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On August 09 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:33 ACrow wrote:On August 09 2013 01:28 docvoc wrote:On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. The thing I like the most is the beautification of their community and the supposed ugliness of ours. I've seen several comments in here saying that the community is "less bitchy" or that it's "more mature." My days looking through the QQ threads and looking at JoinDotA disagree with those lol. I'd say both communities have their bad sides. Just because MLG isn't running an SC2 event at Columbus yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. All this bullshit about how SC2 is a bad successor to BW or whatever Sct00 is dying comments, what have you, are just that, bullshit. This isn't great news, but it isn't the nail in the coffin, and it certainly isn't GG for the NA scene. On the blizz subject. Yeah, their support of this game has been awful, and wings wasn't exactly a balanced game from beginning to end by any means. HotS things are much better, and while I'm inclined to believe that the reasons for this are because a lot of the great people that were in blizzard before activision-blizz was a thing are gone and that Vivendi bought them up and were only in for profit, that doesn't change the fact that it was bad. That said, that should not ruin your viewer experience in any way, that has no effect on you watching a game of GSL, so I'm unsure why that even matters. There are people who say that the Dota community is not bitchy or more mature? I haven't played Dota that much, but when I did it was a constant flaming and "I-blame-my-team-for-everything"-fest. Not saying that I haven't received plenty of flaming and balance whining when playing SC2, but Dota was far, FAR worse. The people who take the game seriously are much better. And the players on the professional teams are better as a whole and do not whine a lot(there are exceptions out there, but they are exceptions)
This sums it up quite well, everyone I've met who takes the game seriously has been really nice (if a little edgy when losing at times).
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On August 09 2013 01:37 habeck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. I haven't got any party bug, and i dont get any random DC, you should blame your internet
Or that its a known bug. That server goes down several times a day. Also, theer is the store bug and the health bar bug. And all the other weird bugs like the "all meepos die bug"
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On August 08 2013 22:16 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:15 Erraa93 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:13 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:11 InsanityUK wrote:
I think if they had something else planned then he wouldn't have phrased it that way but you never know. Not necessarily. MLG likes hype, so having the community already stirred up and thinking about MLG before they make their new announcement could be good for them. By potentially bringing out the people who pitchfork at every announcement... idk man Any press is good press.
said nobody ever.
also.. Sundance tweeted this:
@MLGSundance
Folks who love SC2 have tons to watch. @nasltv is still there + WCS isn't going anywhere. Game just doesn't fit into our Cbus plans.
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sooo yeah, that almost guarantees sc2 won't be a major part (if at all) of MLG "Cbus".
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On August 09 2013 01:36 EuroRabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:31 Targe wrote:On August 09 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote:On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. Yeah, I feel like most of the people praising Dota2 don't actually play it. Like its a fun game, but their UI has a lot of random bugs. Let's put it this way, I wouldn't play DotA 2 without a party, but if I had a party, I wouldn't play SC2. Yeah playing dota2 with random people is usually a frustrating experience. Every game is the same with two or three english speaking people on your team and then two or three south americans feeding, acting like idiots and not responding to anything the team says or does. I really don't know how people keep playing the game to be honest who solo play. I stopped a while ago because the game is just frustrating when people are idiots, and it happens quite often.
I que "very high" solo and it is usually a very fun experience. Playing with my friends who can't get out of "normal" matchmaking is usually much more painful for me. On topic, MLG not running SC2 can't really be seen as a surprise. The most interesting thing about the NA scene to me is that it has no real figure head since most of the "pillars of the community" have turned into "empty suits" who can have 0 opinion on anything because they are so in bed with the "Illuminati."
It seems like TB is the only one willing to voice an opinion anymore from a position of power.
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On August 09 2013 01:21 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:16 MVega wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. It didn't take them 2.5 years to put in chat channels though. Nowhere close to that. It took them 2.5 years to make them decent and relevant yes. Honestly while Blizzard has a habit of fucking up and shitting the bed every now and then, I can't fault them for not being psychic. The market changed after SC2 released. Riot innovated, Valve followed suit. StarCraft 2 was already a thing and Blizzard is in a hard spot because it's hard to change your entire product by that much once it's released. Blizzard should have taken the reins sooner as far as the tournament scene goes, should have had their own massive event sooner, and should manage the regional aspect of it far better, but being totally honest I can see why they wouldn't think that they had to. It's only somewhat their fault that massive NA events catered to top Korean pros instead of nurturing the local scene. In the end, Blizzard did fuck up a bit, but nowhere near what people claim. On August 09 2013 01:11 Shantastic wrote:
Not sure if MLG is passively and dispassionately screwing us over or if the NA SC2 scene is really that bad. Inclined to believe it's a bit of both. I'd say mostly the former. That whole statement about not fitting in with their plans just screams emo. esports was already a thing well before sc2 came out. there are no excuses for blizzard. there is only blizzard's dumbfounded, egotistic attitude towards the game and what they believe is right for us. also just a reminder that the biggest thing killing sc2 for the casual player, maphacking, is still rampant and blizzard seems not to care two shits about it.
eSports was a thing, but nobody can possibly deny that the market changed drastically well after StarCraft was already released. It's absolutely pointless to discuss what Riot and Valve are doing correctly, Blizzard is well aware of that I'm sure, but they can't really drastically change their entire product _now_. Maybe in an expansion they can make drastic changes, but still nothing on the scale of what Riot and Valve are free to do. It's so easy to sit here and talk about what Blizzard should do or what would have made StarCraft more popular in NA, but actually making those things happen? Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar harder. We can point fingers at Blizzard all we want for SC2 not getting LoL numbers, and that's okay, it's not entirely wrong, but at the same time we, the community, fucked the pooch when it came to the NA scene. We did, Blizzard did, and tournament organizers did. We have to eat a piece of that humble pie, it's not all on Blizzard.
