So sad to hear this, whether it be final or not, the very thought of uncertainty sucks. Hate to say it but SC2 is really just rotting away and I have to blame Blizzard entirely.

SpeaKEaSY

United States1070 Posts

August 08 2013 14:19 GMT

#182

Goodnight, sweet prince.

Stuff like this makes me grateful that SOSPA exists.

sumsaR

Sweden1812 Posts

August 08 2013 14:20 GMT

#183

Wierd twitter announcement. Typical MLG to half-announce something that's not final and may not be accurate just to fan the "PR flames".

xyzz

567 Posts

August 08 2013 14:21 GMT

#184

On August 08 2013 23:20 sumsaR wrote:
Wierd twitter announcement. Typical MLG to half-announce something that's not final and may not be accurate just to fan the "PR flames".

To me it seems like they're doing the community a favour by saying something that everybody's thinking.

virpi

Germany3599 Posts

August 08 2013 14:22 GMT

#185

well, most MLG events after 2011 weren't that great anyway. From a business standpoint, I can absolutely understand their decision. Games come and go, especially for companies like MLG. It's of course still sad to lose another tournament. Poor US scene. :/

Ventris

Germany1226 Posts

August 08 2013 14:22 GMT

#186

On August 08 2013 23:19 Rumpus wrote:
So sad to hear this, whether it be final or not, the very thought of uncertainty sucks. Hate to say it but SC2 is really just rotting away and I have to blame Blizzard entirely.

So, what was there to play in for upcoming NA players before WCS? The NA scene was already dying a long time before Blizzard stepped in and you can't expect them to fix everything for you.

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

August 08 2013 14:22 GMT

#187

On August 08 2013 23:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:

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On August 08 2013 23:15 turdburgler wrote:

On August 08 2013 23:11 MasterOfPuppets wrote:

On August 08 2013 23:05 turdburgler wrote:
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On August 08 2013 23:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:

On August 08 2013 23:04 Lysanias wrote:

On August 08 2013 22:58 XaCez wrote:
So, let's see what has changed in the NA scene:
IPL: Gone.
MLG: Gone.
NASL: Works with WCS.
WCS: Koreans.

Missed something?

There is SHOUTcraft NA ?

There was.

Whether or not there will be another is not something we know as of now.

if you look at the figures posted by TB after shoutcraft, the whole thing would be profitable if the prize money was actually in line with the quality of play. the people who competed in that event were massively over paid. and thats not being critical of TB, they needed to put on an event people would care about, and to catch interest for a new brand, but the difference between the cost and the income for that was about 50% of the prize pool.

Which is completely against the point, seeing as ShoutCraft NA was brought up in the context of the NA scene, not just as a tournament in general.

I mean don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but if "the people who competed in that event were massively over paid", as you put it, is our way of thinking, then there are two solutions:

a) same players, but paid less (which means less money going into the NA scene)
b) better players, a.k.a. no longer NA players, or at least a roster comprised only partially of NA players

Both of which would be detrimental, again, to the NA scene from XaCez' original post.

if you look at it as an event that goes side by side with more major competitions, and a salary from their team (even if its small. when you want to purely sustain the scene, which was TBs goal, the money you are looking at paying out is probably in the region of $2000 for first place, the actual pay out with $8000 iirc. so sure, if you want to sustain a competitive market purely on TBs charity, 8k seems reasonable. but if you see shoutcraft as something to be along side many other major leagues, and a team system with sponsorship of its own, you can cut the prize funding a lot, as long as the event is fairly regular, bimonthly or so.

Agreed, but currently there aren't "many other major leagues" in the NA scene (which again was the point XaCez was originally making). And I'd also have to ask: if SHOUTCraft became a regular thing, would it keep drawing the same attention every time? And if so, wouldn't that still be a lesser amount than the first SHOUTCraft NA did? (obviously because it came at the right time, had good hype going for it, and an interesting approach in presentation as far as interviews went)

but you cant use the argument that because every big US host has overspent themselves out of existence as a reason for more events to overspend. the fact is we need the events to sustain themselves before the players. the scene would be more healthy with events featuring part time players than a scene that somehow has 400 full time pros but nowhere to play.

the event organizers need to focus on running an event that will actually survive before worrying about how much they pay their winners.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

August 08 2013 14:22 GMT

#188

On August 08 2013 23:21 xyzz wrote:

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To me it seems like they're doing the community a favour by saying something that everybody's thinking.

Saving them money on plane tickets too. Plus then teams don't need to worry attending two weeks after Blizzcon world finals.

