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I'm not mad. I'm just really fucking sad. Regardless if this is just one event we're missing, or sign of things to come, this just hurts.
Before SC2, MLG was small. I remember watching my first one and the other games they had were Call of Duty, Halo and Smash Bros. After we show up, our game made that company the powerhouse it is now. After event numbers releases show record break after record break after record break with viewers. MLG starts getting huge and all those millions in venture capital goes into their pockets. You think Call of Duty got them all that money?
Now our viewership starts to wane a bit and we're put back on the turnip truck because big brother LoL is destroying us in viewers. I realize every company has to make money but this just feels like a giant betrayal.
I'm just really sad. .
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On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game.
The thing I like the most is the beautification of their community and the supposed ugliness of ours. I've seen several comments in here saying that the community is "less bitchy" or that it's "more mature." My days looking through the QQ threads and looking at JoinDotA disagree with those lol. I'd say both communities have their bad sides. Just because MLG isn't running an SC2 event at Columbus yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. All this bullshit about how SC2 is a bad successor to BW or whatever Sct00 is dying comments, what have you, are just that, bullshit. This isn't great news, but it isn't the nail in the coffin, and it certainly isn't GG for the NA scene.
On the blizz subject. Yeah, their support of this game has been awful, and wings wasn't exactly a balanced game from beginning to end by any means. HotS things are much better, and while I'm inclined to believe that the reasons for this are because a lot of the great people that were in blizzard before activision-blizz was a thing are gone and that Vivendi bought them up and were only in for profit, that doesn't change the fact that it was bad. That said, that should not ruin your viewer experience in any way, that has no effect on you watching a game of GSL, so I'm unsure why that even matters.
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On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game.
Yeah, I feel like most of the people praising Dota2 don't actually play it. Like its a fun game, but their UI has a lot of random bugs.
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It's unfortunate, but I'm not really heart broken. WCS on its own gives an absoute crapton of content.
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I was planning on going to this  If they decide to announce it late, i feel like i cant get off work/make hotel arrangements in time. Either way, I feel that there are better SC2 Tournaments out there than MLG. MLG production has consistently been shotty and over-managed in my opinion. I prefer watching Dreamhack's, Iron Squids, and Pro League anyway. Oh well, not much can be done now
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On August 09 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. Yeah, I feel like most of the people praising Dota2 don't actually play it. Like its a fun game, but their UI has a lot of random bugs.
Let's put it this way, I wouldn't play DotA 2 without a party, but if I had a party, I wouldn't play SC2.
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On August 09 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. Yeah, I feel like most of the people praising Dota2 don't actually play it. Like its a fun game, but their UI has a lot of random bugs.
What.........? TL has a DOTA2 team, a lot of us play it and think it deserves all the praise its getting.
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On August 09 2013 01:28 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. The thing I like the most is the beautification of their community and the supposed ugliness of ours. I've seen several comments in here saying that the community is "less bitchy" or that it's "more mature." My days looking through the QQ threads and looking at JoinDotA disagree with those lol. I'd say both communities have their bad sides. Just because MLG isn't running an SC2 event at Columbus yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. All this bullshit about how SC2 is a bad successor to BW or whatever Sct00 is dying comments, what have you, are just that, bullshit. This isn't great news, but it isn't the nail in the coffin, and it certainly isn't GG for the NA scene. On the blizz subject. Yeah, their support of this game has been awful, and wings wasn't exactly a balanced game from beginning to end by any means. HotS things are much better, and while I'm inclined to believe that the reasons for this are because a lot of the great people that were in blizzard before activision-blizz was a thing are gone and that Vivendi bought them up and were only in for profit, that doesn't change the fact that it was bad. That said, that should not ruin your viewer experience in any way, that has no effect on you watching a game of GSL, so I'm unsure why that even matters.