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On August 09 2013 01:40 waitwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:16 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:15 Erraa93 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:13 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:11 InsanityUK wrote:
I think if they had something else planned then he wouldn't have phrased it that way but you never know. Not necessarily. MLG likes hype, so having the community already stirred up and thinking about MLG before they make their new announcement could be good for them. By potentially bringing out the people who pitchfork at every announcement... idk man Any press is good press. said nobody ever.
The fact that people specifically use that idea to promote products/business/whatever would indicate the contrary.
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On August 09 2013 01:42 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:40 waitwhat wrote:On August 08 2013 22:16 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:15 Erraa93 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:13 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:11 InsanityUK wrote:
I think if they had something else planned then he wouldn't have phrased it that way but you never know. Not necessarily. MLG likes hype, so having the community already stirred up and thinking about MLG before they make their new announcement could be good for them. By potentially bringing out the people who pitchfork at every announcement... idk man Any press is good press. said nobody ever. The fact that people specifically use that idea to promote products/business/whatever would indicate the contrary.
Yeeeeah... Not sure if that work all that well.
I know the marketing principle behind it, but I'm not that will help selling Xbox One for example.
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BossDH @robertohlen
I’ve heard that nature abhors a vacuum…
Oh you..
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On August 09 2013 01:42 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:40 waitwhat wrote:On August 08 2013 22:16 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:15 Erraa93 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:13 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:11 InsanityUK wrote:
I think if they had something else planned then he wouldn't have phrased it that way but you never know. Not necessarily. MLG likes hype, so having the community already stirred up and thinking about MLG before they make their new announcement could be good for them. By potentially bringing out the people who pitchfork at every announcement... idk man Any press is good press. said nobody ever. The fact that people specifically use that idea to promote products/business/whatever would indicate the contrary.
It's true to some extend but to say that any press is good press is just false from a literal sense . There's countless of examples where negative press have been harmful, there's really no debate there.
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On August 09 2013 01:45 Conti wrote:Oh you..
Robert never fail to put on the cynical touch to things.
Now we only need 2GD to say something.
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On August 09 2013 01:40 waitwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:16 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:15 Erraa93 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:13 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:11 InsanityUK wrote:
I think if they had something else planned then he wouldn't have phrased it that way but you never know. Not necessarily. MLG likes hype, so having the community already stirred up and thinking about MLG before they make their new announcement could be good for them. By potentially bringing out the people who pitchfork at every announcement... idk man Any press is good press. said nobody ever.
Actually, they've already gotten a ton of press. Right now, half of TL and SCreddit are talking about, and thinking about MLG. If they were to release a statement right now saying that they have a big SC2 event planned, there is absolutely no way it would be missed.
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Do you think this will end at JUST Columbus?
I haven't been following the sc2 scene for a while but how bad were the numbers this year for the MLGs?
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On August 09 2013 01:46 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:45 Conti wrote:BossDH @robertohlen
I’ve heard that nature abhors a vacuum…
Oh you.. Robert never fail to put on the cynical touch to things. Now we only need 2GD to say something.
I don't read that as a cynical.
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On August 09 2013 01:45 Conti wrote:Oh you..
DH NA, gogo. Show them how to do a proper show 
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On August 09 2013 01:47 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:40 waitwhat wrote:On August 08 2013 22:16 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:15 Erraa93 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:13 packrat386 wrote:On August 08 2013 22:11 InsanityUK wrote:
I think if they had something else planned then he wouldn't have phrased it that way but you never know. Not necessarily. MLG likes hype, so having the community already stirred up and thinking about MLG before they make their new announcement could be good for them. By potentially bringing out the people who pitchfork at every announcement... idk man Any press is good press. said nobody ever. Actually, they've already gotten a ton of press. Right now, half of TL and SCreddit are talking about, and thinking about MLG. If they were to release a statement right now saying that they have a big SC2 event planned, there is absolutely no way it would be missed.
I'll take back what I said, but they won't release that statement because Sundance just tweeted that SC2 isn't going to be at Columbus and to watch WCS for NA content. Sucks =(!
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Hm, I am sorry for the NA scene. IEM New York and maybe DH in the future to the rescue I guess. I also think WCS 2014 will have better conditions for them.
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that sux 
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Good riddance. It alleviates some over saturation and removes the worst tournament from the scene. Overall a good thing. But how do you announce something like that just through twitter?
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On August 09 2013 01:51 Gentso wrote:
Good riddance. It alleviates some over saturation and removes the worst tournament from the scene. Overall a good thing. But how do you announce something like that just through twitter?
How do you announce something you don't plan to do? You just say it and move on.
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On August 09 2013 01:47 daxile wrote:
Do you think this will end at JUST Columbus?
I haven't been following the sc2 scene for a while but how bad were the numbers this year for the MLGs?
The numbers were absolutely huge for Dallas and I think they were still pretty strong for Anaheim. This just seems like either contract problems or fallout from MLG's failure with WCS S1.
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