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LOL. MLG is getting heat from more than just the SC2 community for this one.
top comment from the LoL reddit front page post on this topic:
"MLG 2007-2010: Look at this great game called Halo, our tournaments are getting incredibly popular from it!
MLG 2011: Holy crap! Look at this thing called Starcraft! Lets totally do that, it is way more popular than Halo.
MLG 2012: Halo... I no longer love you. I am moving on to a better, more sexy, more profitable lover. I call him Starcraft. Everything you own is in a box to the left.
MLG 2013: Starcraft, you were a fun time, but League of Legends has really nice car..."
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On August 09 2013 09:31 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 09:30 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2013 09:25 Quotidian wrote:On August 09 2013 09:00 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2013 08:56 Quotidian wrote:On August 09 2013 08:52 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2013 08:49 Quotidian wrote:On August 09 2013 08:45 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2013 08:43 Quotidian wrote:On August 09 2013 08:40 dutchfriese wrote:
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never said anything of that nature. I was saying that dota 2 is enjoyable to a greater amount of people than sc2 because it's an easier game to play. A lot of people don't play sc2 because they see it as a chore and don't enjoy themselves. I can even prove this with brood war vs sc2. The reason sc2 is way more popular globally than brood war was is because sc2 itself is WAY easier to play than brood war was, hence more people enjoy themselves while playing the game, which leads to more people playing an a regular basis. that's hardly proof. SC2's success over BW can just as easily be attributed to hype, pc gaming being more mainstream and more money spent on marketing just because blizzard marketed it doesn't mean people were going to play it on a regular basis. I know around 8 people who all bought the game and haven't played since the first 2 months of WoL. The hype sure didn't them to continue playing. again, not relevant. You were talking about success, not longevity. This is pointless, you're bad at arguing. I'm switching back to TI3 scream not relevant all you want, i can't think critically for you, sorry. not for yourself either, it seems. Simple observations isn't proof of anything. the proof is wc3 vs dota, like i've already told you numerous times. There is FAR more necessary apm to win in a wc3 game vs a dota game, therefore it is a harder game to play. You really can't understand this? that's an assertion. An assertion is not proof. There can be3 many other reasons why dota ended up being more played than WC3.. like continued updates, new heroes etc. Most likely it's a combination of things it's the primary reason. Like i've already told you, i have many, many friends who have no fun playing starcraft 2 and had no fun playing warcraft 3 or brood war because the game went too fast for them. It's really obvious which game is harder, try teaching someone new to both games each one sometime and let me know which game was picked up faster. sigh
funny i've been doing exactly that with each of your posts.
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I'm kind of okay with this. I never liked mlg anyhow, they have done a lot for the scene, but they also have been sketchy as fuck and I hope they get replaced with a better organization.
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On August 09 2013 09:11 Ventris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 09:08 negativedge wrote:On August 09 2013 08:56 Highways wrote:
At the end of the day this is all Blizzards fault:
1. Badly designed game - Comparing SC2 to BW is comparing a turd to a masterpiece. SC2 skill level is too low, barely any micro as the AI will micro for you, put everything on one hotkey and attack move, deathballs and a very very badly designed warp gate which kills the fun out of any Protoss matchup.
2. Blizzard money hungry While other companies like Riot are paying events organisers to host the game, Blizzard is demanding loyalties to broadcast the turd of a game that is SC2. Not only do they demand royalties, they even give the pillars of Starcraft a lawsuit (OGN and MBC Game).
The only hope for SC2 is for Blizzard to:
- Increase the skill gap and redesign Protoss in LotV
- Actually support and promote the game rather than being money hungry bastards
- Region lock WCS to support local growth (make Korea WCS have the biggest prize pool)
- Fix up battle.net to make it more social I wonder if all these TL leeches just have a big word document that they barf templates like this into so that they can spam every thread that reaches ten pages or more? Probably. Reading these threads makes me feel like I'm one of like 5 guys who actually enjoys watching the game and doesn't think that Blizzard is some kind of fusion from Umbrella, Weyland-Yutani and Shin-Ra -_-
Yeah. Well the community loves to bitch and whine because they are a lot. Im watching WCS NA right now and enjoying it. I'll with TI3 later. And when I come back, people will still be bitching about Blizzard in this thread.