The difference between Dota 2 is more that Valve ignores the whiners and the QQ isn't mostly about the game, not Valve. People complain about stuff, but not to the level of SC2. Every event has an 4-8 stage bitch fest about each aspect of the event, around the number of Koreans, the formate and who does or does not get a visa. Once the event takes place, we bitch who is on screen and what girls are on screen and if they should be on screen. Its endless. Nothing is good enough and everything is terrible. No one can run a good event, except for GOM, because they can do no wrong.
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On August 09 2013 01:28 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. The thing I like the most is the beautification of their community and the supposed ugliness of ours. I've seen several comments in here saying that the community is "less bitchy" or that it's "more mature." My days looking through the QQ threads and looking at JoinDotA disagree with those lol. I'd say both communities have their bad sides. Just because MLG isn't running an SC2 event at Columbus yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. All this bullshit about how SC2 is a bad successor to BW or whatever Sct00 is dying comments, what have you, are just that, bullshit. This isn't great news, but it isn't the nail in the coffin, and it certainly isn't GG for the NA scene. On the blizz subject. Yeah, their support of this game has been awful, and wings wasn't exactly a balanced game from beginning to end by any means. HotS things are much better, and while I'm inclined to believe that the reasons for this are because a lot of the great people that were in blizzard before activision-blizz was a thing are gone and that Vivendi bought them up and were only in for profit, that doesn't change the fact that it was bad. That said, that should not ruin your viewer experience in any way, that has no effect on you watching a game of GSL, so I'm unsure why that even matters.
There are people who say that the Dota community is not bitchy or more mature? I haven't played Dota that much, but when I did it was a constant flaming and "I-blame-my-team-for-everything"-fest. Not saying that I haven't received plenty of flaming and balance whining when playing SC2, but Dota was far, FAR worse.
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On August 09 2013 01:30 Zenbrez wrote:
It's unfortunate, but I'm not really heart broken. WCS on its own gives an absoute crapton of content.
as long as the "Find Match" button gets me a game in less than a minute i'm happy. its $100 well spent.
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On August 09 2013 01:28 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. The thing I like the most is the beautification of their community and the supposed ugliness of ours. I've seen several comments in here saying that the community is "less bitchy" or that it's "more mature." My days looking through the QQ threads and looking at JoinDotA disagree with those lol. I'd say both communities have their bad sides. Just because MLG isn't running an SC2 event at Columbus yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. All this bullshit about how SC2 is a bad successor to BW or whatever Sct00 is dying comments, what have you, are just that, bullshit. This isn't great news, but it isn't the nail in the coffin, and it certainly isn't GG for the NA scene. On the blizz subject. Yeah, their support of this game has been awful, and wings wasn't exactly a balanced game from beginning to end by any means. HotS things are much better, and while I'm inclined to believe that the reasons for this are because a lot of the great people that were in blizzard before activision-blizz was a thing are gone and that Vivendi bought them up and were only in for profit, that doesn't change the fact that it was bad. That said, that should not ruin your viewer experience in any way, that has no effect on you watching a game of GSL, so I'm unsure why that even matters.
The playerbase is terrible, there are QQers, people who feed if they don't get what they want, people who queue on every server despite not being able to communicate with the people from the servers they are queuing for etc. but the community, the one that takes the game seriously and wants to play properly is much nicer imo.
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On August 09 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. Yeah, I feel like most of the people praising Dota2 don't actually play it. Like its a fun game, but their UI has a lot of random bugs.
They don't at all. They just look across the pond and go "Those people seem happy. It must be Blizzard's fault I don't feel the same joy. Chat rooms would make me happy!"
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SC2 hasn't been enjoyable or interesting to me for a long time. I even went to both MLG Dallas's over the last couple years and just didn't have fun watching the SC2. It requires way too much knowledge to appreciate the plays people make (even though I have that knowledge, I just don't care), and too few people have remained playing the game for this long, there's just not a growing viewerbase. It's shrinking if anything.
Combine that with the fact there's very few up and comers in the scene, all of the good players are Korean (Stephano's retired, Naniwa is hit or miss, and Huk hasn't been good in forever) so there's no tension for the average non-Korean viewer. They want to watch people they can relate to kick ass, instead they see (on the whole) overly polite foreigners* come in and take all the prize money.
