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Serpico
4285 Posts
On August 13 2013 09:12 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: yeah swarm hosts are really broken(imo). I wonder what the fuck was wrong with lurkers. They were invented by Browder's predecessors was the problem. | ||
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
On August 13 2013 08:52 Green_25 wrote: Don't nerf their damage, that would kinda defeat the concept of a 'mine' unit. Just make them more gas intensive. The problem with widow mines is that they are too cheap/easy to reproduce. Thats basically it. If you make them more gas intensive, you make mech even worse. 100/25 maybe. | ||
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Lumi
United States1616 Posts
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gosublade
632 Posts
On August 13 2013 04:35 Aquila- wrote: Viper with full energy is ridiculous, they want to make mech better but 3 vipers can already shut down 20 spread out tanks... to counter this, medivac's ability to pick up grounded tanks would be sick :D:D | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1600 Posts
Next op please reference Lion King. Thanks. | ||
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
On August 13 2013 09:38 StreetWise wrote: Maybe its because I am so old, but I actually wish they would slow the game down a little. Everything is already so fast as it is... While making a unit faster is a buff, it seems they tend to use this buff too much. The oracle sucks, speed buff. The warp prism sucks, speed buff. Overseer sucks speed buff! well, I agree that sc2 is a fast-phased game (which makes many frustrated that losing one major battle=lose) but overseer buff is necessary to take out %#@! WM field. (I can't help my self raging at that stupid unit  )Otherwise, there is really no solution to mass mine +MMM | ||
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
On August 13 2013 09:12 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: yeah swarm hosts are really broken(imo). I wonder what the fuck was wrong with lurkers. Yeah! how about impaler with some splash? a Zerg burrowed tank! (seriously, I think we need this kind of 'positional' units in zerg. it will have a lot lower range than seize thank. like 6 but upgraded to 9~10) | ||
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11B
United States188 Posts
In regards to WM, I'm a big fan of bringing the range down to 4 and make it cost $$/gas to get a range of 5. 2nd, in regards to WMs, make the damage they deal Race Specific. Vs Zerg, something like 80 damage vs armored units and 40 damage vs biological units (50% damage vs small units). That way a single WM hit would more or less bring every Zerg unit hit to around 50% Health - which IMO is still pretty damn good from a single mine. As far as Vipers go, make it like Infestors but maybe with a slightly shorter upgrade time. I like the idea of a 60 seconds upgrade that adds 25 Energy new Vipers. Abduct from the go and a little micro and consume needed for BCloud. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On August 13 2013 09:38 Serpico wrote: They were invented by Browder's predecessors was the problem. hahaha perfectly legit reason to hate. but #fuck the swarm host | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Overseer: Yay. Small change that can help ZvT mainly in the later stages. It really is quite annoying when the overseers always lag behind. Doesn't really get to the heart of the matter though Mech: ???. Not sure on this one. I remember those 3/3 vikings in conjunction with the ground force being a pain in the ass during the beta for ZvT. Helps TvP lategame though (I'm so sick of the scv pulls, this is like the worst matchup now). Vipers: Nay. This might be to help counter the planned mech upgrade buff, but outside of that I don't really like it. Bio/mine still makes it hard to get to hive comfortably and this could hurt the later stages of PvZ. | ||
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doggy
Germany306 Posts
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
On August 13 2013 09:43 Aserrin wrote: This Viper buff would make no one want to go late-game against Zerg, further enforcing all-ins and 1/2 base timings, making the game even more boring to watch. 1/2 base timings don't make the game boring to watch. The fact people never have a reason to leave their corner of the map due to every map having an easy fourth base is the damn issue. | ||
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
On August 13 2013 09:48 11B wrote: Speeding up Overseers won't help close IMBA issues in Z vs T. And 100% Viper energy from the start is just plain bad. Don't get me wrong, I Would Love It - but it's a horrible idea. I'm surprised they'd even post a "potential change" even supporting the idea. In regards to WM, I'm a big fan of bringing the range down to 4 and make it cost $$/gas to get a range of 5. 2nd, in regards to WMs, make the damage they deal Race Specific. Vs Zerg, something like 80 damage vs armored units and 40 damage vs biological units (50% damage vs small units). That way a single WM hit would more or less bring every Zerg unit hit to around 50% Health - which IMO is still pretty damn good from a single mine. As far as Vipers go, make it like Infestors but maybe with a slightly shorter upgrade time. I like the idea of a 60 seconds upgrade that adds 25 Energy new Vipers. Abduct from the go and a little micro and consume needed for BCloud. So you mean you want WM to deal: 40vs bio +40 vs armored +35 shield? That's quite weird... having so many varience... How about making them non-spell? so the splash dmg will be similar to siege tank (does less dmg in the outer radius) and viper can blind cloud them! :D Edit: only making them non-spell, I will accept it | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
On August 13 2013 09:33 SsDrKosS wrote: Did you know that Viper used to have Blinding cloud with bigger radius? It was nerfed because it was OP. PURE OP. How long ago was this though? Was it early on in HoTS/HoTS Beta? I think the game has advanced quite a bit since then. Abduct is a good spell but blinding cloud feels pretty limited right now (relative to the viper investment). If they buffed blinding cloud's radius/diameter I think it could make ZvT and ZvP much more interesting. Could even warrant more viper play in late game ZvZ. | ||
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ZionsWrath
United States121 Posts
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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Maasked
United States567 Posts
I dont see the big point. Also it will make my PvZ even worse Lol. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 13 2013 10:02 ZionsWrath wrote: Vipers spawn with full energy? I'll take back my Khydarian Amulet thank you very much. Those are TOTALLY the same thing. Good catch! | ||
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