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@incontrol's post SO SAY WE ALL!
Inc makes (as always) a great deal of sense. I sometimes wonder if the average age of the community were a tad higher that the fatalistic talk would be a lot less. I've been on this planet a good while now, and I've seen good times and bad times. The thing is that so long as there are people willing to put in the effort, the good times always return..... maybe not always the lofty heights we would like, but always to a pointyou can be happy with.
Having been professional musician my entire adult life (approaching 20 years now) I certainly have seen many ups and downs. SC2 is doing jus fine, even if its not the top dog anymore.As inc said, thats fine.... we dont need to be top dog, we just need to be in the race.
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On August 09 2013 08:02 Lumi wrote:Sundance has since issued this tweet, which is enough to appease me. It's Sundance. I've only experienced a progressive building of trust with this person. I'm inclined to question.. and I have, but this appeases me: And with that, I'm over it ^_~
SC2 still makes too much money for them I'd imagine. Wasn't it only last year when the Kespa tournament "shat on every record in the history of ever?" They'd be dumb to drop SC2.
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I think the best part about the post is the point that MLG pays Blizzard to have SC2 at the events. It just wasn't worth the money any more, which is fine. If someone else is offering enough money for that, great. Good for MLG. WCS is playing right now, so I don't really have a problem.
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On August 08 2013 22:22 SpecialistSc wrote:
simply put, sc2 is not a investment that's worth any more
just look at the viewer count
a single LoL pro's stream gets more views than WCS America premiere league early stages
So WHY invest in sc2? MLG good job, nobody can blame you guys for making a sensical decision
I remember a time when gaming wasn't all about money, guess you weren't around. It's not like they're making bad money either way.
SC2 isn't dead, there will always be people playing games that are actually hard and entertaining.
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you can only go ''so far'' with a bad game , my main problem with sc2 that probably because that more ''fps'' that ''rts''
but hey sc2 was fun for ''some time'' got gm and stuft then quited because that just a terrible game after some time...
you wonder why 4-5 pro a leaving each week ? well they think the same... and we have no ''new pro'' for take the place of the guy who leave , and the tournament from blizzard kill all chance for foreigner outside korea , realy less tournament and price...
most pro gamer in ''na'' would get more money flipping burger.... because of this blizzard tournament....
in broodwar you could win 20-0 vs someone if you are better that him , in sc2 that more about luck , your champion of the week change well... every week , the patch they did and the one who abuse them the most ... make the best ''pro'' can go on and on but you get the point .
that was expected .
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On August 09 2013 09:08 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 08:56 Highways wrote:
At the end of the day this is all Blizzards fault:
1. Badly designed game - Comparing SC2 to BW is comparing a turd to a masterpiece. SC2 skill level is too low, barely any micro as the AI will micro for you, put everything on one hotkey and attack move, deathballs and a very very badly designed warp gate which kills the fun out of any Protoss matchup.
2. Blizzard money hungry While other companies like Riot are paying events organisers to host the game, Blizzard is demanding loyalties to broadcast the turd of a game that is SC2. Not only do they demand royalties, they even give the pillars of Starcraft a lawsuit (OGN and MBC Game).
The only hope for SC2 is for Blizzard to:
- Increase the skill gap and redesign Protoss in LotV
- Actually support and promote the game rather than being money hungry bastards
- Region lock WCS to support local growth (make Korea WCS have the biggest prize pool)
- Fix up battle.net to make it more social Wow what a retarded post. Nothing in your post makes sense.
Your reply is mind boggling. This is the only thing I will say to you.
As for Highways's reply, SPOT ON.
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On August 09 2013 09:54 Mozq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:22 SpecialistSc wrote:
simply put, sc2 is not a investment that's worth any more
just look at the viewer count
a single LoL pro's stream gets more views than WCS America premiere league early stages
So WHY invest in sc2? MLG good job, nobody can blame you guys for making a sensical decision I remember a time when gaming wasn't all about money, guess you weren't around. It's not like they're making bad money either way. SC2 isn't dead, there will always be people playing games that are actually hard and entertaining.