Contrast that to LoL, DotA 2, and all of the other games where you have American, Russian, and Western European players who are all at the top level of the scene, and all have a good chance to win. You get players at the very top who actually have personality repping their teams, streaming, and interacting with the community. Most of the top SC2 players don't speak English, are about as interesting as cardboard in interviews*, and don't stream often if at all.
Lastly, you have the attempted conglomeration of the scene into the disastrous (for multiple reasons that don't need repetition) WCS series in a pale attempt to capture some of the glory of The International or LCS. SC2 esports is falling back towards what Brood War was, a very niche, culty community that's extremely hard to penetrate and that damn near no one outside of TL actually cares about.
*I know it's a cultural thing, but that doesn't change the fact that it feels really awkward and uninteresting for the foreign audience.
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How anyone can think this decision is good business is beyond me. A large part of any long-term business plan is that you keep your repeat customers happy. So either MLG doesn't count its viewers as customers (which should frighten anyone watching ANY of their games), or they are perfectly fine with shitting all over a large chunk of their customer base.
Pretty much at this point someone needs to step up and get a big NA tournament going, there is now a tremendous market with literally 0 competition, and a lot of the lost NA viewership (that have stopped watching since Koreans everywhere) would likely come back with enough local hype pushing something big forward. As much as some people may be against such things, something like a big kickstarter campaign could show what the community is capable of.
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Given the way that Blizz has been handling WCS (with utter incompetence for the most part, seriously, scheduling Regionals all at once and on top of TI?), and their no-compete clauses, I'm not at all surprised by this.
This is obviously not something MLG would like to do, but I would imagine that Blizz made hosting a live sc2 event outside of the wcs ecosystem too difficult to the point where MLGs other offerings would be compromised to the point of it not being worth carrying sc2 anymore.
Note they left wiggle room if Blizz backtracks, which they won't because they're stupid.
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On August 09 2013 01:31 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:28 packrat386 wrote:On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. Yeah, I feel like most of the people praising Dota2 don't actually play it. Like its a fun game, but their UI has a lot of random bugs. Let's put it this way, I wouldn't play DotA 2 without a party, but if I had a party, I wouldn't play SC2.
Yeah playing dota2 with random people is usually a frustrating experience. Every game is the same with two or three english speaking people on your team and then two or three south americans feeding, acting like idiots and not responding to anything the team says or does. I really don't know how people keep playing the game to be honest who solo play. I stopped a while ago because the game is just frustrating when people are idiots, and it happens quite often.
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On August 09 2013 01:33 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:28 docvoc wrote:On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. The thing I like the most is the beautification of their community and the supposed ugliness of ours. I've seen several comments in here saying that the community is "less bitchy" or that it's "more mature." My days looking through the QQ threads and looking at JoinDotA disagree with those lol. I'd say both communities have their bad sides. Just because MLG isn't running an SC2 event at Columbus yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. All this bullshit about how SC2 is a bad successor to BW or whatever Sct00 is dying comments, what have you, are just that, bullshit. This isn't great news, but it isn't the nail in the coffin, and it certainly isn't GG for the NA scene. On the blizz subject. Yeah, their support of this game has been awful, and wings wasn't exactly a balanced game from beginning to end by any means. HotS things are much better, and while I'm inclined to believe that the reasons for this are because a lot of the great people that were in blizzard before activision-blizz was a thing are gone and that Vivendi bought them up and were only in for profit, that doesn't change the fact that it was bad. That said, that should not ruin your viewer experience in any way, that has no effect on you watching a game of GSL, so I'm unsure why that even matters. There are people who say that the Dota community is not bitchy or more mature? I haven't played Dota that much, but when I did it was a constant flaming and "I-blame-my-team-for-everything"-fest. Not saying that I haven't received plenty of flaming and balance whining when playing SC2, but Dota was far, FAR worse.