Pirfiktshon

United States1072 Posts

August 08 2013 14:23 GMT

#189

@robert1005 its true its really really sad to see games like LoL and Dota take the spot light. It wells me up with tears I hope sc2 never dies!!!!!!!!!!!

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

August 08 2013 14:26 GMT

#190

On August 08 2013 23:23 Pirfiktshon wrote:
@robert1005 its true its really really sad to see games like LoL and Dota take the spot light. It wells me up with tears I hope sc2 never dies!!!!!!!!!!!

OH no, someone is upset on Twitter. What will we do???

Seriously, who is playing in WCS tonight in NA? Novermber is a long way off.

Rumpus

United States136 Posts

August 08 2013 14:27 GMT

#191

On August 08 2013 23:22 Ventris wrote:

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So, what was there to play in for upcoming NA players before WCS? The NA scene was already dying a long time before Blizzard stepped in and you can't expect them to fix everything for you.

I am referring to the game and it's popularity\lasting appeal in general. Look at what Valve and Riot did and continue to do with their games. Granted their more casual and easier on the mind and muscle but Blizzard has limitless resources and should have a brain-trust capable of tackling these problems. In ~3 years they've got nothing done in comparison to what Valve has accomplished in 2 years. It sucks to see Blizzard just not give a shit.

RuiBarbO

United States1340 Posts

August 08 2013 14:27 GMT

#192

This is kind of devastating... I'd been planning my November around how to be in Ohio for MLG Columbus, and now I find out that SC2, the game I wanted to see, might not even be there

I'm kind of curious to know why, though.

Tobblish

Sweden6404 Posts

August 08 2013 14:27 GMT

#193

Edit: was totally off, it's time to panic.

AnomalySC2

United States2073 Posts

August 08 2013 14:29 GMT

#194

Pretty sure they will officially announce their plans to have an sc2 event at Columbus soon. Calling it.

stratmatt

United States913 Posts

August 08 2013 14:30 GMT

#195

Im a diehard cs fan at heart but starcraft 2 stole me away for a couple years. Looking back, I realize team games are much more fun to play and watch. Not only that and despite the starcraft scene being way more mature and respectful than the cs one, there is a ridiculous sense of entitlement in this scene. It is almost as if years of a sustainable 'proleague' in korea lead people to believe this game(series) is the KING of esports and should always be treated as such. The truth is that when this game was first released, it was a noob-friendly community with tons of new people trying the game out and community figures like day9 and husky etc putting in the hard work to build momentum and interest in the game. You dont see that anymore. Everyone who is any sort of 'community figure' is trying to cash out hard on the game and no longer seems as commited to the scene in general. Even this website is slowly trying to become a mainly dota website($$$$$) and I sometimes get the impression from staff and the overall feel here that they somewhat despise our community now like some girlfriend you dated for years and are having trouble breaking up with.

MLG, with a history of business-based decisions, doesnt have trouble breaking up with the starcraft 2 scene. They see where the money is and they unabashedly devote resources to it at another game's loss. It is how the world works, and our scene should recognize it now before its too late. For too long we failed to support our own tournaments the way we would support a korean tournament. We have failed to support our players the way we support korean players. And also, our PLAYERS have failed as well. With Stephano gone, who is there that really left to compete? Its just not that exciting anymore. Especially when the scene is fractures into 3 races. If your race doesnt do well in a tourny, you simply dont watch. Maybe sc2 is beyond 'saving' and will forever be treated as a 2nd-rate esport title for compeittive 'purists' only.

Tuczniak

1561 Posts

August 08 2013 14:31 GMT

#196

I never liked MLG, so I don't mind too much. Just little less sc2.

Deleted User 183001

2939 Posts

August 08 2013 14:32 GMT

#197

This is an outrage! MLG caters to an American audience, and no offense meant to this great nation, but being honest, too many Americans have shit taste in video games. This means MOBAs and really casual console FPSs dominate in popularity.

With that said, I only watched MLG for Starcraft, so I guess there's no reason to watch it now.

v_lm

France202 Posts

August 08 2013 14:32 GMT

#198

On the bright side, the french producer of Iron Squid just gave hints that there will be a third edition within 6 months

edgeOut

United States945 Posts

August 08 2013 14:32 GMT

#199

That looks pretty clear, there won't be SC2 in next MLG. If they are still wondering about whether to keep SC2 or not, they won't release such an unnecessary message to discourage SC2 fans for a possible SC2 tournament.