You mean BroodWar?
By the way, when we say SC2 is dead, we don't mean the people playing it casually. We mean the E-sports part of it. Before HoTS was out, some people fought so hard to actually make the game a worthy successor to BW, but there were too many people defending SC2 and Blizzard at all cost because they didn't want the game to die. They thought that if they believed in it, people would love the game.
Destiny, Orb, etc... they all made big posts to start a wave of change, but it got counterbalanced by those guys who are actually paid to talk: Artosis is paid by Blizzard. we know deep inside he knows BW was so much better, but he will always talk good of SC2 (until he was no job at least).
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Other companies pay them to have their games; Blizzard's the only one that requires them to pay instead. Kind of to be expected eventually.
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good job WCS for killing SC2
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On August 09 2013 10:05 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 09:54 Mozq wrote:On August 08 2013 22:22 SpecialistSc wrote:
simply put, sc2 is not a investment that's worth any more
just look at the viewer count
a single LoL pro's stream gets more views than WCS America premiere league early stages
So WHY invest in sc2? MLG good job, nobody can blame you guys for making a sensical decision I remember a time when gaming wasn't all about money, guess you weren't around. It's not like they're making bad money either way. SC2 isn't dead, there will always be people playing games that are actually hard and entertaining. You mean BroodWar? By the way, when we say SC2 is dead, we don't mean the people playing it casually. We mean the E-sports part of it. Before HoTS was out, some people fought so hard to actually make the game a worthy successor to BW, but there were too many people defending SC2 and Blizzard at all cost because they didn't want the game to die. They thought that if they believed in it, people would love the game. Destiny, Orb, etc... they all made big posts to start a wave of change, but it got counterbalanced by those guys who are actually paid to talk: Artosis is paid by Blizzard. we know deep inside he knows BW was so much better, but he will always talk good of SC2 (until he was no job at least).
Oh please a flawed game mechanically is not any better.
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On August 09 2013 10:05 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 09:54 Mozq wrote:On August 08 2013 22:22 SpecialistSc wrote:
simply put, sc2 is not a investment that's worth any more
just look at the viewer count
a single LoL pro's stream gets more views than WCS America premiere league early stages
So WHY invest in sc2? MLG good job, nobody can blame you guys for making a sensical decision I remember a time when gaming wasn't all about money, guess you weren't around. It's not like they're making bad money either way. SC2 isn't dead, there will always be people playing games that are actually hard and entertaining. Destiny, Orb, etc... they all made big posts to start a wave of change, but it got counterbalanced by those guys who are actually paid to talk: Artosis is paid by Blizzard. we know deep inside he knows BW was so much better, but he will always talk good of SC2 (until he was no job at least).
Somtetimes pictures tell more than words: http://www.allmystery.de/i/t57be4a_Facepalm3.jpg
Come on, such completly unproven accusations towards Artosis are stupid even for BW-Fanboys.
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On August 09 2013 10:11 GolemMadness wrote:
Other companies pay them to have their games; Blizzard's the only one that requires them to pay instead. Kind of to be expected eventually.
Can't blame Sundance at all. Blizzard arrogance at it's finest.
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Man, this thread has gone to shit. People arguing about Dota vs Lol vs SC2 vs BW. Blizzard being hated on. WCS being hated on. MLG being hated on. TB being hated on.
This thread has peaked.
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On August 09 2013 10:25 revel8 wrote:
Man, this thread has gone to shit. People arguing about Dota vs Lol vs SC2 vs BW. Blizzard being hated on. WCS being hated on. MLG being hated on. TB being hated on.
This thread has peaked.
Yeah, it's really a said affair. I missed the TB angle though, my brain must have blanked it out to save itself from lasting damage.
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MLG will replace SC2 will zoozoo bubble. Problem solved.
plays zoozoo bubble music
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On August 09 2013 10:15 kckkryptonite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 10:11 GolemMadness wrote:
Other companies pay them to have their games; Blizzard's the only one that requires them to pay instead. Kind of to be expected eventually. Can't blame Sundance at all. Blizzard arrogance at it's finest.
It's "its".
The most comforting part about all of this is that Sundance gets it : ).
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