EPTOn July 09 2013 18:55 PanzerElite wrote:
I played both and the toss ball is far easier to control.
I played both and the toss ball is far easier to control.
Please tell me how good you are
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FnaticPink
Denmark324 Posts
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
On July 09 2013 18:42 bo1b wrote: Protoss still have to micro. Realistically the only thing that terran has to do that protoss don't is splitting, on the flip side blink stalker micro, storms, making sure colossus dont just die to vikings and still do damage. But thats just you only playing terran and not having an unbiased opinion. Heres a smiley face to convey some sort of smug superiority  Playing this game for 3 years. Reached masters with all races if that matters. Played protoss for 1.5 years, zerg 1 year, playing terran since hots. And you can hide your arrogancy behind your smileys all you want, doesnt make you smarter. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
There are probably a few reasons why Protoss seems to be the least whiniest (if the poll is any indication). One reason is probably that, at least at the lower levels, Protoss has less in terms of micro requirements etc than Terran, and is less demanding than Zerg, for example in terms of knowing when to drone and how much to drone etc. Also, at lower levels, Protoss is able to literally 1-A in the late game with the standard deathball and that can be quite cathartic - especially if having staved off the usual Zerg, and especially Terran shenanigans. All of this may mean that Protoss players, as a group, tend to be less vocal when it comes to whining - unless it comes to specific concerns such as the old 1-1-1 or mass Muta play in PvZ. The other reason may be that leading pro Protoss players through WOL and HOTS have generally not tended to whine. And, at least on TL, there are few prominent high level Protoss players who whine or who constantly crusade for their race in thread after thread after thread. Players of the latter kind are relatively common for Zerg and Terran, I think. And that has an effect on the rest of the Protoss player base who usually shut-up or mutter quietly among themselves (or join the Sad Zealot club!). | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
When I browse the battle.net forums, I often get the impression that terrans complain even more than the protoss. Maybe my perception is biased as I play zerg. | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
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dr.fahrenheit
Austria101 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On July 09 2013 19:28 xAdra wrote: For me, the Zergs who were whining during the height of infestor broodlord just left a larger scorch mark in my mind than anything else. The race wielding an extremely over powered composition with a God-tier unit should not be whining at all. And still we saw Protoss whining during times when Parting stated he had a 100% winrate vs zerg with Sentry/Immortal.  btw, how is this thread still open? It's a poll-thread, did they change the rules on that? | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
226 Protoss players – 284 people who play protoss “… …” 249 Terran players – 294 people who play terran “… …” :O the fiends are lying to us! | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 09 2013 09:58 MorroW wrote: protoss being lowest in almost all of them means protoss is imba btw :-) no it means top players : protoss: white-ra ... zerg: idra, delphi ... terran: cloud .... thats like how it often comes in my mind, protoss just not have enough whiners ^^ | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On July 09 2013 20:03 Greendotz wrote: 159 Zerg players – 236 people who play zerg with their opinion on the biggest whiners 226 Protoss players – 284 people who play protoss “… …” 249 Terran players – 294 people who play terran “… …” :O the fiends are lying to us! Lol I know right? | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
my ideas why: -worst start at WoL compared to P & T -IdrA (terrans have Avilo, but nobody listens to him..) -Z is the most susceptible to imbalances due to design (mostly defensive &reactive race) | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On July 09 2013 20:07 Drake wrote: no it means top players : protoss: white-ra ... zerg: idra, delphi ... terran: cloud .... thats like how it often comes in my mind, protoss just not have enough whiners ^^ Protoss has whiner bonjour ToD, he trumps all the terran whiners put together | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
Protoss players think protoss players complain the least. Terran players think terran players complain the least. Random players think random players complain the least. Zerg players think zerg players complain the most. Be more sincere guys! There can't be 3 type-of-players that complain the least. Either Protoss/terran/zerg or random complains the least, not protoss/terran/random all together. | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On July 09 2013 20:03 Greendotz wrote: 159 Zerg players – 236 people who play zerg with their opinion on the biggest whiners 226 Protoss players – 284 people who play protoss “… …” 249 Terran players – 294 people who play terran “… …” :O the fiends are lying to us! For one thing, without completely lying, some people would play all three races, probably with one as a main and then just counting there other two because they do play it sometimes... (lol "BUT AT WHAT LEVEL?" ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)) So they can vote under all races and then say one race in each of the votes if they like. >:/ For a lot more good checking of QQs per race (or just opinions on balance), The Hellbat balance patch thread is showing promising results without going through the entire "Designated Balance Discussion' thread. :p | ||
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
