
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evaniss
53 Posts
On August 16 2013 02:03 Ballack wrote: Koreans still get's a bigger slice of the cake as they are better than EU and NA, by doing better in the season finals and getting more spots to go to Blizzcon. Take a look at the standings, currently, 14 of the 16 spots to Blizzcon is held by Koreans. The local scene in Korea is gaining from WCS regionals ALONE because the prize-pool is not as top-heavy as GSL code S was before. So Koreans naturally get's more money, which is deserved, but since that is a fact you don't need to lower the EU/NA prize-pool. Well i didn't say about spots and i mentioned region locking to get equal spots, don't forget i just suggested prize money so every players from all regions have equal chances to get good spot and good money, i'd say better player deserves to get more money. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
On August 16 2013 02:14 evaniss wrote: Well i didn't say about spots, don't forget i just suggested suggested prize money so every players from all regions have equal chances to get good spot and good money, as i'd say better player deserves to get more money. You can probably defend that position and I don't fully disagree with that line of thinking. But I do think it is more important to revitalize the NA scene, and to do that you have to make WCS a proper carrot for players to commit fully to SC2. If the NA scene dies, viewership and I fear the game will crumble. Korea will have a prosperous scene for many years to come regardless. You can as Blizzard imo focus a bit more of their efforts to NA and EU players since Korea is totally dominating with the current system. | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2393 Posts
On August 15 2013 23:24 Crownlol wrote: Goswser - I guess RO4 at Dreamhack (almost beating HyuN), as well as wins against Stephano, Vortix, LucifroN and YugiOh aren't that impressive. Scarlett - Probably the best foreigner in the world. These aren't big draws? Nobody watched last year :/ And it was like whack-a-mole anyways; not a real competition | ||
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