EPTThe zerg changes are so random and out of touch. Makes me wonder if they even play/watch the game.
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Rokevo
Finland1033 Posts
The zerg changes are so random and out of touch. Makes me wonder if they even play/watch the game. | ||
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
I'd be fine with full viper energy if it's used more for blinding clouds instead, those tend to make for interesting battles. | ||
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
On August 13 2013 10:45 Phoobie wrote: Or what if we replaced the Widow Mine with a Widow Maker, similar model to the current Widow Mine except it hovers over the ground and has no attack and cannot burrow. Spawns with 2 Mine charges, using a charge plants a Widow Mine at the target area that lasts indefinitely and provides a small radius of vision, Mines trigger when an enemy unit is within 3 range and deal let's say 50-80 damage in a small AOE. Widow Makers can replenish Widow Mines in a similar fasion to Carriers building interceptors at a small mineral Cost. hey, a guy can dream can't he  Wow! vulture with no attack yeah? cooooool! (seriously, cool. +1) EDIT: How about this stats? + Show Spoiler + Widow make 90hp, light, mech 75,75, supply 2, 45sec build can be reactored each mines costs 15 mineral WM- dmgs 50 with some Aoe (1.5? I'm not quite sure about this.) | ||
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Scones
Wales99 Posts
I don't use them and think "Ah I wish I had more energy on these bad boys! I would be able to blinding cloud groups of marines earlier in the game!" It is easy enough to get enough energy to use them on collosus and mech. The energy isnt a problem... | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On August 13 2013 10:53 Kettchup wrote: I've never been a fan of abduct at all, it's a silly ability that should never have been in the game (like force fields, but it's way too late for that). I'd be fine with full viper energy if it's used more for blinding clouds instead, those tend to make for interesting battles. that's on the player. I think we will begin seeing more blinding clouds though, it's absolutely under utilized in TvZ IMO i like the changes but the mech one seems unnecessary. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On August 13 2013 10:51 SsDrKosS wrote: Thats why! It's already painful to one shot oracle, stalker, zealot, etc Immortals should not get countered sooo easy by this cheap, massible units. btw do you guys use mines often in PvT? maybe in early game or as defence but not much, right?. and If it is too nerfed against immortals, make splash (40dmg) remains to be skill dmg. Dragoons had enough time with mines in BW you know. let immortal alone :D Mines are the only unit that mech has that is effective vs immortals though. | ||
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rift
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midnight999
United States257 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:47 paddyz wrote: Why are Terran and Zerg being Buffed when its toss that are not winning any tournaments?, toss buff? Toss won WCS EU and a Dreamhack not long ago... | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10139 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:00 TheRabidDeer wrote: Mines are the only unit that mech has that is effective vs immortals though. And immortals outrange them anyways. | ||
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SsDrKosS
330 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:00 TheRabidDeer wrote: Mines are the only unit that mech has that is effective vs immortals though. But I think leaving wm like this is quite painful for zergs in mid-late games. Mass mines +MMM are sooooo painful. Hope overseer buff solves some problems. We will see Blizzard should buff tank or ghost instead vs protoss. | ||
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Clawfinger
Canada221 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:13 SsDrKosS wrote: But I think leaving wm like this is quite painful for zergs in mid-late games. Mass mines +MMM are sooooo painful. Hope overseer buff solves some problems. We will see Blizzard should buff tank or ghost instead vs protoss. I want Blizzard to try adjusting the AI so that auto attack prioritizes unburrowed widow mines over marines/marauders. There should be more penalty for catching a Terran off guard than there currently is. There is a chance that this would be too easy for the Zerg, but they have to try something to make it so Terran's with bad mechanics don't get rewarded when they are caught off guard in an engagement. | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On August 13 2013 09:38 StreetWise wrote: Maybe its because I am so old, but I actually wish they would slow the game down a little. Everything is already so fast as it is... While making a unit faster is a buff, it seems they tend to use this buff too much. The oracle sucks, speed buff. The warp prism sucks, speed buff. Overseer sucks speed buff! While the movement speed can have an effect on the ability for even high level professionals to micromanage units as much as might be nice in the game, they would really need to slow the attack rates by the same amount in order to slow battles down enough and make all aspects that much more controllable, while still a pretty fast game overall. Age of Empires II is played at the "Normal" speed setting by professionals, for more manageable micro engagements. + Show Spoiler + To be clear though, in AoE II, "Normal" is actually 1.5× speed, where "Slow" follows the formula of 1.0 real time second = 1.0 game second and "Fast" is × 1.0 real time second = 2.0 game seconds. On August 13 2013 09:36 TyrantPotato wrote: however in a recent interview with Chinese players the argument now from David is "they are countered by marauders/ immortals" as to why the lurker is not in. ive no opinion on the matter, at least not one that's untainted with balance whine. Well they could just make them [Medium], i.e. Non-Light, Non-armoured, like Ghosts, Banelings and Queens. :\ There's no need for really zany "creative" changes to the widow mine. If it needed a change, you could try something like reducing splash damage from 40 to 30 or 35, enough to kill zerglings in one hit, or maybe not quite enough for that if it is more balanced for them not to, because even if it's not enough for them, it could still be enough for banelings. I'm not suggesting it shouldn't kill zerglings in on hit of splash either; I'm not sure. I do think that's the sort of thing to be thought of for the widow mine. :Þ ...and if mech needed a buff, I do think some +damage vs shield bonus just for tanks would be ideal, whether inherent or through the form of an upgrade. That could help a lot versus immortals and also archons, which aren't necessarily amazing versus mech but certainly don't take high amounts from hellbats or tanks as is. | ||
Paulfirelordmu
10 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On August 13 2013 04:40 Silky wrote: I agree completely. There needs to be something else to deal with widow mines because the sheer amount of control involved is ridiculous for the zerg. I do like the viper buff, however, as it does help zerg out if certain situations, ridiculous is such a funny word considering there where baneling-landmines 3 yrs now and only some used them, but still claimed T to be OP (although obviously not having used every option to bring T down). Scouting ahead of moving your army is "ridiculous control". That automaticly says you only made a- move instead of CONTROLING your army and that on the other hand makes it clear that incoming balance whine is what you should be prepared for: since scanning ahead, presplitting, taking 3 or more control groups for army etc was "standard" for terran, and not "ridiculous" but the moment Zergs have to send 1 zergling in front (or take overseer with army), army control becomes ridiculous. I don't want to say Z is OP, or T is UP, it is just the way races are designed, in short and very vague: Z is a macro oriented race, T has to micro and multitask a lot. But saying, moving army around withoug looking what is in front of it, is "ridiculously difficult", whereas other race(es) have to do it for several years now, is just like saying "I had a easy life before, but now it get's harder so let's complain before we go that path". Well to be on your side I have to say: it should maybe not be part of the Z race, to control the army at all (or is it?)- I have watched Stephanos Stream several times, 1 or 2 army control groups with A-Move do the deal if you have the GAME SENSE and KNOWLEDGE of what the opponent is doing. Is it fair to ask from Zerg players to do some Army Control (in ADDITION to what they have to do till today), or is it not fair, since other races don't have to wear that burden. IDK but we will see. All I know is, that calling something "rediculously hard", whereas other races have to do it to get out of bronze league, just shows, that there is much (MUCH) room for playing the race even more to the limit. Playing random, and to finish up: bringing an (or several) overseers with the army, or sending units (or inf. marines) in front where u suggest a mine, isn't ridiculously hard, it's absolutely easy and simple and should be part of the game, overseer speed seems to be fair, since Z army should still be able to move around quickly, (and... easy?) so Z can maintain map control while expanding. But please don't call that ridiculous, watch some TvTs, you'll see some players are fine with the other ones widow mines  | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:26 vol_ wrote: I like them changes. Thanks for remembering my birthday dayvie <3 happy B-day. Your Logo shows it  | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
The overseer buff I don't like. This trend of making scouting units cheaper for the longest time has been something I disliked. I like when players need to be predict things, kind of like playing poker, opposed to playing with a maphack I guess. So pretty against this change. The upgrade change I'm pretty neutral on. It it annoying having 4 things to upgrade when going mech, so I don't see this as a bad thing, plus the upgrades have a more significant difference, so I think I like this change. Interested to see how it plays out. | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:50 FiWiFaKi wrote: Full energy vipers is good I think. It makes it exciting... Like when in BW defilers hatched just in time to stop a push(they consumed lings to get full energy pretty much instantly), it's a good change. Surprised how little the average person knows or thinks about this to so many people think it's a negative change. The overseer buff I don't like. This trend of making scouting units cheaper for the longest time has been something I disliked. I like when players need to be predict things, kind of like playing poker, opposed to playing with a maphack I guess. So pretty against this change. The upgrade change I'm pretty neutral on. It it annoying having 4 things to upgrade when going mech, so I don't see this as a bad thing, plus the upgrades have a more significant difference, so I think I like this change. Interested to see how it plays out. i dont see a problem with the change personally. I have an issue with the logic of claiming mech needs attention, buffing it (albeit in a wierd indirect copout way), then also buffing a unit which is its essential direct counter (mech needs positioning viper destroys positioning) that logic to me at least, is something well i dont know. | ||
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MattD
United Kingdom83 Posts
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