On July 09 2013 20:25 kaluro wrote: Seems like only the zerg is sincere here. Protoss players think protoss players complain the least. Terran players think terran players complain the least. Random players think random players complain the least. Zerg players think zerg players complain the most. Be more sincere guys! There can't be 3 type-of-players that complain the least. Either Protoss/terran/zerg or random complains the least, not protoss/terran/random all together. "be more sincere" wut, if the question is "who complains the most" i vote for the people who complain the most... not for terran just because more people voted for protoss than for terran ;p | ||
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DjayEl
France252 Posts
I guess it comes from Zerg being a reactive race, vulnerable to all-ins and cheesy play while still not winning more that 50% of its games (obviously) even when all the potential cheeses had been ruled out. It is especially true when playing on ladder where you can encounter about any possible strategy (especially in ZvP) and must be able counter it, while as a P (for exemple), you can only master I build and play it until masters, nobody is going to play you twice anyway unless you are some kind of GM. It is not something that is very important as soon as you get enough game knowledge, but for the casual player I noticed it does matter a lot. There is just something that is not "fun" with the Zerg gameplay at lower levels, and all my lower leaguer Zerg buddies had switched race ever since or dropped playing SC2. The race just doesnt feel powerful or effective unless you reach a pretty decent level. Hence the whine. Imho it is quite a downside for the whole game because it may draw new players away from the ladder. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 09 2013 20:09 Tuczniak wrote: What's the point of this thread? Everyone knew it was zerg. Any conlusions...? my ideas why: -worst start at WoL compared to P & T -IdrA (terrans have Avilo, but nobody listens to him..) -Z is the most susceptible to imbalances due to design (mostly defensive &reactive race) The zerg race is designed to have some difficulties indeed. I recently lost a game because I made a round of drones shortly when the opponent attacked for the time. If I had scouted this, I could have made lings and crush him. But zerg of course has its advantages. The quick remax, the fast tech switch, the vision-granting creep tumors, all those things make zerg of course powerful. When I lose, I know it was my fault. But my race offers any tool I need. | ||
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[]Phase[]
Belgium927 Posts
With HotS, zerg has, in my eyes, gained a lot of new opportunities with units such as the viper, and there is no reason to complain anymore - not for me anyways. I think if there was one race I would rage about when losing, it'd had to be protoss, just due to the -what feels to me- large amounts of all-ins I get thrown at me on the ladder. (im diamond, meaning my macro fails every once in awhile, and thus leaving me very vulnerable to all-ins when I get an 'unlucky' supplyblock or something like that). So yes, in the first years of WoL I would agree that the majority of complaints came from zerg, but at this moment I do not feel that way, or atleast I dont feel like the game is unfair towards my race right now. Sure, hellbats are strong, but I can deal with them if I just get everything at the right time. If you are going to watch a stream of, lets say idra, then yeah, you might get the feeling that zerg are the biggest whiners out there. But idra does not represent the opinion of the entire race obviously. Conclusion : Right now, I don't believe you can say a thing like 'x race complains the most'. All races have good opportunities, and I am sure a rational player realises that. I also think the early WoL period should NOT be representative for the entire lifespan of sc2. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On July 09 2013 20:50 DjayEl wrote: Zerg is the most frustrating race to play when you don't play at pro level. It's not weaker by any means or whatever, it is just more frustrating when you lose because when you do, it "feels" like you cannot do anything about it. As a zerg player I cannot agree. I am frustrated after a loss because I know I could have done something to prevent it. But I didn't. On July 09 2013 20:50 DjayEl wrote: To react properly, one must not necessarily 'counter' any specific strategies. In my experience (gold league) one needs a general idea about the opponent's tech path and a scout at the front to see him moving out; versus terran overlords at the map borders are good to detect incoming drops.I guess it comes from Zerg being a reactive race, vulnerable to all-ins and cheesy play while still not winning more that 50% of its games (obviously) even when all the potential cheeses had been ruled out. It is especially true when playing on ladder where you can encounter about any possible strategy (especially in ZvP) and must be able counter it, while as a P (for exemple), you can only master I build and play it until masters, nobody is going to play you twice anyway unless you are some kind of GM. I think that zerg can deal with cheese quite well if played properly. The queen is a great unit to defend with and spines rock anyway. The speed advantage on creep helps as well. On July 09 2013 20:50 DjayEl wrote:It is not something that is very important as soon as you get enough game knowledge, but for the casual player I noticed it does matter a lot. There is just something that is not "fun" with the Zerg gameplay at lower levels, and all my lower leaguer Zerg buddies had switched race ever since or dropped playing SC2. The race just doesnt feel powerful or effective unless you reach a pretty decent level. Hence the whine. They were not worthy ... I know, some new players dreamed of playing the swarm race, they wanted to mass produce units and win, without thinking about that it must be a double-edged sword to make the race balanced.Imho it is quite a downside for the whole game because it may draw new players away from the ladder. | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
"You are not supposed to play like this" is a (non-sensical) special Zerg whine that other races rarely utter. | ||
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