EPTCry Me a River - Balance Poll - Page 6
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parake
China2 Posts
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T0MORR0W
United States101 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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pmp10
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We mostly have Idra to thank for that. And Blizzard as it has been proven to be working. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
Quick, somebody figure out a way to count the posts on TL from certain races that were crying. Only numbers can tell the true tale! | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
Overall, on forums, I would say zerg. Overall, from my ladder experiences (complaints in the game), protosses. I whine about ZvZ more than most of my opponents do, regardless of whether I win or lose. ;D In chat channels in SC2, for me, again, I've seen the most protoss QQ. From friends, terran, but I just seem to make a lot of terran friends, so I'm going to suppose that's playing a large part. ;P Not what OP cares about hearing but + Show Spoiler + in my opinion, Zerg had a good long period of having good reason to complain (especially vs Protoss before the infestor buff). Terran had good cause to complain after the Queen buff, though I still think the game is better with queens having 5 range and if zerg are/were OP vs terran, it needed to be sorted out WITH 5 range queens. I'm not saying toss haven't had good reasons either, but I feel they were probably the two biggest times. Either zerg or toss had good reason in the early days of Terran dominance though (before all the balance patches). I personally voted protoss as the sum my experiences/observations listed above. EDIT: On July 09 2013 14:30 Vindicare605 wrote: That's because even during the era of BL/Infestor Zergs were still the most vocal when it came to balance whining. As hard as that is to believe. Cannot disagree with this more!! >__< On July 09 2013 16:02 TheRabidDeer wrote: Quick, somebody figure out a way to count the posts on TL from certain races that were crying. Only numbers can tell the true tale! That might actually be the OP's intention, to check what people think and then measure the amount of QQ that comes in this thread from people from each race. Probably not, but it's possible. Reach page 10+ and then start counting? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I voted like the majority on the polls. I am a zerg user myself and if there is a reason for why Zerg tend to be the most whiny bitches, then I have to blame it on the early maps we had to play on. If we had the same mappool that we now have 3 years ago, things would have been different. I think. + Show Spoiler + That and Protoss Deathballs on Shakuras :D | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On July 09 2013 15:31 WolfintheSheep wrote: You're obviously blocking out the months where every single thread, regardless of topic, would always loop around to Queens or BL/Infestor. It was impossible to have any kind of SC2 conversation without it ending in whine about Zerg OP, or how some player was a Patchzerg...and the discussion got there it never, ever left. ya, I'm Terran and these comments of zerg being the most vocal even in periods of such utter dominance as the BL/Infestor era is definitely misleading  I mean yeah there were some of course, but that is the case with every race.But yeh the forums were absolutely flooded with Patchzerg, borelord/winfestor ..Ryung's IMBAIMBAIMBA etc, I mean everyone hated it, and with good reason. Not only was it imba as fuck but it was also incredibly boring to watch as well  I can't see how they could whine about terran in those days, but there probably were a number of zergs that raged over the "soul train" and other assorted Protoss gimmicks, they were just drowned out by everyone else who loved seeing zerg lose in any way possible | ||
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Daswollvieh
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Brian333
657 Posts
On July 09 2013 16:18 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Cannot disagree with this more!! >__< That period of time also had overlap with the Soul Train push and if you don't think Zergs were endlessly complaining after every single time it was used, win or loss, you weren't paying attention. And, Zergs were on full offensive defending themselves which is in its own way balance whine. The only way to not whine about balance is to not talk at all, not to whine that they aren't OP and that the whiners are crybabies that need to learn and adapt with out the help of patches because apparently Zergs did just that (a blatant lie). | ||
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dr.fahrenheit
Austria101 Posts
On July 09 2013 14:55 Ordained wrote: A player of any race can go through and vote in any of these. Hardly conclusive evidence. Yeah the last four polls I edited in are flawed in that way, but I think the first one has the potential to paint a somewhat representative picture if the the second one comes close to depicting the actual overall race distribution. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12062 Posts
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
I wish I had some openings like terran players. 2 reapers, 6 hellions, deny creeps, snipe drones and queens, follow it up with drops. Terran micro sure ain't easy, but it's not like I have many harass options besides mutalisk. When mutalisk come out though, I'm usually on the back foot and when I can spare a second the poke into the base, the turrets are up, and then terran are just safe until I get 20 mutas. You know how much static defense Zerg needs to get to defend drops and zealot runbys? It's absurd, and even if protoss wastes 10 zealots into spines it's never a huge deal. Again, not imbalanced, but Zerg doesn't have any reliable micro strategies. Just timings, all relatively all in (as in a very big commitment). And then when you get to tier 3, it's kill-your-opponent-as-fast-you-can because if they stabalize on multiple bases you can kiss your chances goodbye. Against terran Ultras became terrible rather quickly, and broodlords...well let's just say by the time I get to 1 of my opponents bases I have none left, and then they have a few ravens. What am I supposed to do, spend 3 minutes splitting my broodlords every time I get to a base?. Then there is protoss...Well they have a bunch of late game options, Storm collosus, tempest, voidray, whatever it rapes anything I have if they max out on it. Why couldn't I have a viable options? The game isn't imbalanced but some aspects just really don't work for Zerg and were stuck doing the things that work over and over again. Broodlord infestor was really strong in WoL but it was also the only reliable strategy, which is unfortunate. I don't mean to whine, just trying to make people understand why it's easy as a Zerg player to say 'jesus fuck this is retarded.' | ||
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Penev
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phipsL
Germany189 Posts
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Vanimar
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
On July 09 2013 10:09 iMrising wrote: I play protoss and even before the gl hf people tend to rant about how OP protoss is. So then I purposely 2 base all-in them and then they rage even more. smh I haven't heard much from terran players either, or protoss oh believe me i only rage about protoss, only in TvP because your micro is a joke compared to splits, emps, and viking focusfiring but thats more design of a race rather than balance. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On July 09 2013 18:27 Corsica wrote: oh believe me i only rage about protoss, only in TvP because your micro is a joke compared to splits, emps, and viking focusfiring but thats more design of a race rather than balance.Protoss still have to micro. Realistically the only thing that terran has to do that protoss don't is splitting, on the flip side blink stalker micro, storms, making sure colossus dont just die to vikings and still do damage. But thats just you only playing terran and not having an unbiased opinion. Heres a smiley face to convey some sort of smug superiority | ||
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PanzerElite
540 Posts
On July 09 2013 18:42 bo1b wrote: Protoss still have to micro. Realistically the only thing that terran has to do that protoss don't is splitting, on the flip side blink stalker micro, storms, making sure colossus dont just die to vikings and still do damage. But thats just you only playing terran and not having an unbiased opinion. Heres a smiley face to convey some sort of smug superiority I played both and the toss ball is far easier to control. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On July 09 2013 18:55 PanzerElite wrote: I played both and the toss ball is far easier to control. I agree but listing a whole heap of things that both races do and ignoring the other side is somewhat of a poor argument. | ||
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