The people who take the game seriously are much better. And the players on the professional teams are better as a whole and do not whine a lot(there are exceptions out there, but they are exceptions)
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On August 09 2013 01:21 Plansix wrote:
Think of the entire nation of England, who rarely sees any SC2 events or any other event. We need to stop expecting the SC2 to come to us and find people who are willing to build it some place and go to it.
I think honestly this is the best. This leave things open for smaller Lans to open up and show what they can do. Also alot more online events. Honestly if MLG doesn't want to support sc2 then the sc2 community doesn't need to MLG. I feel money has always spoken louder then words. To the community, If you want the NA scene to grow start watching and supporting the smaller NA team leagues and tournaments showing up. That will prove them wrong and strengthen the scene as a whole.
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On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game.
I haven't got any party bug, and i dont get any random DC, you should blame your internet
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On August 09 2013 01:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:33 ACrow wrote:On August 09 2013 01:28 docvoc wrote:On August 09 2013 01:17 Plansix wrote:On August 09 2013 01:09 EuroRabbit wrote:On August 09 2013 00:59 vult wrote:On August 09 2013 00:50 BatesCsC wrote:
At some point we're going to have to acknowledge that we've wasted the last 3 years of our life playing the terrible successor to one of the best games ever made.
Even those in master league+ will be mocked and chided at for not playing BroodWar (Since both are/will be equally dead), "You were good at Sc2?. I'm good at wanking, does that make me skilled at video games?"
I know this is worth at least a warning but someone needs to say it rather than pathetically trying to convince ourselves the game can survive with Blizzard at the wheel. I love posts like this. Make me truly appreciate the level of maturity some people lack, and the complete absence of a filter. You make a post in a sc2 thread trashing on sc2. Good1. Well there is some truth to his statement. Blizzard has FAILED big time in a lot of ways with this game, especially the first 12-18 months after the games release. The community cried for a full 18 months before they took away close spawn positions, and starting actually listening to the community on what maps they want in the pool rather than what big brother Blizzard thinks is best for everyone. I guess the best way to sum it up is to just look at Dota 2 and what Valve has done in a relatively short period of time and how well they have listened to the community, and look how well it has paid off. TI3 is going to be a huge deal and is already bringing up really good numbers. Just think, it took Blizzard 2.5 years just to put in chat channels......just let that sink in. I love the people looking at Dota 2 through rose colored glasses, as I attempt to play and get DCed 3 times a day, my parties get lock and I can't invite people. Or the store bugs out or my client bugs out during game and I need to reconnect. Have to pause for a disconnect at least once every other game. The thing I like the most is the beautification of their community and the supposed ugliness of ours. I've seen several comments in here saying that the community is "less bitchy" or that it's "more mature." My days looking through the QQ threads and looking at JoinDotA disagree with those lol. I'd say both communities have their bad sides. Just because MLG isn't running an SC2 event at Columbus yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. All this bullshit about how SC2 is a bad successor to BW or whatever Sct00 is dying comments, what have you, are just that, bullshit. This isn't great news, but it isn't the nail in the coffin, and it certainly isn't GG for the NA scene. On the blizz subject. Yeah, their support of this game has been awful, and wings wasn't exactly a balanced game from beginning to end by any means. HotS things are much better, and while I'm inclined to believe that the reasons for this are because a lot of the great people that were in blizzard before activision-blizz was a thing are gone and that Vivendi bought them up and were only in for profit, that doesn't change the fact that it was bad. That said, that should not ruin your viewer experience in any way, that has no effect on you watching a game of GSL, so I'm unsure why that even matters. There are people who say that the Dota community is not bitchy or more mature? I haven't played Dota that much, but when I did it was a constant flaming and "I-blame-my-team-for-everything"-fest. Not saying that I haven't received plenty of flaming and balance whining when playing SC2, but Dota was far, FAR worse. The people who take the game seriously are much better. And the players on the professional teams are better as a whole and do not whine a lot(there are exceptions out there, but they are exceptions)
Gotta agree with that point.
Starcraft professional players are enormous whinny bitches in comparison to other games.
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